Battle Mafia: Game Over

populartajo · Post Post #1500 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:06 am

YES CLAIM PLEASE MAEMUKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII /DIES

Maemuki · Post Post #1501 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:10 am

K. I'm the cop. Results are useless, but I know that I'm either naive or sane. Which means I only have one result, of Vi on early early D3. Before she claimed I think, I don't recall this very well. Which is why I said that I didn't want to claim yesterday. I wanted to be useful, for once. >.<

I can also investigate somebody today. Suggestions?

Yes, I work at day.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1502 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:07 am

Maemuki wrote:Wait, a mafia member that can only roleblock? How does that make sense? Correct me if I'm wrong - aren't all members of the mafia supposed to be able to kill?

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Huh? If there's a mafia left, they probably can kill, yes. I'm not sure why they haven't managed to do so the last two nights. But a "cult roleblocker" would be a really odd role, and I doubt any town roleblocker would block Vi (although if you did, you'd better claim RIGHT NOW, or you will never be believed.) So, yeah, we're most likely dealing with a mafia roleblocker here.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1503 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:08 am

Crazy wrote:As for me, I'd prefer that Yos was just vigged, rather than go through this roleblocking speculation.

You paying attention? I'm already dead. I'm trying to figure out what's going on so the town will be able to evaluate Vi's alignment after I'm gone.

Crazy · Post Post #1504 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:34 am

Yos wrote:You paying attention? I'm already dead. I'm trying to figure out what's going on so the town will be able to evaluate Vi's alignment after I'm gone.

I wasn't sure if Benmage had sent in the kill already or not.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1505 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:29 am

Crazy wrote:
Yos wrote:You paying attention? I'm already dead. I'm trying to figure out what's going on so the town will be able to evaluate Vi's alignment after I'm gone.
I wasn't sure if Benmage had sent in the kill already or not.

Well, whatever. If not, I would appreciate it if we could at least wait until battle mage gets back to me first, so when I die and flip town you guys at least know if we're dealing with a mafia roleblocker or a mod error here.

Vi · Post Post #1506 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:35 pm

Yosarian2 1503 wrote:
Crazy wrote:As for me, I'd prefer that Yos was just vigged, rather than go through this roleblocking speculation.
You paying attention? I'm already dead. I'm trying to figure out what's going on
so the town will be able to evaluate Vi's alignment after I'm gone.

This is news.

Bonus question for Maemuki: What is your role title?

Vi · Post Post #1507 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:39 pm

Further bonus question for Maemuki: What is your post restriction?

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1508 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:15 pm

Vi wrote:
Yosarian2 1503 wrote:
Crazy wrote:As for me, I'd prefer that Yos was just vigged, rather than go through this roleblocking speculation.
You paying attention? I'm already dead. I'm trying to figure out what's going on
so the town will be able to evaluate Vi's alignment after I'm gone.
This is news.

What's news?

Vi · Post Post #1509 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:21 pm

Yosarian2 1508 wrote:
Vi wrote:
Yosarian2 1503 wrote:
Crazy wrote:As for me, I'd prefer that Yos was just vigged, rather than go through this roleblocking speculation.
You paying attention? I'm already dead. I'm trying to figure out what's going on
so the town will be able to evaluate Vi's alignment after I'm gone.
This is news.
What's news?

Suspicion of my alignment, considering the circumstances.

I double-checked my own post restriction. I fulfilled it through Day 3 in spite of the Lie Detector lunacy. So if there's a mistake here, it's not on my end.
I don't think the outside-factor defense is plausible, but if you flip Town and there is no error, I'm going to be... concerned.

I'm really interested in what tajo has going on with Prozac.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1510 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:32 pm

Vi wrote:
Yosarian2 1508 wrote:
Vi wrote:
Yosarian2 1503 wrote:
Crazy wrote:As for me, I'd prefer that Yos was just vigged, rather than go through this roleblocking speculation.
You paying attention? I'm already dead. I'm trying to figure out what's going on
so the town will be able to evaluate Vi's alignment after I'm gone.
This is news.
What's news?
Suspicion of my alignment, considering the circumstances.

I certainly expect the town to re-evaluate your claim after I flip town, yeah. Wouldn't you?

Actually, if you notice, I was arguing that the most likely situation here is that you were roleblocked or re-directed or something, not that you are lying. (On that note, if someone else did get a random ability last night, speak up now, or you will not be believed later). But, yes, I do expect the town to have that discussion.

I don't think the outside-factor defense is plausible, but if you flip Town and there is no error, I'm going to be... concerned.

Concerned how?

Vi · Post Post #1511 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:44 pm

Yosarian2 1510 wrote:
Vi wrote:
Yosarian2 1508 wrote:
Vi wrote:
Yosarian2 1503 wrote:
Crazy wrote:As for me, I'd prefer that Yos was just vigged, rather than go through this roleblocking speculation.
You paying attention? I'm already dead. I'm trying to figure out what's going on
so the town will be able to evaluate Vi's alignment after I'm gone.
This is news.
What's news?
Suspicion of my alignment, considering the circumstances.
I certainly expect the town to re-evaluate your claim after I flip town, yeah. Wouldn't you?

It would be a short argument, as deliberately setting you up to die right now (as a scum version of my role) would be suicidal and a one-shot trick at best.
Especially considering there's a dayvig in front of me (DIFOM, a Mafia predicament that actually needs to occur more often).

Yos2 1510 wrote:
I don't think the outside-factor defense is plausible, but if you flip Town and there is no error, I'm going to be... concerned.
Concerned how?

...actually, looking at the setup numbers again there should probably be one more Mafioso out there, so it's plausible that the kill was foregone in favor of a Roleblock. But the M. Jailer is already dead, so I don't think there would be another Roleblocker. Cultists usually lose their abilities upon recruitment. So... I'm not sure what would be left if there's no error and you're not scum.

DTMaster · Post Post #1512 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:21 pm

@Mae
1487: I recall from newbie mafia games that the mafia RBer can kill or RB if he is alone. Normally though he/she can't do both.

1501: List your results anyways as well. I don't quite understand what you mean by useless results, and a result in Vi when you speculate you either are naive are sane (though I have an idea).

@Yos
1502: A cult-anything is possible isn't it? If a cult recruited a town PR wouldn't they become cult-PR?

Plus did Vi ever verify that she was RB. I see you saying that she was which is why you were never received powers.

@Vi
Verify this, it's clear you target Yos with your attack on him. As well I would recommend a BM PM if this concerns your power and post restriction.

Vi · Post Post #1513 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:38 pm

DTMaster 1512 wrote:1502: A cult-anything is possible isn't it? If a cult recruited a town PR wouldn't they become cult-PR?

Sometimes. In bastard games, more often than not :v

DTMaster 1512 wrote:Plus did Vi ever verify that she was RB. I see you saying that she was which is why you were never received powers.

@Vi
Verify this, it's clear you target Yos with your attack on him. As well I would recommend a BM PM if this concerns your power and post restriction.

*changes your language settings to English* Ask me those again?

DTMaster · Post Post #1514 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:43 pm

Espanol et tu Vi?

Er. Did you say you got role blocked last night? If you did please verify this or PM your role concerns to double check something. Yos is implanting the idea in my head with this but I can't remember when you said this.

Vi · Post Post #1515 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:51 pm

I received no notification regarding whether my ability did anything; I never have.
Most of the time noninvestigative roles are not told if they are Roleblocked, so.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1516 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:36 pm

Vi wrote:It would be a short argument, as deliberately setting you up to die right now (as a scum version of my role) would be suicidal and a one-shot trick at best.

So, it would be suicidal, and you don't expect to be suspected much for it? Don't those thoughts contradict each other?

For the record, I do think Vi is probably town here, despite this. I can't think of any other explanation for Tajo's sudden ability to end the day yesterday that makes a lot of sense, which he demonstrated.

Vi, could you explain how your post restriction works, exactly?

Yos2 1510 wrote:
I don't think the outside-factor defense is plausible, but if you flip Town and there is no error, I'm going to be... concerned.
Concerned how?
...actually, looking at the setup numbers again there should probably be one more Mafioso out there, so it's plausible that the kill was foregone in favor of a Roleblock. But the M. Jailer is already dead, so I don't think there would be another Roleblocker. Cultists usually lose their abilities upon recruitment. So... I'm not sure what would be left if there's no error and you're not scum.

So, assume I flip town (which I will, probably very shortly.) What is your conclusion going to be?

Vi · Post Post #1517 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:42 pm

Yosarian2 1516 wrote:
Vi wrote:It would be a short argument, as deliberately setting you up to die right now (as a scum version of my role) would be suicidal and a one-shot trick at best.
So, it would be suicidal, and you don't expect to be suspected much for it? Don't those thoughts contradict each other?

In my universe it makes

perfect

sense.

Yos2 1516 wrote:Vi, could you explain how your post restriction works, exactly?

I need to post the word "bonus" at least once in every five pages. And I have without fail; check for yourself if you like.
Hence my frustration at Prozac adding an extra 13 or so pages to the end of the Day for no apparent reason.

Yos2 1516 wrote:
Yos2 1510 wrote:
I don't think the outside-factor defense is plausible, but if you flip Town and there is no error, I'm going to be... concerned.
Concerned how?
...actually, looking at the setup numbers again there should probably be one more Mafioso out there, so it's plausible that the kill was foregone in favor of a Roleblock. But the M. Jailer is already dead, so I don't think there would be another Roleblocker. Cultists usually lose their abilities upon recruitment. So... I'm not sure what would be left if there's no error and you're not scum.
So, assume I flip town (which I will, probably very shortly.) What is your conclusion going to be?

Honestly I would rather wait to see what actually happens before considering the possibilities; because if there's an error that answers everything, and if there isn't, I've already explained that I'm at a loss.

populartajo · Post Post #1518 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:05 pm

Yosarian2 wrote:
Crazy wrote:As for me, I'd prefer that Yos was just vigged, rather than go through this roleblocking speculation.
You paying attention? I'm already dead. I'm trying to figure out what's going on so the town will be able to evaluate Vi's alignment after I'm gone.

lol, why so sure you are dead yosa?

Maemuki · Post Post #1519 (ISO) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:28 pm

Vi wrote:Bonus question for Maemuki: What is your role title?

Cop.
Wasn't it obvious?

Also, IH submitted nothing on D1, and I wasn't paying much attention to this D2. That's why, no results = useless. That's why I didn't list them on the first place.

Further bonus question for Maemuki: What is your post restriction?

I don't have one. >.< *double checks* No, I don't have one. Why?

1487: I recall from newbie mafia games that the mafia RBer can kill or RB if he is alone. Normally though he/she can't do both.

Yes, they can do both if the goon is dead. I checked.
But that only applies to Newbie Games, right?

Vi · Post Post #1520 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:29 am

Maemuki 1519 wrote:
Further bonus question for Maemuki: What is your post restriction?
I don't have one. >.< *double checks* No, I don't have one. Why?

Vi - Town power role - has post restriction
charter - Town power role - has post restriction
Benmage - Town(?) power role - has post restriction
vollkan - Town power role - unknown
SpyreX - not a Town power role - does not have post restriction
You - ______ - does not have post restriction

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #1521 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:20 am

Mae, have you claimed fully?...meaning no other strange details about your role that are different than a normal cop?

how do you know your results are useless?

who have you targetted thus far?

DTM asked you some questions, why did you answer VI's but not his?

populartajo · Post Post #1522 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:48 am

Vi wrote:
Maemuki 1519 wrote:
Further bonus question for Maemuki: What is your post restriction?
I don't have one. >.< *double checks* No, I don't have one. Why?
Vi - Town power role - has post restriction
charter - Town power role - has post restriction
Benmage - Town(?) power role - has post restriction
vollkan - Town power role - unknown
SpyreX - not a Town power role - does not have post restriction
You - ______ - does not have post restriction

Nyeh, doesnt work like that.

BloodCovenent · Post Post #1523 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:54 am

Maemuki wrote:K. I'm the cop. Results are useless, but
I know that I'm either naive or sane.
Which means
I only have one result, of Vi
on early early D3. Before she claimed I think, I don't recall this very well. Which is why I said that I didn't want to claim yesterday. I wanted to be useful, for once. >.<

I can also investigate somebody today. Suggestions?

Yes, I work at day.

how does Bold 1, guarantee bold 2? wouldn't you have more than 1 result?

Maemuki · Post Post #1524 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:58 am

Mae, have you claimed fully?...meaning no other strange details about your role that are different than a normal cop?

Yes, I'm not a fairy that sparkles and bakes cookies. (That would be weird.)

DTM asked you some questions, why did you answer VI's but not his?

I SENSE DAYKILL!
Also, what questions?
Oh these?

1487: I recall from newbie mafia games that the mafia RBer can kill or RB if he is alone. Normally though he/she can't do both.

We're not on a newbie, I was just wondering why he/she wouldn't kill if he/she had the opputurnity, though.

1501: List your results anyways as well. I don't quite understand what you mean by useless results, and a result in Vi when you speculate you either are naive are sane (though I have an idea).

No one D1/D2 (gah, if only I had seen if I had entered a subject.), Vi D3 (innocent, just hours before she claimed), nobody (yet) today.
I really dislike the fact that the stupid subject was left empty on D2. *headdesks*

how do you know your results are useless?

Because they don't exist. Duh.

who have you targetted thus far?

Above.

how does Bold 1, guarantee bold 2? wouldn't you have more than 1 result?

*le sigh*
See above. Isn't Vi confirmed town? Or am I wrong and I'm wrongly speculating?