Border of Touhou and Mafia ~ Game Over!

[The Incredible Hulk]

Hulk ask too many question, Xylthixlm hide?

[Xylthixlm]

Post 275, Xylthixlm play innocent on double vote. Hulk no like.

Now that's just stupid. Are you suggesting I knew that Pesco had a double vote?

Hulk think Xylthixlm try find reason to avoid confirmed townie be in game.

Looks to Hulk that Xylthixlm pretend believe something else.

Why, Hulk wrong?

Let's see if I understand this. You think that the fact that I didn't immediately jump to the incorrect conclusion that Pesco was a double voter, makes me scummy?

[Xylthixlm]

List of what?

List of policy lynches that Xylthixlm can choose from.

Hulk start for Xylthixlm.

(1) Lurker
(2) Lie
(3) zwet

What more?

Actually there's just one:

(1) Antitown play (including lurking, lying, being zwet, etc., etc.)

[Pesco47]

For your purposes of reading Zak, he should register as neutral. Essentially, I think he gave me the double vote because we're familiar with each other. From his perspective, it's because he can get a better read on me than he can on you guys.

I'm quite happy with my vote on Xyl. I'd like to think he understood what I meant by cheering from the stadium and the lounge. Xyl has been pretty scummy in adamantly pushing for policy lynches only (it is worse in the current game state as it is not active scumhunting) and the defensiveness at being questioned. If you aren't scum, this is pretty anti-town play coming from a person of his level.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm quite happy with my vote on Xyl. I'd like to think he understood what I meant by cheering from the stadium and the lounge. Xyl has been pretty scummy in adamantly pushing for policy lynches only (it is worse in the current game state as it is not active scumhunting) and the defensiveness at being questioned. If you aren't scum, this is pretty anti-town play coming from a person of his level.

I see a "too defensive" fallacy in there, as well as a "burden of experience" fallacy. And why you are attacking me for "not active scumhunting" rather than one of the many people who has done less active scumhunting than I have?

[Pesco47]

Because I expect you to do better than play the same as zwet is doing.

[Xylthixlm]

Because I expect you to do better than play the same as zwet is doing.

So do you actually believe I wouldn't play this way as town, or are you just assuming that based on reputation?

[Pesco47]

All I know is that you're an established player and nobody policy vigs you, so you must have a standard of being competent. If you can't deliver the goods, there's no reason for me to think you are town given the facts.

For contrast with zwet, he's delivered what's expected of him so it's null read there.

[Xylthixlm]

All I know is that you're an established player and nobody policy vigs you, so you must have a standard of being competent. If you can't deliver the goods, there's no reason for me to think you are town given the facts.

For contrast with zwet, he's delivered what's expected of him so it's null read there.

Your double standard here has serious flaws.

[Xylthixlm]

Pesco, do me a favor: Filter to just my posts, scroll down to post 20 or so, and start reading. Then come back and explain why you think I'm not scumhunting.

[Mufasa]

Pesco what do you mean I've seen zwet act differently than this before. I think Zwet isn't playing to his town like play this time at all.

unvote vote Zwet

Tubby I still expect you to post an analysis very soon or I will be inclined to lynching you based on your poor discussion of filling in for your predecessor.

[Kmd4390]

Hulk, your case on Xyl is basically the same as one of my points against you except that you ignore Xyl's actual scumhunting.

[zwetschenwasser]

Pesco what do you mean I've seen zwet act differently than this before. I think Zwet isn't playing to his town like play this time at all.

unvote vote Zwet

Tubby I still expect you to post an analysis very soon or I will be inclined to lynching you based on your poor discussion of filling in for your predecessor.

Please elaborate, good sir.

[Mufasa]

I've seen you much more active then this zwet, must just be a busy time eh?

[zwetschenwasser]

it's called college applications.

[SpyreX]

Here's a general question for Pesco:

What's the difference between Xyl's play and mine this game?

Still would love anything resembling a reason for me being scum from zwet.

My hateometer is in the red this game thus far.

[Zakeri]

okay, so instead of summerizing what the case against me was, people threw suspicion on me for "misrepresenting" and telling me to go back and read. You guys are soooooo friendly! :roll:

Actually there's just one:

(1) Antitown play (including lurking, lying, being zwet, etc., etc.)

You do realize what you basically said in this was "I just policy lynch."
the point Hulk is trying to make is that you're ignoring an important factor in your reasoning to vote: "Pro-Scum" Play.

Filter to just my posts, scroll down to post 20 or so, and start reading. Then come back and explain why you think I'm not scumhunting.

Wait, you can filter out other user's posts in a thread?
Holy crap, Iso reads are now a thousand times easier.

Zwet -
Every post contains only one of the following, mutually exclusive except for when he votes Hulk.
A Vote.
A single reason to Vote.
A plea not to vote him.
All in all, he makes the case for most legitimate policy lynch in my mind. It's really a shame that I don't think we can afford another policy lynch.

Mufasa -
misses day one. Avoids voting day two. Says he could easily vote to lynch Pesco but neither provides reasoning nor an actual vote.
day three main targets Vaya, who is inactive and being replaced, and Zwet, typical mislynch material assuming he's town. Switches to Zwet once Vaya is replaced.

What's your read on Pesco now? Would you still be willing to Off him? I'm curious since you never mentioned him again.

Plum - Vote for Deathnote. Then a short rant on Deathnote's behavior. Then a large wall of text exposing Mipe's lie for everything it is. Then activity drops off a cliff. She was on both wagons, though I'm not certain that says a whole lot, and her activity is at this point just as bad as Vaya's.

KMD - I found you case on me you mentioned was the one you made on day two. My defense against that case hasn't changed - Zwet needs to be removed, but I'm not sure we should risk the loss of more townie barrier. I visit this site once every other day usually, since I never expect games on here to move faster than that anyway, so not posting day one was just me being caught off guard.

Elmo - same as plum mostly. Votes himself day one, basic anti-town but everyone's ignored it for some reason. followed by throw away one-liners, followed by a wall of text on Mipe's behavior day 2. Mipe gave way too much potential for Scum to give themselves a townie look, so Plum and Elmo are both more suspicious to me because of the drastic change in the size of their posts. Also noted is that neither of them actually voted for Mipe. Though to Elmo's credit, he was against a quicklynch that day.

I'm getting tired again. I'll continue next time.

[Pesco47]

What's the difference between Xyl's play and mine this game?

Off the top of my head, you're scumhunting a lot more actively than Xyl is. Cheering from the stadium and cheering from the lounge, you figured that out on your own.

[Xylthixlm]

the point Hulk is trying to make is that you're ignoring an important factor in your reasoning to vote: "Pro-Scum" Play.

Once we reach the point where everyone is either playing pro-town or pretending to be playing pro-town, then I will vote based on scumhunting. Until then I'll scumhunt but keep my vote on the anti-town players.

[Xylthixlm]

What's the difference between Xyl's play and mine this game?

Off the top of my head, you're scumhunting a lot more actively than Xyl is. Cheering from the stadium and cheering from the lounge, you figured that out on your own.

Do an iso read on both of us and answer that again.

[zwetschenwasser]

Unvote; Vote: Mufasa

He has yet to provide a real reason for his suspicions on me.

[The Incredible Hulk]

zwet demand Mufasa provide reason.

Only reason zwet provide is "because."

Makes Hulk

VERY

angry.

[Mufasa]

OMGUS noted Zwet, Pesco still gives me a bad taste, I find him very scummy. but Zwet needs to go for his uselessness.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote; Vote: Mufasa

He has yet to provide a real reason for his suspicions on me.

"Hey, kettle?"
"Yes pot?"

[Xylthixlm]

So, how long are we going to let tubby coast without posting?