The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)
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If you believe Spyrex targeted SB with anything, he's probably not scum. I don't get any scum motivation for pushing agaisnt the miller. There's heaps of juicy power roles yet unfound, why would you bother with someone likely to get lynched or killed at some point without an active ability?I actually don't think she's denying that SpyreX targetted her with something (gave her a black potion), but she is denying that that necessarily gave her her mysterious ability that she won't tell us about. Remember that SpyreX had the whole not-death thing going on, which might have been the (only?) outcome of his supposed potion.I'm old now.-
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I think at this point a miller lynch is in order. SB is being very uncooperative and just flinging suspicions all over the walls
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Is this more of your jester-vigilante-cop antics? Unless your role talks about how you kill yourself because you're totally crazy, then no.You stopped me from killing myself, eh?
I still doubt SpyreX's claim a little bit. It seems really weird that his role would turn out to be oddly inactive just as a (claimed) tracker targets him, and that his potion, althoughIf you believe SpyreX targeted SB with anything, he's probably not scum.meantto kill Snow_Bunny (a pro-town action), would end up having no effect. However, I can also see how, in the right semi-coincidental circumstances, it could all be true. For example, maybe SB really does do bad things to people who target her. Also, importantly, his most recent posts have been convincing for me with regards to his claim...
As I previously mentioned, though, I really can't understand SB's play if she's town. Personally I wouldn't claim miller as scum, but according to people here, it is done fairly often. It would especially make sense if SB interacts with people who target her... although, it wouldn't make sense for her to half-kill those people (like what happened to SpyreX). Maybe SpyreX is secretly NK immune? Maybe he really will die tomorow (I doubt that)? Maybe SB doesn't do the same thing every time someone targets her?
I also agree wholeheartedly with the "witholding a piece of the puzzle is anti-town" thing. I'm also starting to like "SB and SpyreX's scumynesses are mutually exclusive." What I said previously about it being a prearranged scum thing seems unlikely to me now. So I suppose I should switch my vote to the other half of the Spy/SB duality, andunvote, vote: Snow_Bunny
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Official Vote Count (Page 57, Day 2)
Snow_Bunny-6 (SpyreX, DrippingGoofball, Papa Zito, SerialClergyman, dramonic, milkshake)
Spyrex -2 (Battle Mage, Benmage)
stark -2 (KaleiÐoscøpe, Sajin)
DrippingGoofball -2 (tubby216, Snow_Bunny)
Benmage -1 (VP Baltar)
tubby216 -1 (LlamaFluff)
Not Voting:Rosso Carne, Kise, vollkan, SocioPath, Vaya, Plum, chamber, stark,
Note: Deadline will be at the earliest, 10/30 3:45 PM EST, with 23 whole votes available, it takes 12 to lynch.
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In that case, guess I don't know what you did to me in the night... better not have put bugs in my bed.milkshake wrote:
Is this more of your jester-vigilante-cop antics? Unless your role talks about how you kill yourself because you're totally crazy, then no.You stopped me from killing myself, eh?
@My dearest Snow Bunny - Now seems like as good a time as ever to specify that 1-shot.They have escaped into the mansion where they thought it was safe.
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Ok, here is the deal.
From a logical standpoint, everything Spy said makes sense, and SC.
Look at the flavor of this game. People get special powers when they are near the Goma.
Those special powers would be an 'active' ability.
SC is a 'toucher'. He touches people, he gets their powers.
SPY DOESN'T HAVE ANY POWERS, nothing to absorb. He has POTIONS. Thats why he is 'SPECIAL'.
You can't touch someone and absorb a physical potion he has access to.
And SB is acting terribly considering her position.
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The names! Wooosh!
Now I thought there was a correlation between color and function but if my black one didn't kill then that isn't true. If there IS a correlation and this is due to scum shenanigai by SB then I might have an idea of a few others.-
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Maybe they're associated to effects through Feng ShuiI'm a hoot
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vollkan The Interrogator
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You're suggesting I shouldn't pipe up when a player says something I think to be bullshit?serialclergyman wrote: Is there some posting restriction that says if I question a player who has a weird mechanic and an odd claim that other players have to respond like I've suggested a night of fun and frivolity with their saintly mothers? Stop getting your knickers in a twist and play nice.
I've been in at least one other game where Spyrex was town that I can remember, so this isn't even empirically accurate.Benmage wrote:
Hes always scum.VP Baltar wrote:Care to explain that, Ben.
Vote: Benmage. Until you give me a proper reason for your vote, I'm going to assume I don't need one for mine, and I encourage others to join in.
I don't agree with you on SB...but I feel your pain.DGB wrote: Can someone else take over the duties of bringing sense into the game? The vast expanses of idiocy that stretch before me are just too much for the human soul to bear.
Which makes Spy scum how?clergyman wrote: SB confirmed something odd happened to her last night. Unless anyone else wants to put their hand up, I'm assuming that was Spyrex.
This is just sad more than anything else.Snow_Bunny wrote:
Why not? Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is usually the best. So far that seems to be the rule.milkshake wrote:
Well, I agree it's likely that many or most roles follow the -er rule (that's why I proposed it in the first place). So far, all town roles have been -er roles. (The Giver, The Hugger, The Sculptor, The Rodent Tamer vs. The Rats, The Scribe, and (alledgedly) The Alchemist). But it doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would necessarily be true 100% of the time.I am. Until I see this theory disproven (and my role follows this pattern as well) then I'm going to assume it's true.
I'm not liking Spyrex's actions as of late. First, attacking me based on a roughly assumption that his potion was poison, and second that claim. just don't buy it. And the name, well, it doesn't fit either.
Vote: Spyrex
Time to school you: Occam's Razor does not say the simplest explanation is best. It says, as a heuristic maxim, that the explanation which invokes the least number of entities (unknowns, assumptions, etc.) is to be preferred.
In no fashion whatsoever does that justify the absolute crap-logic which you just employed. We have seen a number of town roles which do end in "-er" (for the record, my own role does end in -er). But that isn't statistically significant at all, and it's an extremely dopey assumption to make.
Also, the evidence we've received thus far is consistent with the town roles being the names of professions. Sculptor, I note, ends in -or. To the best of my knowledge, there is no -er or -or suffix for anything which is close in meaning to alchemist. So, given that Spyrex's claimed role certainly sounds plausible in this setup, I'm not going to hold the name against him.
Do you think it is strange that scum would have a power that confers a new positive ability?Snow_Bunny wrote:Well, the effect gave me a new ability. Enough said.
QFTDrippingGoofball wrote:
At best, this would be a one-shot doctor ability. There is no point in withholding that. It's not like the scum is going to try to kill you over a one-night doc ability, when you're a miller. That's assuming that SB is town, an ever-dimming possibility.milkshake wrote:
QFT... well, unless that piece is "I'm a doc now."Withholding a piece of the puzzle is anti-town.
I just want to note in passing that I read these two sentences plus your username and nearly choked on my coffee in laughter.serialclergyman wrote:I am the Toucher. I 'touch' 1 player at night.
I have reason to believe this is not painting a complete picture. I can say this without revealing any substantial info about my role, so I will. I received the following information in response to a question I asked:SerialClergyman wrote:I am the Toucher. I 'touch' 1 player at night. If they have an active ability, I am informed at daybreak what ability I've absorbed and the next night I get to either a) use that ability or b) touch another player.
I touched Spyrex and was informed I didn't receive an ability.
As I said, it's not alignment information and it's not 100% foolproof but it's definitely enough to make me suspicious of Spyrex, particularly when his current posts are nothing to write home about.
I agree third party seems likely.
For the purposes of game mechanics, there is a distinction between 'physical' abilities and 'active' abilities. It isn't directly stated, and I can't explain this in detail due to it being role-relevant, but I am of the opinion based on what I have received that a 'physical' can still be an ability that one actively gets to make a choice on; I admit I'm not 100% sure on that. And I am going to send in a request to CKD for clarification after I finish writing this post.
The fact that clergy used the word 'active' specifically leads me to conclude that the distinction is very likely relevant in this context.
And, no, those terms weren't elaborated further for me. However, given that Spyrex's power is the power to select from x number of potions which, in turn, do 'something' (whether it be the conferral of an ability or, as may have been the case, the turning of spyrex into some sort of zombiestumpghost), it seems to me that Spyrex very likely does not possess an 'active' ability.-
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Come on, you can at least pretend to read my posts.vollkan wrote:For the purposes of game mechanics, there is a distinction between 'physical' abilities and 'active' abilities. It isn't directly stated, and I can't explain this in detail due to it being role-relevant, but I am of the opinion based on what I have received that a 'physical' can still be an ability that one actively gets to make a choice on; I admit I'm not 100% sure on that. And I am going to send in a request to CKD for clarification after I finish writing this post.
The fact that clergy used the word 'active' specifically leads me to conclude that the distinction is very likely relevant in this context.
And, no, those terms weren't elaborated further for me. However, given that Spyrex's power is the power to select from x number of potions which, in turn, do 'something' (whether it be the conferral of an ability or, as may have been the case, the turning of spyrex into some sort of zombiestumpghost), it seems to me that Spyrex very likely does not possess an 'active' ability.Aut Tace Aut Meliora Loquere Silentio.-
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What about ending in "-xr"...also try saying all the town revealed names out loud...theres something to note.vollkan wrote: Well, I agree it's likely that many or most roles follow the -er rule (that's why I proposed it in the first place). So far, all town roles have been -er roles. (The Giver, The Hugger, The Sculptor, The Rodent Tamer vs. The Rats, The Scribe, and (alledgedly) The Alchemist). But it doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would necessarily be true 100% of the time.
SpryeXYour role PM say anything about the Giver? (sorry if you all ready did, rough weekend + football = falling behind.)-
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SerialClergyman Mafia Scum
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I'm suggesting maybe a sarcastic and snide little comment is less useful than just a reasonable question about it. Because maybe they have, for example, role information which is important to the situation driving their suspicion.You're suggesting I shouldn't pipe up when a player says something I think to be bullshit?
Also - your method of commenting as you read is frustrating when the issue you're commenting on has already been resolved, as the people above me can attest to.
Havign said that, I agree abotu my role name and was thinking about making a comment about paedophilia to breadcrumb but decided against it due to good taste
Active is specifrically mentioned in my role PM. This was why I was asking about Spy's actions last night for the first 5 or so posts, including one specifically askign if it was active or passive at one point.
If you followed the resulting conversation, the fact that Spyrex claims to not have a 'type' line in his role PM is suspicious. I have some sympathy with the -xr thought as well. However, as I've said numerous times, I don't see Spy as scum if he targets SB with his action (and see no reason atm to think this isn't true), more likely a third party.
I agree that it's possible everything is fine, the non-ER role and the lack of 'type' is genuine and he's town, but I'm not convinced. What I AM convinced of is SB's reasoning for thinking Spy is scum (and subsequent vote of someone else) is rubbish. More 1-shot ability claiming and SB votes imho.I'm old now.-
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vollkan The Interrogator
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What you guessed is correct and fits exactly with my point, I just have proof of it is all.SocioPath wrote:
Come on, you can at least pretend to read my posts.vollkan wrote:For the purposes of game mechanics, there is a distinction between 'physical' abilities and 'active' abilities. It isn't directly stated, and I can't explain this in detail due to it being role-relevant, but I am of the opinion based on what I have received that a 'physical' can still be an ability that one actively gets to make a choice on; I admit I'm not 100% sure on that. And I am going to send in a request to CKD for clarification after I finish writing this post.
The fact that clergy used the word 'active' specifically leads me to conclude that the distinction is very likely relevant in this context.
And, no, those terms weren't elaborated further for me. However, given that Spyrex's power is the power to select from x number of potions which, in turn, do 'something' (whether it be the conferral of an ability or, as may have been the case, the turning of spyrex into some sort of zombiestumpghost), it seems to me that Spyrex very likely does not possess an 'active' ability.
No, you didn't.Benmage wrote: I more or less did a few posts later
Let me quote each post by you regarding Spyrex since then:
This is just stupid flavour tunneling.Benmage wrote:
You dont know what they do....SpyreX wrote: I am The Alchemist. I make potionsbut don't know what I makebut yet people still want them. There's a war on but I don't care - I have a new set of potions and want to find out what they do.
But you have a new set and want to find out what they do....SpyreX wrote: I am The Alchemist. I make potions but don't know what I make but yet people still want them. There's a war on but I don't care -I have a new set of potions and want to find out what they do.
Odddd
This makes no sense. The word Special or something like it would make sense; we don't know what the full set of ability categories are.Benmage wrote:
Wow, vote him already.SpyreX wrote:...
Mine does not have that line specifically. However, it does reference the word Special.
Generic smear post.Benmage wrote:
Telling your partners what todo tonight?SpyreX wrote: IF I had a bullet it would be going in SB or Ben at the moment.
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So yeah, great explanation.
What you are doing here is akin to acting under confirmation bias. Nothing in the names evidences Spyrex being scum, and yet you are latching onto any difference between Spyrex's name and theBenmage wrote: What about ending in "-xr"fourtown names we have seen so far in order to justify your ridiculous attack on him.
As I already said, for all the silly pedantic spelling "-xr" stuff you can pull out, what we see at the moment is that the town names are names of roles that people can perform. Some of those end in -er, or -or, but, absent some truly compelling evidence, it would be plainly idiotic to run on the assumption that town roles HAVE to end in -xr.
(seriously, can this please be the last pile of total craplogic I have to deal with?)
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...also try saying all the town revealed names out loud...theres something to note. [/quote]
Gasp! All the town names so far have odd numbers of syllables whereas "The Al-chem-ist" has an even number. Spyrex is soooo scum!
I don't believe it is less useful, but I know for a fact it's a hell of a lot more fun.clergy wrote: I'm suggesting maybe a sarcastic and snide little comment is less useful than just a reasonable question about it.
Pfft...you're a paedophile priest. "Good taste" is pretty much irrelevant.clergy wrote: Havign said that, I agree abotu my role name and was thinking about making a comment about paedophilia to breadcrumb but decided against it due to good taste-
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A thought just clicked in my head after I pushed submit, and it is important on this point.Clergy wrote: If you followed the resulting conversation, the fact that Spyrex claims to not have a 'type' line in his role PM is suspicious.
Again, I'm going to have to be vague, but the categories of ability I referred to ("active" and "physical") do apply to scum. In which case, one would expect scum to also have the line in their pm.
Spyrex, can you confirm whether or not you have a field in your PM for "Power type", like the example PM below?
Name: The Mod
Power Type: Active, Passive, Special, or...???
Alignment: With the Council, With the Converters, or….????
Flavor: Blah blah blah, I’m a dirty tramp
Power: Kick Ass
Win Condition: “You win when all who oppose The Council are eliminated.”, “You win when there is no way for the followers of the Council can win.”, or….???-
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