Mini 858 - Dexter Season One (Game Over)

[don_johnson]

^^ is this a case on yourself?

[SocioPath]

^^ is this a case on yourself?

Its a case of, seeing the "Top 3 list' list 4 people, and having me and DDD in the same spot it is easy to conclude with an ISO on both of us as to why he stated his list like that. Budja's ineptitude to notice that and instead only getting information that is handed to him on a silver platter also what I was getting at.

But I call'em as I see'em.

[chamber]

And this hypothetical is that you are scum. Why would you include that in there?

Wait, what the hell? You just said 'town defend scum' as if you're scum. Explain.

"or scum for that matter" was intended as a hypothetical

from your pov

. I lead with town and added "for that matter" to indicate as such. My actions aren't scummy imo so there is every reason to defend them.

[charter]

SP can read my mind. I'm clueless as to why people aren't voting chamber, why?

[Budja]

Budja's ineptitude to notice that

I had noticed that but I wanted to hear it from charter.

[Juls]

Vote Count

AlmasterGM

( )

don_johnson

( )

Budja

( )

chamber

(Cyberbob, charter, AlmasterGM)

charter

()

Cyberbob

( )

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( )

Jebus

(Debonair Danny DiPietro, SocioPath)

Konowa

(don_johnson)

Locke Lamora

( )

SocioPath

( )

Sotty7

( )

Not Voting :

Jebus, Konowa, Locke Lamora, Sotty7, chamber, Budja

Deadline :

November 4

Notes:

Konowa is V/LA until Wednesday.
Jebus has been prodded.

[chamber]

As far as I`m concerned I still have a `vote` on charter, I`m just using my own suggestion, as such I thought his question was kind of pointless. I have no read of ddd, he hasn`t said much for me to get a read on. I`m working on evaluating everyone else. Speaking of which can almaster answer my questions please.

1. Is charter scummy in your opinion?
2. Do you really have no read on everyone else?

Missed this some how.
1 charter is scummy imo.
2 Its not that I have no reads on anyone, they just aren't strong. I feel much worse about almaster than when I said that. I need to meta him before I'm sure if its him being him, or him being scum.

[charter]

Why am I scummy? This should be good.

[Locke Lamora]

DDD: if Chamber's using the same phrasing and argumentation that you have personally, does that make you think that he's more likely to be pro-town? Do you agree with the substance of his arguments?

SocioPath: do you think Budja's 'ineptitude' is scummy?

I think the 'what advantage do I gain as scum' line of questioning is pretty WIFOM-y, both in the questions and answers. The advantage may be nothing more than offering contributions and appearing pro-town. The question in itself makes the assumption that scum always does things that are aimed at gaining a specific advantage for the scumteam. Almaster's answers are plausible but again operate under the same assumption. Chamber is using WIFOM questions to make Almaster's attack look weak and Almaster is reaching to justify his original vote, which was made on the basis that Chamber was still fishing and that he put forward a bad proxy-voting idea. I'm liking Almaster a lot less after that justification but the fact that Chamber doesn't even have any specific meta that influences his opinion on millers makes me seriously doubt his motives in wanting Budja dead.

Charter: so you think Konowa is more likely to be scum than Chamber?

[charter]

No, after 168 chamber is scummiest.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD: if Chamber's using the same phrasing and argumentation that you have personally, does that make you think that he's more likely to be pro-town? Do you agree with the substance of his arguments?

It's been a pretty punchless version of it and lately he's just descended into WIFOM overload. I also went and did a reread based on my normal trend analysis and Chamber comes up as most likely scum based on that as well.

My big issue is that of those who also registered with a higher liklihood of being scum only Konowa struck me as being a possible partner with AGM, Budja, and Cyberbob pushing too hard too early for them to be partners.

[SocioPath]

SocioPath: do you think Budja's 'ineptitude' is scummy?

I do.

From my experience, the people that repeatedly ask me the same questions over and over (which is annoying because I hate repeating myself) also actually tend to be scum. A huge percentage of the time. And with that goes not reading the thread. The more inane the questioning is, the more likely that the person is scum.

And I get that with Budja's question. I'd be hard pressed to find anyone who could look at that list, see how he combined Triple D and myself, look at our posts, and NOT find a reasoning as to why.

But Budja CLAIMS to have noticed that. So that makes it even worse. If he KNEW WHY, then the question itself is already invalid.
Unless he actually thinks that charter made a Top 3 list, accidentally listed 4 people by mistake, and then proceeds to list me and Triple D in the same slot, which to we just happen to be voting for the same person, just to happen to be for similar reasons as well...
OBVIOUSLY charter knew why he put me and Triple D together.

The entire Budja crap is just too far contrived to be believable.

Unvote
Vote: Budja

[Budja]

Thats an odd response and a pretty weak reason for a vote.

I suspected that it was because of DDD but I wanted confirmation. Its best not to assume when you can simply ask .
Then, I wanted to know why.

Note that I do actually see charter as pro-town at this point but I like knowing people's motivations for there suspicions,etc.

[AlmasterGM]

I'm confused as to what was so bad about my answer.

[Sotty7]

I have to apologize. I'm sick and have fallen out of the loop so to speak. I will try and correct this tomorrow.

[Juls]

Vote Count

AlmasterGM

( )

don_johnson

( )

Budja

(SocioPath)

chamber

(Cyberbob, charter, AlmasterGM)

charter

()

Cyberbob

( )

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( )

Jebus

(Debonair Danny DiPietro)

Konowa

(don_johnson)

Locke Lamora

( )

SocioPath

( )

Sotty7

( )

Not Voting :

Jebus, Konowa, Locke Lamora, Sotty7, chamber, Budja

Deadline :

November 4

Notes:

Konowa is V/LA until Wednesday.

[Sotty7]

Vote: Konowa

After a re-read I'm not feeling the wagon on chamber. Konowa's initial attacks on me still feel very off in the face of charter's actions.

SocioPath's vote on Budja is pretty strange to me. I often ask people to explain why they are voting for someone even if I might know the answer. To hear them explain in their own words can be helpful in deciding if the suspicion is genuine or not.

[Locke Lamora]

SocioPath: have you never asked someone questions about their reasoning in a situation where you think you know what that reasoning is?

I'm confused as to what was so bad about my answer.

The backtracking comment pretty much made it a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' scenario. If Chamber had backtracked, you've had said he was scummy. He didn't backtrack, so your response was that he was scummy for avoiding doing something that would have looked scummy.

I've already pointed out why I thought your answer was bad and WIFOM-y. Arguably you answered in that way because of the question that was posed, but I think you were reaching with those reasons and that indicates a desire to paint Chamber in as scummy a light as possible rather than simply pointing out that the question was WIFOM. You also haven't answered Chamber's questions in response to yours or addressed my opinion of your answer. Why do you think your answer was good?

Sotty: I assume you're referring to Konowa's line of attack against you taking place in the context of charter already having name claimed?

[charter]

My daily, "Let's lynch chamber!" post.

[SocioPath]

SocioPath: have you never asked someone questions about their reasoning in a situation where you think you know what that reasoning is?

SocioPath's vote on Budja is pretty strange to me. I often ask people to explain why they are voting for someone even if I might know the answer. To hear them explain in their own words can be helpful in deciding if the suspicion is genuine or not.

Except the difference here is, it wasn't a vote, and more importantly, it wasn't a single person he was asking about.

He didn't ask about the first 2 people on the list, he asked about the last 2, 2 people that weren't even separated by a comma, just a forward slash. Implying they were related already. Its pretty easy to pinpoint accusations when you have 2 people to draw similarities from.

To play it off as just a 'explanation as to why' is silly. It was obvious as to why, to claim otherwise is just feigning ignorance. The types of people that try to feign the most ignorance are those that are actually more informed, i.e. scum.

So lets see where this vote takes us.

And lets see if Triple D has anything to say either way. Considering he is an essential part of this whole equation.

[Konowa]

Will post tomorrow when I have more time.

[Jebus]

Still here, and caught up. V/LA till this weekend, thanks to an exam -.-

[Cyberbob]

My daily, "Let's lynch chamber!" post.

Basically this, though I will have more to say on other things this evening when I get home.

[chamber]

No, after 168 chamber is scummiest.

My 168 makes perfect sense. If I'm trying to judge something you've said, why would I assume you know that I'm town? Especially when you've made it clear you think otherwise.

After reading games GM has been in on this site I'm more confused about him. Apparently he's been playing for 4+ years on other site(s).

[Juls]

Vote Count

AlmasterGM

( )

don_johnson

( )

Budja

(SocioPath)

chamber

(Cyberbob, charter, AlmasterGM)

charter

()

Cyberbob

( )

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( )

Jebus

(Debonair Danny DiPietro)

Konowa

(don_johnson, Sotty7)

Locke Lamora

( )

SocioPath

( )

Sotty7

( )

Not Voting :

Jebus, Konowa, Locke Lamora, chamber, Budja

Deadline :

November 4

Notes:

None.