The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[DrippingGoofball]

I wouldn't be fine with a Spyrex lynch because he's town.

How confident are you of this?

BM

Confident enough to say:

I wouldn't be fine with a Spyrex lynch because he's town.

[DrippingGoofball]

Okay... but why's he town and what's with his lame claim?

If you're going to declare his claim to be lame, you better defend your statement and explain it fully, scumbag.

[milkshake]

What? I already said...

Anyone having flashbacks to "I am a Musician?" If you're going to claim, why on earth would you call yourself an Alchemist instead of giving us your real role name? I thought we had already been over this...

And you're

really

attached to SpyreX aren't you... should I know why?

[SerialClergyman]

What appeared to happen was DGB possibly softclaiming some role info, BM fishing for that info (don't worry, I approve ) and I can't tell if that's a confirm or not.

Not only do I not approve of softclaims (as evidenced by an ongoing game of mine) but it's even less crucial when the scum can't fail to hit a power role.

I don't think Spy's story adds up and I'm suspicious of the death/ghost mechanic. I am in favour of stringing up the poltergeist.

vote Spyrex

milkshake - why can't he be called an Alchemist? He already flagged yesterday that his name didn't end in -ER.

[milkshake]

Well, he could be called The Alchemist, but not "an alchemist" like "a godfather" or "a roleblocker." And (while I agree it's

possible

that he has them) using random potions is not exactly very difficult to make up, and neither does it fit with the theme of people granted powers at birth by the Dark Goma.

I'm not the hugest fan of flavor arguments, but I can't ignore them when they appear...

Previously, BM and I had said that we could lynch SpyreX tomorow if he didn't dissapear on his own. But I don't think that he's a ghost, and I don't see why he would be fully resurrected for just one day of life.

unvote tubby, vote: SpyreX

because I still think his claim is bad. Hopefully DGB doesn't go berserk...

[DrippingGoofball]

unvote tubby, vote: SpyreX

because I still think his claim is bad. Hopefully DGB doesn't go berserk...

Unfortunately, I only have one vote and cannot vote all the people rushing to lynch what is, in essence, a confirmed townie - because anyone with two brain cells to rub together has got to know that the attempt on Spyrex didn't come from town, but from scum.

Therefore, he is pretty much confirmed town.

* Thank you for reminding me of why I wanted to retire in the first place, and making me regret my decision to play again. *

[DrippingGoofball]

I'll go as far as to say that one of milkshake and SerialClergyman HAS GOT to be scum. 50-50 are pretty good odds.

[SerialClergyman]

Sorry DGB, which attempt on his life are you talking about?

As far as I can tell, he's there standing above his own body and crying. There's nothing to indicate any sort of attempt on his life. The flavour reads inconclusive as to what happened, but is consistent with just about any variation of actions, including being recruited or converted, being a doppelganger of some kind, being a ghost etc etc.

There's nothing at all I can see that suggests the mafia tried to kill him.

As for his claim, I don't believe he's telling us everything. I don't like the role, flavour and particularly his claimed action.

So sorry you're being caused to regret playing the game, but you're jumping to conclusions with Spy that I don't like.

[milkshake]

Besides, according to his own claim, he tried to give SB a black potion, possibly resulting in whatever happened to him...

[StarKiss]

Something tells me that Spyrex can't be killed this phase anyway. Experiment if you all want, but I think it's more interesting to believe he did try to kill SB and it somehow backfired. Not worth voting either of them, but an interesting note to remember down the line.

@DGB - I'd say it's possible for both to be scum. The votes on Spyrex are disguised as disliking his claim, but I think it's also possible that something is up with them two and SB.

[Kise]

^Kise, BTW

[Papa Zito]

Something tells me that Spyrex can't be killed this phase anyway. Experiment if you all want, but I think it's more interesting to believe he did try to kill SB and it somehow backfired. Not worth voting either of them, but an interesting note to remember down the line.

Lawl. Sup hydra.

I think the real question should be: What about a miller would cause something like that to backfire?

Also scope needs moar votes.

[DrippingGoofball]

Ah! Papa Zito-Starkiss-Kise or whomever, someone with a brain to discuss with! Yay.

There are some scenarios where Spyrex could be scum, now that I think about it. But they are long shots. Most likely, he's telling the truth. He's not the lynch for today.

Besides, we're still waiting for SnowBunny's explanations. With this in mind, milkshake and Clergyman's rush to wagon Spyrex is both scummy and premature. And let me be firm about something. I am not softclaiming anything. It's common sense.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think the real question should be: What about a miller would cause something like that to backfire?

(1) The black potion may not kill the player that receives it.
(2) The black potion may kill the player that receives it, and SB is lying.
(3) I don't want to help SB and give her ideas.
(4) I don't want to help SB and give her ideas.
(5) I don't want to help SB and give her ideas.
(6) I don't want to help SB and give her ideas.

[Kise]

And this whole time I thought it was my 6th sense.

[Papa Zito]

I'm a little iffy on Spyrex's claim, honestly. For one, he doesn't have the -er, which thus far (1 3rd party, 1 scum, 3 town flips) has proven a good way to judge claims. Second, as milkshake said, the potions thing doesn't really jive with the theme; we're supposed to be born with our powers, not have to fabricate them. I can easily see a scenario where Spyrexscum trying to make a kill, having it backfire, and then scrambling to come up with a reason why.

On the other hand, there was nothing in Snow_Bunny's claim that would make me think she has some sort of protection on her, so I'm wondering how the thing could have backfired in the first place. So I'm with you DGB about waiting for Snow_Bunny's side of things.

[VP Baltar]

Let me put some logic in this argument, if Spyrex actually was scum he would not have tried to kill snow bunny unless he lacks the aformentioned two brain cells.

Also, no one has anything to say about the note I received?

[SocioPath]

Lots to analyze. Khan's obsession with Rosso is indeed odd though.

[milkshake]

The votes on Spyrex are disguised as disliking his claim

That's not really a disguise...

something is up with them two and SB

Yeah "something" is... I think he may have claimed miller to get people to take night actions on him so that his ability would do something to them. I'd love to hear SB's explanation.

"Kmd wins with benmage's lynch". [...] if it's true then benmage could be an SK and needs to be lynched immediately.

KMD said his role PM talkign about The Rodent Tamer (SK) and Saijin (who, according to your note, is not Saijin but BM) as if they were different people.

if Spyrex actually was scum he would not have tried to kill snow bunny unless he lacks the aformentioned two brain cells

Then again, if his claim is bogus (as at least Papa Zito and me think it might be, although DGB disagrees vehemently), SpyreX could have done anything. As SerialClergyman says, any number of scenarios could result in the deaths and not-deaths that we have seen so far.

[milkshake]

Sorry, EBWOP: "KMD said his role PM talkign" should be "KMD said his role PM talked."

Khan's obsession with Rosso is indeed odd though.

You mean the double voting thing? I think that's just about Rosso possibly/probably being the double voter. Not sure though.

[Vaya]

I believe that both SpyreX and Bunny are town. I believe Spy's claim, and I can't see how it would make any sense for him to target Bunny as scum.

To the point of his claim contradicting the theme of us being born with powers, let me remind you all that Jordon had nothing but a bomb strapped to himself, so that doesn't seem to apply to everyone.

@VP Balter
Could you explain why this note you received leads you to suspect Benmage is a SK? I don't see how you're reaching that conclusion.

[milkshake]

I believe that both SpyreX and Bunny are town.

I thought that they were, basically, mutually exclusive. If you believe that Spy gave SB a potion with intent to kill him, you should at least believe the Spy thought SB was scum, and you probably should also believe that SB quite possibly had an ability that "killed" Spy (or possibly turned his potion back on himself.) So why do you think Bunny is town? What about her inciting people to perform actions on her through her miller claim?

let me remind you all that Jordon had nothing but a bomb strapped to himself

We weren't really led to believe that, were we? "An ancient solution was remembered and Jordan gave DeathNote an innocent gift... a hug." (Paraphrasing). Doesn't this sound like Jordan is remembering some crazy suicidal power he knew he had? At the very least, it doesn't say anything about a bomb.

[Vaya]

I believe that both SpyreX and Bunny are town.

I thought that they were, basically, mutually exclusive. If you believe that Spy gave SB a potion with intent to kill him, you should at least believe the Spy thought SB was scum, and you probably should also believe that SB quite possibly had an ability that "killed" Spy (or possibly turned his potion back on himself.) So why do you think Bunny is town? What about her inciting people to perform actions on her through her miller claim?

I'm not sure I get you're logic here. Yes, I believe Spy is town and he apparently feels that Bunny is scum. I don't see how this should lead me to automatically agree with him, or blame bunny for his death. Really, I find this "Spy targeted bunny and it seems to have backfired, therefore it must be her fault and she is scum" logic to be jumping to conclusions.

Still, I do want Bunny to explain in detail what happened to her last night, so we can maybe get this all figured out.

let me remind you all that Jordon had nothing but a bomb strapped to himself

We weren't really led to believe that, were we? "An ancient solution was remembered and Jordan gave DeathNote an innocent gift... a hug." (Paraphrasing). Doesn't this sound like Jordan is remembering some crazy suicidal power he knew he had? At the very least, it doesn't say anything about a bomb.

I looked back, and you're right that a bomb was never outright mentioned. I feel it was implied though that he simply had a bomb strapped to himself, and I find it much more reasonable to assume that then to think that he had the ability to create huge explosions out of nowhere.

[milkshake]

I don't see how this should lead me to automatically agree with him, or blame bunny for his death. Really, I find this "Spy targeted bunny and it seems to have backfired, therefore it must be her fault and she is scum" logic to be jumping to conclusions.

It should not

automatically

lead you to agree with him, nor should it

automatically

lead you to blame for SB for whatever happened. However, both of those things seem fairly plausible. I do agree that, as I have said before, there are many possible explanations for the events we have seen. But you shouldn't blindly reject the most apparent explanations.

I see why you think SpyreX is town (you believe his claim, I think you are very wrong to believe his claim, though, and, myself, I do not.) However, I do not see why any of this causes you to believe that

Snow_Bunny

is town. In fact, if you think SpyreX is town, I can much more readily see why you might believe SB is now.

I find it much more reasonable to assume that then to think that he had the ability to create huge explosions out of nowhere.

Well SpyreX can look at his own body, so I don't think creating explosions is at all out of the question.

Still, I do want Bunny to explain in detail what happened to her last night, so we can maybe get this all figured out.

Much agreed.

[milkshake]

"SB is now" should be "SB is town." I'm starting to get sloppy with previewing my posts... tsk tsk!