Mafia 102: No-Frills Game Thread(Town wins!)

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Moderator:Scigatt
Backup Mod and Setup Reviewer:Kublai Khan

Status:Finished

Still Breathing:

hiphop

CSL

RayFrost

malpascp

Kreriov

Staple

WarWound

The Inquisition

Team Aether

Empking

danakillsu

Kaiveran

dramonic

mask man

Rockatansky
charter
crypto

Room Temperature:

Pomegranate - Lynched D1,

Townie--------

SerialClergyman - Killed N1,

Townie-----------

bigmc109 - Lynched D2,

Mafia Goon------------

Sando - Lynched D3,

Townie-----------------

muh316 - Killed N3,

Jailkeeper-------------

EtherealCookie

Trumpet of Doom - Lynched D4,

Mafia Goon---------------

le Chat

Pyromaniac - Killed N4,

Townie-------------

X_~

Ojanen

peanutman - Lynched D4, Mafia Goon

V/LA

No one

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Rules:

Stolen with modifications from Mr. Flay

• Votes must be in bold for them to count, like this:
  Vote: MafiaSSK
  . Unvotes should also be bolded (
  Unvote: somestrangeflea
  ) so that I can spot them easier, but they're not required.
• A simple majority of votes (1/2 the number of living players plus one, rounded
  down
  up) will achieve a lynch and end the Day. Unvoting after that point will not save someone's life. If a deadline is imposed, the required number of votes may be lowered.
• Nights will last at least 48 hours. No night actions will be accepted after 96 hours.
• Dead men tell no tales. If you get killed, stop talking until the game is over.
• Do not discuss this game with other players outside of this thread, unless your role PM specifically stated you could do so.
• Do not directly quote any PMs you receive.
• If you see something you don't understand,
  ASK!
  If it has to do with your role, feel free to PM me directly.
• Treat this game as a commitment; if you're going to be gone for longer than 48 hours (not counting weekends),
  let us know
  . I will replace severely inactive players, but your fellow players may choose to lynch you themselves first.
• Any action which would be illegal to
  actually do
  is also illegal to
  fake
  (for example, posting a
  made-up
  PM that shows a Cop result of guilty/innocent).
  
• Robust cryptographyand steganography are not allowed in my games.
• As long as it doesn't break any of the other rules, any player can post anything during twilight.
  
• Dark red is my colour. Don't use it.
  (Note:This only applies to game threads)
  
• I may add or alter rules at any time if I feel it is needed.
  
• Have fun; don't be an ass;
  participate
  !

Amendments:

• If two or more players are tied with enough votes for a deadline lynch, the aforementioned players' votes will be ignored for purposes of comparison. If they are still tied, the player who has had the required # of votes for the longest continuous time is lynched.
• If a player consistently flouts good practice on activity/attitude, etc., on my discretion I will 'card' them for that type of offence.
  
  
• On the next offence of the type a player was carded for they will be taken out of the game by a means of my choosing as soon as possible.
  
  
• If a player shows consistent, exemplary behavior pertinent to their card for a minimum of 4 pages(100 posts) or if circumstances intervene, a player may be uncarded at my discretion.
  
  
• Cards do not carry over to replacements.

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Setup:

3 Mafia goons

You are a Mafia goon

, along with your partners XXXXX and XXXXX. Every night you may talk to your partners on [this] Quicktopic. Every night you may collectively choose(via PM) one person to kill. You win when you make up the majority of all players alive or when no town actions can prevent the same.

1 Cop

You are a Cop.

Every night you may choose(via PM) one person to investigate for alignment. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

1 Jailkeeper

You are a Jailkeeper.

Every night you may choose(via PM) one person to protect from a kill. In addition, the protected person will not be able to execute any individual night choices. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Note:The Jailkeeper cannot block Mafia NK's.

11 Townies

You are a Townie.

You have no night choice or any other powers. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated

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Now entering confirmation stage.

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HAHA, YOU CONFIRMED THIRD, BITCH!

/confirm, not

Confirm

.

Bitch.

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Confirmedededed

Really!?

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17 min, 5 confirms, at this rate the game will start in about 45 min.

Fail.

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Day 1 starts now

With 16 alive, it'll take 9 votes to lynch and 6 to lynch at a deadline.

Pomegranate:V/LA noted.

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oh wait, looks like people agree.

In this thread most people are mafia. (Very possible that the mod simply made a typo in the rules, and that there are really

thirteen

scum.)

spamming the thread

Meta me. It's my job. More addiction than job, actually. It's a work in progress.

Serious mode. I don't mean your idea is terrible. It's definitely not a bad idea, though I need to think about it more before I decide I like it or not. But that's not the point. The point is that everyone racing to a no-lynch without playing around at least for a little while is terrible. We should still play out the game like any other and poke around for suspects, for several reasons.

• The obvious: For the mafia, misinformation or (more pertinently here) lack of information is key, whereas for the town, information is key. Racing to no-lynch with zero conversation on day one, and then—assuming the jailkeeper guesses wrong—losing a man on night 1 is like injecting night 0 into the game. It's unnecessary given that we have the power to
  talk
  and it puts us a night behind the mafia in terms of population.
  
  
• The less obvious (but still obvious): Conversation will help the cop narrow down investigation options. Even if one of our resident baddies does not slip up logically, gut reads based on a full day 1 are better than gut reads based on the confirmation phase.
  
  
• Going from obvious to semi-obvious here: Not racing to no-lynch gives us the time to make sure Charter-scum or bandwagon-scum is seeing something, i.e., a loophole, that bandwagon-town or Charter-town missed. Granted, it looks fine by me, but that's the point. Anyway, that's a side note.
  
  
• Given the enormous percentage of townies, the mafia
  must
  make a kill every night in order to stay in the game. If we approach day 1 conventionally and throw around theories, suspicions, etc., then we'll have some background info when day 2 dawns and some sorry corpse rolls around. Even taking kill motivation WIFOM into consideration, some info about interaction is better than none.
  
  
• I think I had some other relatively minor reasons, but I forgot them. Regardless, this last one is
  crucial
  :

  You are a Cop.

  Every night you may choose(via PM) one person to investigate for alignment. Even if successful,

  you are not guaranteed to get accurate results

  . You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

  Think about it. Sixteen players, thirteen of which are town. That's 81.25%. Unless my math's off (not my forte, honestly), mafia's quickest route to victory is
  five
  consecutive days with mis-lynches coupled with
  five
  consecutive nights with successful kills, at which point three goons endgame three townies. That's one tall feat, and even then it's worst case scenario for the town—it'd require a massive meltdown, months of utterly demented scum hunting. And it's even tougher when you factor in no-lynches, which would, what, double the number of days it'd take?
  
  Now, add in a cop and the mafia's job becomes all but impossible ("hard" being quite the understatement). Only 18.75% of the crew is scum, so it's less likely the cop will peg scum than in 25% scum setup, but even then the mere existence of a cop, especially when mafia doesn't even have a roleblocker, is devastating.
  
  You know where this is going. The cop is not sane.

So. This post surprised me and turned into a wall-o'-text. The last bullet hadn't struck me until halfway through. If I had to choose, I'd say the cop is

not

sane. Specifically, paranoid or naive (or random, but that's bastardly).

If the cop is non-sane and if we no-lynch without doing much talking until, say, day three or four, then suddenly we don't have much breathing room. We've got our heads in the sand and we've gone all the way from 13–3 to 10– or 9–3, which is standard mini normal fare.

And

we've got however many investigation results that we can't make head or tail of.

Discuss.

Crap...The cop PM I sent isn't exactly the same as the the one I posted. Mea Culpa, I'll go fix that.

Edit:Fixed. I changed what what was posted to what was sent.

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Speaking of which:

Scigatt, is there a set deadline? If so, when?

Not at this moment. If I think you're all really inactive or deadlocked or whatever, I'll impose one. It's a judgment call.

Also, when I do vote counts(top of the page, if I've done it), can you say if I've gotten something wrong?

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I will be V/LA from now until approximately 7:00 PM Tuesday, October 13th (GMT -6.)
Going on a college visit.

Good luck with that.

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mod:please prod Team Aether

Done

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Replacing Team Aether

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Empking replaces Team Aether

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Scigatt - Extremely scummy. Always typing in dark red. Watch out.

lol

Anyways, sorry about being slack on prods and the like. Will look into that today/tomorrow.

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/confirm

What game do you think this is? This is Mafia 102.

Anyways, if you want to replace in this game, go to the signup thread, dude. Chances are, you'll get into this game soon.

I'll probably be looking into prods/replacements later today.

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Will prod maskman, charter, le Chat, X_~, and Kaiveran

Will attempt to replace CSL

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RayFrost replaces CSL

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EC, seems REALLY scummy. His defenses suck, you would think he would be kind of upset that he is being attacked by pretty much everyone. Yet, EC tries to prove people wrong.

FoS Etherealcookie

As much as I don't like EC, your reasoning fails. What would YOU do if everyone attacked you? Prove them right by getting lynched?

I always thought that I was playing with a bunch of adults here.

I nominate this as your most insightful post so far. Even if your 'small 14 year old brain' can't digest a bunch of words that your eyes showed it, I'm sure you have a few things bouncing around in that hallow box you call a head.
Think about it. If I showed you a picture of something you don't comprehend at all, you will still form opinions on it. If you cannot respond to this, I consider you either useless or scum. Once I think about it myself, I think imma end up with the first one even if you do have some good thoughts.

I'll stare at my computer screen a little more later and come up with some st00f regarding votes later, for many men ate an apple without thorns. Also I would like my yellow tombstone to be covered in blue cheese. Would mafia members explain their vote? Regarding the epic dolphins Crypto has recently purchased, I want a slice of your butter hands for cross examination. It will profit you.

If I weren't so short on replacements I'd throw you into the loony bin. Also...

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Super Accurate* Vote Count(as of post 300):

RayFrost - 1(mask man)
hiphop - 1(charter)
Staple - 3(le Chat, hiphop, crypto)
crypto - 1(X_~)
X_~ - 2(EtherealCookie, Sando)
Pomegranate - 1(SerialClergyman)
bigmc109 - 1(Empking)

Not Voting:Staple, Kaiveran, bigmc109, Pomegranate, muh316, RayFrost

*Not guaranteed to be accurate.

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Also, for the forum move, I probably won't do anything special. Just talk until the site goes down and pick up when the site is up.

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Dudes, read this while you still can:viewtopic.php?t=12392

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Sorry, Mod. I was voting for Staple.

That's alright

Also, I'm replacing X_~, but not until after the move.

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Sorry, Mod. I was voting for Staple.

That's alright

Also, I'm replacing X_~, but not until after the move.

Additionally, le Chat and charter will be prodded after the move.

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Sorry, Mod. I was voting for Staple.

That's alright

Also, I'm replacing X_~, but not until after the move.

Additionally, le Chat and charter will be prodded after the move.

Instead of charter, I'll be prodding RayFrost.

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Mod is the deadline October 30?

There's no set deadline as of yet. I'll let you know when there is one.

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MOD, what is the status of prods/replacements

I feel like only half the players in this game are participating and it hurting the game bad.

After the forum move. I'll probably throw in a deadine for good measure too.

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Due to certain circumstances, former posts 499, 500, and 502 have been deleted from the thread. However, anyone currently in the game or their replacements may PM me to see those posts along with the reasoning for the deletion.

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@Mod: Can I replace out please?

Sorry guys but I just don't have the time to give this game the attention it deserves. Hope this does not influence future games we play together.

Because he asked, Staple will be replaced. I'll still hold off on the mass cleanup, though, until after the move.

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WarWound replaces Staple.

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Wasn't RayFrost prodded? I wonder where he is...

@Mod- was RayFrost prodded? Did he respond?

I'll do that after the move, I told you.

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Wasn't RayFrost prodded? I wonder where he is...

@Mod- was RayFrost prodded? Did he respond?

I'll do that after the move, I told you.

And when will that be?

It was supposed to be four days ago.

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@WW page 2

@Scigatt-Why wait until after the move? Why not now? The game should be just as active until the move. My other games everybody is just as active. Nobody is absent. The move will happen when it happens. Until it does lets play mafia.

I don't think that doing a mass cleanup like that would be productive considering that the forum could go down within the next 24 hours for an unknown length of time.

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Because he asked for it, looking for a replacement for Rayfrost.

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malpascp replaces RayFrost

Also, if that move doesn't come by Monday, I'm doing that cleanup.

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You know what, screw the damn move, mass prod coming shortly.

Also...

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Super Accurate* Vote Count(as of post 575):

malpascp - 1(mask man)
WarWound - 3(le Chat, muh316, Pomegranate)
crypto - 1(X_~)
muh316 - 1(Sando)
bigmc109 - 6(WarWound, charter, Empking, SerialClergyman, malpascp, crypto)
charter - 1(hiphop, EtherealCookie)
Pomegranate - 1(Kaiveran)

Not Voting:bigmc109

*Not guaranteed to be accurate.

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I'm alive and well, thank you for the concern mod. I have posted with my 'moving sucks' st00f, thought we could relate there. I assume you just prodded anyone that hasn't spoken for 12 hours though.

Everyone got prodded.

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Mod - if it's not too much trouble, could you add a line in your vote counts saying how many needed to lynch? IE 12 people alive, 7 needed for lynch? That'd be a big help. Thanks.

From now on, sure.
FYI:9 to lynch, 6 at deadline

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Do you really think that the flakers really should get 48 hrs, when that have already not posted for over 96?

I don't think 24 hrs. is enough, generally, if that's what you're asking.

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Looking for replacements for X_~, le Chat, muh316

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Pyromaniac replaces le Chat. Still looking for the other two replacements.

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People Im alive. I have to go to sleep right now for school Dont replace me.

I won't, but only because I'm short on replacements. I warned you twice to post in the thread, though.

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Ojanen replaces X_~. Looking for EC's replacement.

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Trumpet of Doom replaces EtherealCookie.

Also, now that I have all the replacements taken care of:

I am setting a deadline of November 7, 6 pm Pacific.

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Why aren't you on the vote count, pyro?

Fixed

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Super Accurate* Vote Count(as of post 650):

malpascp - 1(mask man)
WarWound - 3(Pyromaniac, muh316, Pomegranate)
crypto - 1(Ojanen)
muh316 - 1(Sando)
bigmc109 - 5(WarWound, charter, Empking, SerialClergyman, malpascp)
charter - 1(hiphop)
Pomegranate - 2(Kaiveran, crypto)
Empking - 1(EtherealCookie)

Not Voting:bigmc109

It takes 9 to lynch, 6 at deadline.

*Not guaranteed to be accurate.

Good thing you put the bottom part in. Pomegranate is voting muh316.

Fixed.

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Coincidentally, before her vote she was tied with BMC for the most votes. Her vote put BMC ahead by one. Hmm. Wonder what the motive for that gem is . . .

Am I missing something in the votecount?

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Prodded malpascp and Ojanen.

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mod- please prod Muh

Will check up on muh316 and Sando.

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Actually, I take it back. I didn't see WarWound ask if we wanted him to hammer. Still suspicious, but not as much as I thought.

but i did ask if you guys wanted me to hammer

I know, you dink. I mean that I missed it my first time reading through.

Pom, you scum?

Pom, please don't answer that. I'm gonna double-check the wagon. You can keep talking, though.

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Final D1 Vote count:

muh316 - 1(Sando)
bigmc109 - 4(SerialClergyman, Pyromaniac, Pomegranate,Empking)

Pomegranate - 9(Kaiveran, crypto, hiphop, charter, bigmc109, mask man, malpascp, Ojanen, WarWound)

SerialClergyman - 1(muh316)

Not Voting:Trumpet of Doom

Pomegranate is lynched D1. She was a Vanilla Townie.

You have 96 hours to get your Night Actions in, but due to some players being unable to be at the site, that will likely get extended.

You may also, if you wish, delete your Role PMs.

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Now that they're finally getting to the move, I'll probably make night last until after that. Don't know about night action deadlines, though.

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After a long restful night, you get together for a wholesome day of lynching, but after a quick headcount you quickly realize that one of you is unaccounted for. You then find a body lying dead right in front of you, so there's that mystery solved.

After a hasty autopsy, you figure out that it's

SerialClergyman, Townie, killed Night 1.

With 14 players alive, it will take 8 votes to lynch someone. It will take 6 votes to lynch at deadline.

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Will look into replacing Kaiveran.

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Hi. I'm back, still alive, and I'll catch up tomorrow morning.

..or so I thought.
I can't do this. I am getting sicker again. I'm getting mighty headaches for staring at the screen when I have fever, and stress from thinking about my games and all the catching up I need to do. I've got to drop out of one of them.
I'm sorry, and I'm sorry for not doing this before the V/LA, the ill-timed sickness sent my life to a bit of a mess.

@mod: please replace me

Looking for a replacement and prodding some people. Also, generally, I'd like to see some more activity here.

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peanutman replaces Ojanen

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@Mod:

I'm still alive, and willing to get serious about this game provided I get rid of my various other projects/distractions/general fuckarounds. If I am ever inactive again for more than two days without giving you any notice, replace me w/no questions asked.

Okay.

In fact I think I'll make that a new set of rules:

• If a player consistently flouts good practice on activity/attitude, etc., on my discretion I will 'card' them for that type of offence.
  
• On the next offence of the type a player was carded for they will be taken out of the game by a means of my choosing as soon as possible.
  
• If a player shows consistent, exemplary behavior pertinent to their card for a minimum of 4 pages(100 posts) or if circumstances intervene, a player may be uncarded at my discretion.
  
• Cards do not carry over to replacements.

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Kaiveran, malpascp, muh316, WarWound, and mask man are carded on activity.

Will prod bigmc109.

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Super Accurate* Vote Count(as of post 950):

bigmc109 - 6(charter, WarWound, Kaiveran, hiphop, crypto, Pyromaniac)
crypto - 3(Sando, muh316, bigmc109)
Kaiveran - 1(peanutman)
hiphop - 1(Empking)

Not Voting:Trumpet of Doom, mask man, malpascp

It takes 8 to lynch, 6 at deadline.

*Not guaranteed to be accurate.

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Dayvig: bigmc

Don't try that again.

Edit:Also, looking for replacement for Warwound.

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The Inquisition replaces WarWound.

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D2 is not over. The Inquisition was a replacement of WarWound, who was voting for bigmc109 before. Thus, bigmc109 was never over L-1.

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I really feel kinda bad about this because I didn't really participate much today, it went by a little faster then I expected. Are non D1's always like this?

Vote: BigMarkColon

Ehh, close enough.

Final D2 Vote count:

bigmc109 - 8(charter, Kaiveran, hiphop, Pyromaniac, Empking, The Inquisition, crypto, mask man)

crypto - 3(muh316, bigmc109, Sando)
Kaiveran - 1(peanutman)

Not Voting:Trumpet of Doom, malpascp

bigmc109 is lynched D2. He was a Mafia Goon.

I'm gonna try and find a replacement for malpascp. The 96 hour Night Action deadline will start after that.

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Kreriov replaces malpascp. The 96 hour night action deadline starts now.

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After a shorter, but still restful night, you get together for a wholesome day of lynching. You search high and low for a body to autopsy to no avail. You then do a quick headcount and realize that everyone survived the night, so there's that mystery solved.

With 13 players alive, it will take 7 votes to lynch someone. It will take 5 votes to lynch at deadline.

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@mod, is the cop guaranteed to be sane?

No.

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Sorry I've been away for a while. Will try to take care oh everyting that has come up ASAP.

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Crypto is carded for attitude.

Will prod Trumpet of Doom.

Edit: In fact, I think I'll card him.

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A Kaiveran replacement is forthcoming.

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Final D3 Vote count:

Sando - 7(Kaiveran, charter, hiphop, muh316, Trumpet of Doom, Kreriov, crypto)

muh316 - 2(The Inquisition, Empking)
charter - 1(Sando)

Not Voting:mask man, Pyromaniac, peanutman

Sando is lynched D3. He was a Townie.

I'll look into getting replacements I need and then I'll probably give an extended NA deadline.

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dramonic replaces Kaiveran.

The 96-hour NA deadline start now.

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After a long restful night, you get together for a wholesome day of lynching, but you immediately spot the corpse in the middle of town.

After a quick autopsy, you find out it's

muh316, Jailkeeper, killed Night 3.

With 11 players alive, it will take 6 votes to lynch someone. It will take 4 votes to lynch at deadline.

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Prodding The Inquisition. Looking to replace Empking.

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danakillsu replaces Empking

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No deadline yet.

Also, by request, looking to replace crypto.

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Prodding Trumpet of Doom(since I don't want to replace someone in his situation).
Replacing mask man.

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Rockatansky replaces mask man

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Final D4 Vote count:

Trumpet of Doom - 6(charter, hiphop, The Inquisition, danakillsu, crypto, Kreriov)

Pyromaniac - 2(peanutman, Trumpet of Doom)
The Inquisition - 1(Pyromaniac)

Not Voting:mask man, dramonic

Trumpet of Doom is lynched D4. He was a Mafia Goon.

Night action deadline starts now.

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Crypto is uncarded.

Also, I'm gonna throw out the card system.

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After a long restful night, you get together for a wholesome day of lynching, but you immediately spot the corpse in the middle of town.

After a quick autopsy, you find out it's

Pyromaniac, Townie, killed Night 4.

With 9 players alive, it will take 5 votes to lynch someone. It will take 4 votes to lynch at deadline.

test

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Damn, you're fast.

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Final D5 Vote count:

peanutman - 5(charter, dramonic, The Inquisition, hiphop, crypto)

Not Voting:mask man, danakillsu, Kreriov, peanutman

Trumpet of Doom is lynched D5. He was a Mafia Goon.

Town Wins!

Night actions:(You can probably figure them out by yourselves, but here they are anyways)

N1:
Cop(Kaiveran) investigates bigmc109.
Jailkeeper(muh316) protects/blocks crypto.
Scum(bigmc109, Ojanen, Trumpet of Doom) kill SerialClergyman.

N2:
Cop(Kaiveran) investigates muh316.
Jailkeeper(muh316) protects/blocks crypto.
Scum(peanutman, Trumpet of Doom) kill crypto.

N3:
Cop(dramonic) investigates Empking.
Jailkeeper(muh316) protects/blocks crypto.
Scum(peanutman, Trumpet of Doom) kill muh316.

N4:
Cop(dramonic) investigates peanutman.
Scum(peanutman) kill Pyromaniac.

Afterlife thread
Scum chat

Edit:The reign of dark red text is over.

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Good game. My guesses after I died sucked, but I picked up bigmc. Would have bet my mother on crypto being scum. Charter is always amusing to play with. I tried so hard not to think you were scum until you said the cop shouldn't claim because they might be paranoid or naive - because outing them in that scenario is totally useless to scum rofl

You thought I was scum?

And I agree, how was this a balanced setup?

Well, the start of my thinking considering that town in 2-10 plain setups have had an abysmal record(If I recall correctly). There was also a lot of figuring with possibilities of how lynched would go, but eventually I settled on this setup.