Mini 861: Hellsing Mafia - (Game Over!)

[Doombunny9]

What is the likelihood of scum voting their scumpartner right off bat? As in the RVS?

Higher than you think. Scum will sometimes vote their scumpartner in the RVS to bus them and defend themselves later.

[Amished]

@DB: Cause one vote is a buss when there's basically no votes out there.... /facepalm

@Looker: I expect you to back up your Chaco/Shotty connection, but every (mediocre and better) scummer knows that flips and NK's are worth tons more than anything said in thread. I would suggest looking for a single scum first, and go from there (especially with buddying, distancing, and all those other sneaky tactics that scum can do with town).

[Chaco]

What is the likelihood of scum voting their scumpartner right off bat? As in the RVS?

Higher than you think. Scum will sometimes vote their scumpartner in the RVS to bus them and defend themselves later.

It's an incredibly weak form of defense though, and can easily be seen through.

As such though, connections be seen with it, however as Amished has said focus on one scum first and then focus on connections.

[Doombunny9]

I know it's weak but you know, that's what scum does sometimes.

[Chaco]

Well, if they do, it would be a pathetic attempt. Not saying they wouldn't, just saying we'd be on them.

[Amished]

I think it's more likely that scum start off the game with admittedly completely random votes so they can't be held accountable at all for them...

[Shotty to the Body]

I doubt that people's alignment affect their behavior in random voting stage, once we're past RVS the first couple pages are rarely mentioned in the later days.

[forbiddanlight]

I doubt that people's alignment affect their behavior in random voting stage, once we're past RVS the first couple pages are rarely mentioned in the later days.

To be fair I was caught as scum once thanks to RVS interactions. Shit sucked.

I think it's more likely that scum start off the game with admittedly completely random votes so they can't be held accountable at all for them...

Or meta fulfilling votes

Higher than you think. Scum will sometimes vote their scumpartner in the RVS to bus them and defend themselves later.

Do you seriously think this? I mean...what's the gain? Numbers are generally BETTER than townie cred, since you tend to lose the latter in endgame, but having your numbers remain around is more likely to serve you well.

Despite knowing this I tend to bus like hell though

And, yeah, I realize I'm totally not commenting on anything game related. I really haven't seen anything that caught my interest so I felt like discussing theory.

[Amished]

@Forb: lol /facepalm

I was making a point that doombunny made an admittedly random vote (from random.org) and is more likely scum because of it, but if you want to claim scum because you have a meta for certain votes, I'll take that too...

lol

[Shotty to the Body]

And, yeah, I realize I'm totally not commenting on anything game related. I really haven't seen anything that caught my interest so I felt like discussing theory.

I've felt this way for a large portion of this day, but I'm trying to contribute anyways. =\

@Kik, do you feel Doombunny is scummier then Saber? You said you no longer saw the connection between them, do you think they are of opposite alignments?

[Chaco]

Things have become rather stagnant.

Where the hell is Kairyuu with our new page vote count? Slacker.

-insert excuse about 2 exams 1 paper, and 3 extensive homework assignments due within the next few days-

[forbiddanlight]

I was making a point that doombunny made an admittedly random vote (from random.org) and is more likely scum because of it, but if you want to claim scum because you have a meta for certain votes, I'll take that too...

Nah, actually, my meta for voting the mod merely means that I do it regardless of alignment.

I was merely trying to provide anecdotal evidence that in some cases RVS CAN be used, but probably not in most.

[Kairyuu]

Votecount 5 of Day 1:

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The “

Mod Needs Better Study Habits

” Votecount

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1.

forbiddanlight

(0):
2.

Netopalis

(0):
3.

Amished

(0):
4.

fuzzylightning

(0):
5.

Konowa

(0):
6.

Shotty to the Body

(0):
7.

Chaco

(0):
8.

Archon

(1):

Archon

9.

Looker

(1):

saberwolf

10.

kikuchiyo

(0):
11.

Doombunny9

(2):

forbiddanlight, kikuchiyo

12.

saberwolf

(3):

Shotty to the Body, Chaco, Amished

Not voting

(5):

Netopalis, fuzzylightning, Doombunny9, Konowa, Looker

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone to hell.

Deadline for D1 will hit Friday, October 23, at 8pm EST. This is a fixed deadline, so it will not be extended barring extreme circumstances.

[Chaco]

Don't sweat it.

[Doombunny9]

Ok, did we really waste that much time discussing scum bussing each other in the RVS This is not going to help us out at all.

Anyway

Can we get a prod on Fuzzy?

[Looker]

Another question: What is the likelihood of scum downplaying a scumtactic simply because they're currently utilizing said scumtactic or

have

used said scumtactic in the game they're currently in?

Well, if they do, it would be a pathetic attempt. Not saying they wouldn't, just saying we'd be on them.

I doubt that people's alignment affect their behavior in random voting stage, once we're past RVS the first couple pages are rarely mentioned in the later days.

Yo.

Random Vote: Shotty to the Body

Very interesting name, I like it.

[Amished]

1 problem, Shotty didn't random vote Chaco back. Why is Chaco + Shotty any more likely than Saber (who also voted for Chaco)? Motivations in the RVS are generally considered extremely weak as certain people (forb, myself, *plenty* of others) always do the same thing in every game regardless of alignment.

Currently it looks like we have 5 people on Saber/Doom combined, for very similar reasons.

To the other 4 (forb, kiku, shotty, and chaco): would you consider voting the other if necessary? Is your current vote the one you think will produce the most information with a scumflip?

@those not voting (Netopalis, fuzzylightning, Doombunny9, Konowa, Looker) What are your exact opinions on *both* Doombunny and Saber?

@Saber: What is your rationale for not voting for doombunny?

@Mod: Can we get Archon either in the game or replaced?

Doing activity checks in like 5 minutes.

[forbiddanlight]

To the other 4 (forb, kiku, shotty, and chaco): would you consider voting the other if necessary?

Yes

Is your current vote the one you think will produce the most information with a scumflip?

I haven't analyzed that deeply. At the moment I think they both are so tied to each other the information given by either flip approaches equal.

[Chaco]

To the other 4 (forb, kiku, shotty, and chaco): would you consider voting the other if necessary? Is your current vote the one you think will produce the most information with a scumflip?

Fine with either.

[Looker]

I say Saber. Doom has said alot, but not alot of people have referenced Doom; however, Saber has been referenced by a good majority of the players.

[saberwolf]

replacing out. don't have the time for this, plus i hate the amount of tunneling going on for the stupidest of reasons.

Well now . . . Isn't that nice. Hunting now.

[Chaco]

You're replacing out for tunneling? Weak shit dude.

[saberwolf]

You're replacing out for tunneling? Weak shit dude.

I don't care. Have fun.

[Looker]

Aren't you the one that got lynched Day 1 in all your other games and was town every single time? Damn, that shit must suck...

[Amished]

Possibly actually defending yourself would've helped.

Jesus.

@Mod: Can I please have like a 4 vote (1-shot) ability so I can just lynch him?