Mini 857 Disney Movie Mafia 2 - The Classics (Roll Credits)

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

Starbuck (5) - MonkeyMan576, Gorrad, StrangerCoug, Jazzmyn, Neopi
Neopi (3) - Starbuck, semioldguy, chamber
Gorrad (2) - kmd4390, Brandi

Not Voting (2) - Crazy, YankCane151

[Crazy]

@Neopi - Why didn't you mention mine and Starbuck's so-called "scumslips?" That appears to be the biggest reason that most other people are voting Starbuck. What do you think of it?

[StrangerCoug]

And all of this information helps me in this particular game how? I find it easier and more effective to scumhunt than to concentrate on claims and potentially get caught in a mod-WIFOM game. If you want to give me a lesson on Good Claims and Bad Claims 101, you can, but I'd rather it be in Mafia Discussion, and it's probably safest to do that when the game is over.

Scum-hunting is used mainly to determine who we want to claim. The claim will result in a lynch (if the claim sucks), a refusal to lynch (if the claim is good), or more scum-hunting (if it's neither). If we're going to pick "more scum-hunting" every time, regardless of what the claim is, then there's really no point in claiming.

OK, I can see where you are coming from here.

[Starbuck]

Neopi, you are tunneling on me with just a few specific points about other people's cases on me. You have brought nothing new to the table, other than the fact that you seem to not care to make your own case.

What about everything else that's happened in the thread? I highly suggest that you go through the thread (while using Notepad to arrange your thoughts) and come up with some type of analysis.

[Gorrad]

Neopi, what's your opinion on my RVS behavior, and the resultant anti-Gorrad sentiments?

[Kmd4390]

the resultant anti-Gorrad sentiments?

I didn't get that impression from anyone other than Brandi and myself.

[Gorrad]

the resultant anti-Gorrad sentiments?

I didn't get that impression from anyone other than Brandi and myself.

I didn't say anyone but y'all had them.

[Neopi]

Opinion: the rvs is just that RANDOM!
does it matter wheat someone does in it?
Thus i dont think your scummy

[Neopi]

scratch that, your random vote was perfectly right, but i still dont see you as scummy, someone voted you for not doing something that dosent matter so your all good for voting them back beacause why is not voting scummy?

[Gorrad]

I was right for voting them? Does that mean you believe one or more people were scummy then? If so, who?

[Neopi]

FOS:brandi, kmd
for voting gorrad for not rving

minor FOS:crazy for Fosing gorrad earlier

[Starbuck]

Neopi, why such a staunch defense of Gorrad?

[StrangerCoug]

FOS:brandi, kmd
for voting gorrad for not rving

This rubs me the wrong way. Granted, I don't think Gorrad not random voting warrants a vote, but you could be more productive with that FoS.

[Crazy]

Ugh, I'd swear SC and Starbuck were scum together if I didn't know better.

(And I never FoSed Gorrad, btw.)

[Neopi]

oops

count that out then

[Jazzmyn]

I've re-read the entire game and I am not getting very strong reads on very many players yet.

That said, I don't see Crazy's slip being a scumslip outing Starbuck as his scumpartner. It's too blatant and he's too experienced a player to make a mistake that would out himself and his scumpartner like that. I buy his explanation that he meant to write "claim" and instead wrote "fakeclaim".

Neopi definitely looks like either newb town or newb scum. Can't tell which yet, but I really dislike it when a replacement comes in and makes next to no comments on the game or players, and just adds a vote to the biggest wagon. One of the best things about replacements coming into a game is that everyone gets the benefit of a new perspective from someone who reads everything at once, rather than having been involved from the beginning, and it is often very useful to see what the game looks like through a new pair of eyes. When a replacement comes in and just tosses a vote out without really explaining it, and without giving any indication that they have even read the game, it sets off alarm bells. FoS: Neopi.

I'm still not convinced that Starbuck isn't scum who intended to shut down the day with her self-vote when she thought she was at L-1.

I still get a town-leaning read on Monkey, a scum-leaning read on Chamber, and a neutral-scum read on Gorrad.

Neutral on everyone else, Brandi, Crazy, Kmd, Semioldguy, StrangerCougar, and YankCane.

Regards,
Jazz

[YankCane151]

i was mostly focusing on who the main cases were against so eh

This reeks of a scummy scent. Seems like a subtle way to say bandwagoning.

Vote: Neopi

[Brandi]

Neopi, you do realize I did not vote Gorrad for not random voting? It was because of his later (and continued) scummy behavior?

It looks like you haven't even TRIED to read any this game and just skimmed through.

Your actions so far have been incredibly scummy and if you are lynched and end up being town... actually regardless of what you end up being, you might want to try some newbie games.

Also, Jazz made a good point in one of her previous posts.

@Starbuck, why did you say that you'd only ever self vote if you were scum, and yet you ended up self-voting? Do you have any explanation for this? You haven't actually responded to this, you just talked about her lurking, as if you were trying to take attention off of her statement.

[MonkeyMan576]

Even though I think Starbuck is scum, she is potentially more helpful than Neopi this game...I don't like the wagoning and lack of reasoning...

Unvote:
Vote: Neopi

[Starbuck]

@Starbuck, why did you say that you'd only ever self vote if you were scum, and yet you ended up self-voting? Do you have any explanation for this? You haven't actually responded to this, you just talked about her lurking, as if you were trying to take attention off of her statement.

Actually I *DID* respond to this, it's growing rather tiresome repeating myself. A little attention to detail from quite a few people would be very much appreciated.

You can refer to this post where I quoted Jazz and this post.

I also realize why I keep thinking it's 5 to lynch instead of 7. I replace into a lot of Newbie games (please reference my Wiki if you don't believe me), and Day 1 is always 5 to lynch.

So how was I trying to take attention off her statement if I already replied to her?

[semioldguy]

V/LA in all my games for a couple days, back problems acting up again. Hope to be back by this weekend

[Brandi]

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:24 pm

I would hammer myself to move the game along if I was scum. Since I'm not scum, I'm not going to hammer myself.

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:41 pm

Ok, you want role info, fine. I'm done trying to save myself, this town is doomed anyways.

Unvote

Vote: Starbuck

I'm frustrated and I've had enough.

I'm sorry, but saying that if you were scum you would hammer yourself, and then trying to hammer yourself 17 minutes later sure looks like scum to me.

There is nothing "opportunistic" about me voting you at L-2 after you purported to self-hammer in such a scummy fashion.

Also, while I do not post much, I am not "lurking" - I just don't get a lot of time to read and post due to the site being blocked at work, leaving only short periods of time in the evening for me to play during the week. This weekend was Thanksgiving in Canada and I was away for most of it, and I made a special effort to get online and caught up yesterday.

I remain suspicious of chamber and Gorrad, but will do a complete re-read when I can.

I see that I now have two more pages to catch up on since yesterday, which I will do tonight.

Regards,
Jazz

I definitely think that you keep using excuses for not posting.

Starbuck, I was referring to this. Your previous response that you linked to was not in response to you saying yourself that you'd self hammer as scum.

Since I'm not scum, I'm not going to hammer myself.

So you lied to us, then? (Granted, you DID fail at hammering yourself but it was obvious that was your intention)

[Starbuck]

I was just frustrated, and I was ready to be out of this game because at that point it had become very unfun.

[Neopi]

well im new to forum mafia and im not that good, the scummyness of my posts comes from skimming and noobishness i think so im sorry if i pulled the wrong lever so to speak, and i would like to apoligize and see what we get so for now

Unvote

[Starbuck]

Why don't you provide the analysis post that has been asked of you? Rather than skimming along?