SpyreX wrote:Actually, total truth be told aside from: Llama, Volkan, Plum AND marginally Zito & VP I'd kill any of you if I could.
<3 + agree.
milkshake wrote:By the way...
I am an Alchemist. Each night I can give someone one of my myriad of potions (and there's alot of them). Of course they're all nice and colored... but not labeled. So I have no idea what my potions can do (but based on colors I can take somewhat of a guess).
Anyone having flashbacks to "I am a Musician?" If you're going to claim, why on earth would you call yourself an Alchemist instead of giving us your real role name? I thought we had already been over this...
Fail. He's obviously giving us a serious Rolename and I don't see why "I am an Alchemist" is bad. What, are you expecting "I am The Alchemist" or something? I do not like this overmuch.
SerialClergyman wrote:I would be fine with a spyrex lynch.
Vote: SerialClergyman
SerialClergyman wrote:I don't think Spy's story adds up and I'm suspicious of the death/ghost mechanic. I am in favour of stringing up the poltergeist.
vote Spyrex
milkshake - why can't he be called an Alchemist? He already flagged yesterday that his name didn't end in -ER.
+++ What about Spy's story "didn't add up"? What's suspect about the ghost mechanic. QUANTIFY PLEASE.
When SC quantifies he doesn't do it to my satisfaction. The only thing I find weird about Spy's death is the "natural causes" clause.
DrippingGoofball wrote:There are some scenarios where Spyrex could be scum, now that I think about it. But they are long shots. Most likely, he's telling the truth. He's not the lynch for today.
Besides, we're still waiting for SnowBunny's explanations. With this in mind, milkshake and Clergyman's rush to wagon Spyrex is both scummy and premature. And let me be firm about something. I am not softclaiming anything. It's common sense
Papa Zito wrote:I'm a little iffy on Spyrex's claim, honestly. For one, he doesn't have the -er, which thus far (1 3rd party, 1 scum, 3 town flips) has proven a good way to judge claims.
No, because Sculptor was non-Town and non -er. The theory is for now a dark path where trespassers may be eaten by swamp monsters. The logic here is not.
milkshake wrote:I believe that both SpyreX and Bunny are town.
I thought that they were, basically, mutually exclusive. If you believe that Spy gave SB a potion with intent to kill him, you should at least believe the Spy thought SB was scum, and you probably should also believe that SB quite possibly had an ability that "killed" Spy (or possibly turned his potion back on himself.) So why do you think Bunny is town? What about her inciting people to perform actions on her through her miller claim?
Not mutually exclusive. With everyone having a power there are any number of scenarios which could account for it. Notwithstanding that I'm still waiting to see what, if anything, SB has to day on this. Otherwise I still don't believe SB is a good play today and I certainly don't think Spy is a fruitful lynch.
And yes, I believed Spy to be quite Townie yesterday. Stuff simply has not changed about that today.
SpyreX wrote:3.) In a realm of sheer coincidence, my potion went through, nothing happened to SB that she said and someone else targeted me with something that killed me in such a manner that I appear to have killed myself and yet am still alive (and, of course this would be scum because no one is mentioning DOING this).
Considering that the potion could be an action like, for a simple example, a Doc-type protection, and considering how much power there is out there I'm inclined to believe this in conjunction with my previous read on SB which is mostly, though not totally, reinforced by the KK flip.
Especially as apparently SB claimed something interesting happened to her last night, which I didn't notice previously.
SpyreX wrote:...
Mine does not have that line specifically. However, it does reference the word Special.
*eyebrow raise*
SpyreX wrote:Look, at this point I don't even care if I am the lynch. There could be worse ones.
HOWEVER, I want people to be real clear with why they are on it.
Why does this guve me bad vibes Not very bad vibes, though.
SerialClergyman wrote:I'm not in a lynching mood yet. No one has given me a good reason why I should lynch Spyrex after he targeted SB last night. If anyone else gave her that ability, now is the time to speak. Doesn't mean I won't lynch you, Spy, because the whole role info/type thing is pretty dodgy, but I'm not feeling the scummy vibes and I'm sticking with gut over setup info for the time being.
Hm. Read back, lines up with your earlier stances considering your claimed ability &c. Ah well,
unvote
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SB is bit VI. I do not like her attempted application of Occam's Razor (fail). Milkshake's erraticness is also fail, and in this context I mean scummy. I will probably get him in iso and make sure I'm seeing stuff right and pick out stuff of his that looks scummy in this very post, so don't touch that dial.
milkshake wrote:Uh-oh, I think Vollkan is lying now...
Sample PM wrote:Name: The Mod
Power Type: Active, Passive, Special, or...???
Alignment: With the Council, With the Converters, or….????
Flavor: Blah blah blah, I’m a dirty tramp
Power: Kick Ass
Win Condition: “You win when all who oppose The Council are eliminated.”, “You win when there is no way for the followers of the Council can win.”, or….???
Vollkan wrote:There are 'physical' abilities, which concern material things (example provided was a weapon).
There are 'active' actions, which relate to powers.
And (which is different to the first bit of info I received, but then again the first info wasn't provided as an exclusive list) there is also an 'other' category for different abilities.
He's telling you stuff that he wouldn't tell us? There is both "special" and "other?"
I don't usually believe that scum make obvious mistakes. But this...?
??? is generic "there are other things that can be in this slot" just like for alignment we've seen another wincon &c (with Kmd). Scum fail.
vote: milkshake
SpyreX wrote:There is no reference to The Giver in my PM
What were you doing/where were you/stuff when the Giver died/ the Inner City gates were sealed? ANYTHING? I'm looking into seeing if this theory holds any water or not, okay?
Feel better, Llama.
I have a theory that The Scribe, i.e. scum-Kublai wrote the message that SB-Miller passed on.
Notable stuff about milkshake:
-Random votes Kublai.
-Weird rolefishing/hinting about his own role in response to Kise's joke in the RVS.
-Seems willing or to desire to leave claimed 3rd-party Kmd alive after the claim.
-Accuses SpyreX of fakeclaiming with "I am an Alchemist"
milkshake wrote:
I'm not the hugest fan of flavor arguments, but I can't ignore them when they appear...
Liar liar pants on fire.
Also compare this:
milkshake wrote:So, what are you suggesting? I'm scum that somehow ghosted myself and am using it to try and kill a miller? Or..?
If you're talking to me, I'm not suggesting anything. I'm pretty happy with your post.
The dead-next-night thing seems plausible... it's also very easily testable if we wait.
with this:
milkshake wrote:Previously, BM and I had said that we could lynch SpyreX tomorow if he didn't dissapear on his own. But I don't think that he's a ghost, and I don't see why he would be fully resurrected for just one day of life.
unvote tubby, vote: SpyreX
Why so flip-floppy? Opportunism? I smell a stench.
- Insinuates that SpyreX/Bunny being town is mutually exclusive when it clearly is not so radical a dichotomy at all - leaving room to push SB if the bandwagons swing?
-Insinuates that SB's suggestions that a Cop can target her to confirm sanity was scummy,
contradicting his earlier positions
on SB (he said her claim sounded legit and discussed the "inciting" incidents quite neutrally). This was done to further the false "either Spy or SB has to be scum" dichotomy he was pressing in the point I mentioned above. remember, HE THOUGHT SB WAS TOWN and the only thing that seem to swing this is his desire to convince Vaya that SpyreX and SB can't both be town.
- Then suggests that SB and Spy might be scumbuddies. HAH. Nice try, no cigar.
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milkshake wrote:You stopped me from killing myself, eh?
Is this more of your jester-vigilante-cop antics? Unless your role talks about how you kill yourself because you're totally crazy, then no.
If you believe SpyreX targeted SB with anything, he's probably not scum.
I still doubt SpyreX's claim a little bit. It seems really weird that his role would turn out to be oddly inactive just as a (claimed) tracker targets him, and that his potion, although
meant
to kill Snow_Bunny (a pro-town action), would end up having no effect. However, I can also see how, in the right semi-coincidental circumstances, it could all be true. For example, maybe SB really does do bad things to people who target her. Also, importantly, his most recent posts have been convincing for me with regards to his claim...
Despite the fact that this doesn't address Milkshake's actual flavor reasons for voting SpyreX, that the role-type, diction of rolename claim and such looked scummy.
milkshake wrote:As I previously mentioned, though, I really can't understand SB's play if she's town. Personally I wouldn't claim miller as scum, but according to people here, it is done fairly often. It would especially make sense if SB interacts with people who target her... although, it wouldn't make sense for her to half-kill those people (like what happened to SpyreX). Maybe SpyreX is secretly NK immune? Maybe he really will die tomorow (I doubt that)? Maybe SB doesn't do the same thing every time someone targets her?
See how he makes a statement - " I really can't understand SB's play if she's town" and completely fails to quantify it. He just says "I've heard that sometimes scum claim Miller. Also maybe she was drawing people to target her which would affect them but that doesn't make sense so random speculation about circumstances". Remember, this AFTER Day 1 stance on SB which was that she was unlikely to flip scum and
milkshake wrote:Oh, also I was under the definite impression that miller claim was a null-tell or slight town tell because it meant cops had something to test their sanity on.
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milkshake wrote:I also agree wholeheartedly with the "witholding a piece of the puzzle is anti-town" thing. I'm also starting to like "SB and SpyreX's scumynesses are mutually exclusive." What I said previously about it being a prearranged scum thing seems unlikely to me now. So I suppose I should switch my vote to the other half of the Spy/SB duality, and
unvote, vote: Snow_Bunny
So, yeah. Let's all lynch Snow_Bunny and see what happens.
What I don't like about this is how Milkshake uses the completely false dichotomy he's set up to help justify the SB lynch. The logic is both BS and scummy.
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milkshake wrote:I agree that it's possible everything is fine, the non-ER role and the lack of 'type' is genuine and he's town, but I'm not convinced. What I AM convinced of is SB's reasoning for thinking Spy is scum (and subsequent vote of someone else) is rubbish. More 1-shot ability claiming and SB votes imho.
QFT... My position precisely (put more succintly). I also think SB's behavior regarding her 1-shot ability is scummy. She also has the fact that she was (presumably) targetted by SpyreX, but not harmed working against her, although there are many possible explanations for that.
It's possible I've missed something but I didn't see anything like that from milkshake previously. Scum grabbing onto an actual legit-looking reason and trying to pass it off as his position from before then?
- Says Vollkan is a liar when is obviously not the case. See above the milkshake reread for more details on that.
Just so we got the point:
Vote: milkshake
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^ Ben admits confirmation bias in his attacks