Mini 861: Hellsing Mafia - (Game Over!)

[saberwolf]

Amished, looking through your ISO, you voted for doombunny and then explained why I and neo were scum.

If we were scum why vote for bunny? Also, why was no reason attached then either?

[Amished]

You're all scum, so it doesn't matter who I really vote for. Net's 144 is scummy enough to make me the most confident that he's scum out of all 3 of you. No suspects = scum. There's plenty to go on.

[Amished]

EBWOP: Sabre's chainsaw defense of Net is noted.

[Netopalis]

(Just a side note in regards to my post: The lack of content/scumhunting NOW does not preclude such discussions later. I'm just really bad at the opening parts of the game and I'm choosing to identify that now before it causes trouble for the game)

[saberwolf]

I've never played with Amished before...can anyone tell me if he's this noob in his other games too?

I have no choice but to vote you, on the account of you're cherry picking, as well as providing very poor reasoning:

neo =scum: cause he hasn't been able to provide us with more info than anyone else
saber = scum: because he made a joke
doom = scum: cause he made a joke, guilty by association

I'm sorry, but it just reads off as scum playing on what everyone else has already said, and then attempting to slide in, but when called upon it, provide very poor reasoning.

unvote; vote: Amished

[saberwolf]

(Just a side note in regards to my post: The lack of content/scumhunting NOW does not preclude such discussions later. I'm just really bad at the opening parts of the game and I'm choosing to identify that now before it causes trouble for the game)

this I understand because I'm that way too. I normally am the room jester until someone effectively gets us out of RVS.

[saberwolf]

EBWOP: Sabre's chainsaw defense of Net is noted.

Amished's attempt at a spiked buddy shield is noted

[Amished]

Ahh, ad hom too. Good deal. I love how you're attacking *me* for things other people have said as well. Why not attack them?

Cause I'm right and you're insta-omgus'ing me like the scum you are.

Also, thank you for the strawmanning, it's helping your cause, keep at it.

[Netopalis]

Uh, yeah. Not seeing why my posts are so inflammatory. The simple fact of the matter is that until Amished started talking, nobody had really said much of substance to go on. Now, the question is whether Amished's posts are stupidity or scumidity.

[saberwolf]

Amished: we have attacked the others for it, but we were on a much minor level then. For example I did confront chaco on voting for me for my joke, if you care to read.

They were the ones who voted to pressure us into doing something for the game instead of clowning around, and I understand and respect that.

But you....you just call three people out as scum with no real evidence whatsoever.

[Amished]

I didn't say they were inflammatory, care to point out where anybody had said that?

Care to state why you refuse to believe that people have different playstyles than you, instead of relegating them to stupid (ad-hom) or scum (which you have no proof of, and won't?)

You can always pick out something to go on. I don't care what day or page you it is currently.

[Amished]

@Sabre: I've presented my evidence. Reactions to jokes are also telling, as well as having to joke around at a certain point of the game, especially after the RVS we had. 144 as well at Net's first post are what I have for evidence as to his guilt.

I'm using a loose definition of evidence as there will *never* be a clear cut tell that only scum always do. My evidence is what I believe to be compelling alignment-telling posts. In said posts, the alignment of the poster is clearly not the same as my own.

As an aside, I agreed with Chaco's reasoning about the jokes, and I don't feel he should've let that go so easily.

[saberwolf]

I do believe in different playstyles Amished, otherwise if everyone was like me, we'd simply tell jokes all day, or if we were like chaco, the worst jokester would get lynched

I'm not after you for your playstyle, I'm after your reasonings and what seems like opportunism.

But ok, I'll give you a chance...come on, we're both online right now, lets collectively analize the game so far, and explore other parts too.

[Amished]

@Sabre: Why is it no longer minor *now* that I've called joking at that point (and voting for it) scummy? Chaco did the same thing, and voted for it as well.

Again, you shouldn't need pressure to advance the game. Scum try not to advance it, while town do. Thank you for admitting you're scum by not trying to advance it on your own.

What else do you want to talk about? In a game with nights, I will not talk about my pro-town reads (of which I have several at this point), all else is fair game.

[Amished]

Question for you: Why did you not follow through on your decision to RVS konowa, after seeing that he voted for you first?

[saberwolf]

@Sabre: I've presented my evidence. Reactions to jokes are also telling, as well as having to joke around at a certain point of the game, especially after the RVS we had. 144 as well at Net's first post are what I have for evidence as to his guilt.

I'm using a loose definition of evidence as there will *never* be a clear cut tell that only scum always do. My evidence is what I believe to be compelling alignment-telling posts. In said posts, the alignment of the poster is clearly not the same as my own.

As an aside, I agreed with Chaco's reasoning about the jokes, and I don't feel he should've let that go so easily.

I was posting before I saw this, but it doesn't change anything.

I kinda like this explanation, but I only have one problem with it. You are contradicting yourself, because at first you say you like jokes because the responses to them can be telling (which is the whole reason I do it, it's my way of scumhunting at the beginning), but then you say you agree with Chaco, and Chaco said there is no place for jokes at this point, and doesn't like the jokes.

[saberwolf]

Question for you: Why did you not follow through on your decision to RVS konowa, after seeing that he voted for you first?

Because I felt he won a little minigame. It's like the fastest gunman thing. I just didn't get there in time. So I simply moved on to another random person.

[Amished]

Yes, there is no place for jokes, as town should advance the game (and jokes don't do that as it's not game related content). Jokes therefore come from scum, (which is good, easier to find them) and those reacting "favorably" (haha you're awesome, I'm *never* going to vote for you) are also scum (which is good, as we're still finding more scum). Jokes have no place from a town perspective, while scum can, and the town should capitalize.

[saberwolf]

ok question swapping time:

amish, who is the most effective lurker as of right now and why?

[Amished]

So you wouldn't vote for somebody voting for you right away? Why is that logical? (don't answer that q); Why did you want to vote for him immediately before the game started?

[saberwolf]

Yes, there is no place for jokes, as town should advance the game (and jokes don't do that as it's not game related content). Jokes therefore come from scum, (which is good, easier to find them) and those reacting "favorably" (haha you're awesome, I'm *never* going to vote for you) are also scum (which is good, as we're still finding more scum). Jokes have no place from a town perspective, while scum can, and the town should capitalize.

ok, problem with this, I DO IT EVERY GAME. FYI, I've not been scum every single game, and I'm not scum now either.

[saberwolf]

So you wouldn't vote for somebody voting for you right away? Why is that logical? (don't answer that q); Why did you want to vote for him immediately before the game started?

simply because I've played in games with him before and I recognized him and was like, right, he's got my vote, just because of that.

[Amished]

Ahh, but post 12 says you are.

Also, it depends on when the joking occurs, do you do it after the RVS has ended?

At a glance, Forb and Konowa haven't posted a lot, and are being the "best" lurkers.

[Amished]

Also, since you only looked at Konowa to vote early on, does that mean you haven't played with anybody else?

[Amished]

Also: So you wouldn't vote for somebody voting you right off the blocks? Why not?