Mini 857 Disney Movie Mafia 2 - The Classics (Roll Credits)

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

MonkeyMan576 (5) - Starbuck, StrangerCoug, Crazy, semioldguy, fuzzylightning
Gorrad (2) - kmd4390, Brandi
Starbuck (1) - MonkeyMan576
Crazy (1) - ZONEACE
fuzzylightning (1) - chamber
Brandi (1) - Gorrad
chamber (1) - Jazzmyn

Limited access of StrangerCoug noted
If ZONEACE has not picked up his prod by this time tomorrow he will be replaced
Deadline for day one falls in 11 days, October 17th

[Brandi]

So far, I don't see the case on Monkeyman as being better than my Brandi read. If what Semioldguy said is the only strikes against him, he's not worth lynching yet.

Please, for all our sakes, read the first game if you think my D1 lurking is suspect. It's generally what I do.

Scumtells are scumtells regardless of it's just what a player "does." No free passes for you.

[chamber]

So far, I don't see the case on Monkeyman as being better than my Brandi read. If what Semioldguy said is the only strikes against him, he's not worth lynching yet.

Please, for all our sakes, read the first game if you think my D1 lurking is suspect. It's generally what I do.

Scumtells are scumtells regardless of it's just what a player "does." No free passes for you.

This is 100% incorrect. Actions are independently(of person) pro or anti town but still dependent on setup. However a scumtell is something that indicates someone is scum. Therefore if its something someone does as either alignment then its not a scum tell.

[MonkeyMan576]

So far, I don't see the case on Monkeyman as being better than my Brandi read. If what Semioldguy said is the only strikes against him, he's not worth lynching yet.

Please, for all our sakes, read the first game if you think my D1 lurking is suspect. It's generally what I do.

Scumtells are scumtells regardless of it's just what a player "does." No free passes for you.

This is 100% incorrect. Actions are independently(of person) pro or anti town but still dependent on setup. However a scumtell is something that indicates someone is scum. Therefore if its something someone does as either alignment then its not a scum tell.

If you're anti-town as town and anti-town as scum, it doesn't excuse you being anti-town.

[chamber]

So far, I don't see the case on Monkeyman as being better than my Brandi read. If what Semioldguy said is the only strikes against him, he's not worth lynching yet.

Please, for all our sakes, read the first game if you think my D1 lurking is suspect. It's generally what I do.

Scumtells are scumtells regardless of it's just what a player "does." No free passes for you.

This is 100% incorrect. Actions are independently(of person) pro or anti town but still dependent on setup. However a scumtell is something that indicates someone is scum. Therefore if its something someone does as either alignment then its not a scum tell.

If you're anti-town as town and anti-town as scum, it doesn't excuse you being anti-town.

It doesn't indicate that you are scum though. Therefore the only time to lynch such a person is a policy lynch where you think their play style is more detrimental to the town then their chance of being town.

[Gorrad]

Lurking D1 is not something I do on purpose. It's not a "plan" or "strategy". It's a side-effect. The way I play is by waiting for someone to do something I don't like, then pouncing on them for it. So far, the only person who's done something I really haven't liked is Brandi.

[chamber]

Lurking D1 is not something I do on purpose. It's not a "plan" or "strategy". It's a side-effect. The way I play is by waiting for someone to do something I don't like, then pouncing on them for it. So far, the only person who's done something I really haven't liked is Brandi.

Are you sure that you have been reading fuzzylightnings posts?

[Brandi]

So far, I don't see the case on Monkeyman as being better than my Brandi read. If what Semioldguy said is the only strikes against him, he's not worth lynching yet.

Please, for all our sakes, read the first game if you think my D1 lurking is suspect. It's generally what I do.

Scumtells are scumtells regardless of it's just what a player "does." No free passes for you.

This is 100% incorrect. Actions are independently(of person) pro or anti town but still dependent on setup. However a scumtell is something that indicates someone is scum. Therefore if its something someone does as either alignment then its not a scum tell.

If you're anti-town as town and anti-town as scum, it doesn't excuse you being anti-town.

Agree 100%. Chamber, you are wrong. Sorry to break it to you.

Example: Self voting is a scum tell.
Player A always self votes.
Self voting is

STILL

a scumtell.
The end.

People who play like scum on purpose and to try to say "oh it's how I play, so you can't point fingers at me!" are retarded and I have no sympathy for them~ These types of people always hurt the town.

[Brandi]

Also, Gorrad's (baseless) tunnel visioning is amusing.

[chamber]

So far, I don't see the case on Monkeyman as being better than my Brandi read. If what Semioldguy said is the only strikes against him, he's not worth lynching yet.

Please, for all our sakes, read the first game if you think my D1 lurking is suspect. It's generally what I do.

Scumtells are scumtells regardless of it's just what a player "does." No free passes for you.

This is 100% incorrect. Actions are independently(of person) pro or anti town but still dependent on setup. However a scumtell is something that indicates someone is scum. Therefore if its something someone does as either alignment then its not a scum tell.

If you're anti-town as town and anti-town as scum, it doesn't excuse you being anti-town.

Agree 100%. Chamber, you are wrong. Sorry to break it to you.

Example: Self voting is a scum tell.
Player A always self votes.
Self voting is

STILL

a scumtell.
The end.

People who play like scum on purpose and to try to say "oh it's how I play, so you can't point fingers at me!" are retarded and I have no sympathy for them~ These types of people always hurt the town.

Still a scumtell in general? Sure. It is in no way a scumtell for that specific player though.

[Gorrad]

I don't "play like scum on purpose". I have a very set gamestyle, and one side-effect of it happens to be anti-town. I catch enough scum with it that I see no reason to change.

Chamber, thanks for having a brain. Brandi's posts trying to further a 100% OMGUS case on me are making me happy with my vote.

[semioldguy]

chamber and Gorrad are correct.

[Kmd4390]

Hmm. I pretty much have a town read on all of the active players (Starbuck, Monkey, Crazy, SC, chamber).

Still think Gorrad is scum. Maybe ZONE. Gut says

maybe

Brandi for some reason.

[semioldguy]

What about the other 3 players Kmd4390?

[Crazy]

Example: Self voting is a scum tell.
Player A always self votes.
Self voting is STILL a scumtell.
The end.

People who play like scum on purpose and to try to say "oh it's how I play, so you can't point fingers at me!" are retarded and I have no sympathy for them~ These types of people always hurt the town.

Being anti-town even when you're always anti-town is anti-town. But being anti-town when you're always anti-town is not scummy; it's a null-tell.

Our job is not to discourage anti-town play; it's to catch scum.

I don't give a darn about your RVS actions, but as for leaving an argument for it being crap, that's not how you handle such a situation. You explain why it is crap. If you're good at doing that, then the tide changes in your favor. BUT NO. You had to go cry in a corner. So that bit, yes, makes you scum.

I really don't like stuff like this, either. SC is basically saying, "This is what you should have done. You didn't do it. Thus, you are scum."

I do think Monkey is scummy in some ways, true. I just don't care for the ways that SC and Starbuck are going about it.

[StrangerCoug]

I find Starbuck's and SC's cases on him horrible. They mainly just add up to "He's defending Monkey."

chamber does not have a good reason to be defending MonkeyMan576. It is impossible for him at this stage to be cop with an innocent on him, and there have been legitimate cases made against MonkeyMan576.

And SC's post right before mine is one of the biggest strawmans I've ever seen.

There are other things MonkeyMan576 is guilty of too, but I pointed that particular one out for ironic effect.

Mod: Please note sig.

You don't have any reason to be riding me so hard. So I posted the same reason as Starbuck and admitted to not reading that particular post. Then I left an argument because it was crap. That makes me scum?

You've also attacked Starbuck over something that's pretty much pointless (was she busy IRL, or was she playing catch-up?).

I don't give a darn about your RVS actions, but as for leaving an argument for it being crap, that's not how you handle such a situation. You explain why it is crap. If you're good at doing that, then the tide changes in your favor.

BUT NO.

You had to go cry in a corner. So that bit, yes, makes you scum.

Why should I, when people like you won't be persueded by reason?

Reason? What reason?

Please, for all our sakes, read the first game if you think my D1 lurking is suspect. It's generally what I do.

Lurking D1 is not something I do on purpose. It's not a "plan" or "strategy". It's a side-effect. The way I play is by waiting for someone to do something I don't like, then pouncing on them for it. So far, the only person who's done something I really haven't liked is Brandi.

I'd have called these posts together logical fail, but the fourth sentence of the second quote is keeping me from jumping. Wait and pounce... That seems to fit what you're doing.

So far, I don't see the case on Monkeyman as being better than my Brandi read. If what Semioldguy said is the only strikes against him, he's not worth lynching yet.

Please, for all our sakes, read the first game if you think my D1 lurking is suspect. It's generally what I do.

Scumtells are scumtells regardless of it's just what a player "does." No free passes for you.

This is 100% incorrect. Actions are independently(of person) pro or anti town but still dependent on setup. However a scumtell is something that indicates someone is scum. Therefore if its something someone does as either alignment then its not a scum tell.

Your best post so far in this game.

I don't give a darn about your RVS actions, but as for leaving an argument for it being crap, that's not how you handle such a situation. You explain why it is crap. If you're good at doing that, then the tide changes in your favor. BUT NO. You had to go cry in a corner. So that bit, yes, makes you scum.

I really don't like stuff like this, either. SC is basically saying, "This is what you should have done. You didn't do it. Thus, you are scum."

You're overgeneralizing my attack. There

ARE

things that are scummy if you don't do them. I think you're also focusing on the wrong part of my statement. That he got up and left is scummier to me than if he had merely ignored it.

[Crazy]

You're overgeneralizing my attack. There ARE things that are scummy if you don't do them. I think you're also focusing on the wrong part of my statement. That he got up and left is scummier to me than if he had merely ignored it.

I wasn't looking at your whole attack, just that post, really. I gotta look more into what you've said before.

[Kmd4390]

Semi, which players?

[chamber]

Semi, which players?

Your post mentioned 8 players. Including yourself that makes 9. So I assume he meant the other 3 players in the game.

[Kmd4390]

k. Jazz looks town. Semi, I'm not sure on. Fuzzy, my beef on him is more of a playstyle thing, so not really sure how to take that.

[chamber]

k. Jazz looks town. Semi, I'm not sure on. Fuzzy, my beef on him is more of a playstyle thing, so not really sure how to take that.

Can you point me to a finished game where fuzzy was both town and played like he is now? I find him quite scummy in this game and would like to compare.

[Kmd4390]

I've never played with him.

[chamber]

I've never played with him.

How do you know what his typical playstyle is without having seen him play in previous games?

[Starbuck]

@Chamber - It seems to me like you are still trying to cover for Monkey's actions. I've played with him before and he is definitely capable of doing it himself, so why are you still doing it?

I also don't agree with you that either alignment would run like he did.

As SC has pointed out, you still haven't explained how my case is full of holes. Yes, I did originally vote Monkey and give a reason so for his reaction. He has done absolutely nothing to warrant me pulling my vote off him.



@ Crazy - What about chamber makes you think he's not scum? What about my case and about SC's case on chamber make it horrible? What makes SC's post 242 "one of the biggest strawmans" you've ever seen?

You don't have any reason to be riding me so hard. So I posted the same reason as Starbuck and admitted to not reading that particular post. Then I left an argument because it was crap. That makes me scum?

You left a discussion and didn't defend yourself. You said that you weren't coming back to the thread until that topic was over. You didn't start posting again until we asked you to be prodded and thusly asked for you to be replaced if you really didn't want to play. Then you ask why you even should defend yourself?? Monkey, for someone as seasoned in playing mafia as you, I find this very hard to believe. You are not playing as I have seen you play before.



@Gorrad - You are not doing the town any good by not participating in discussions and not taking part in scumhunting. You are tunneling on Brandi, what are your thoughts on everyone else playing?


@Brandi - On your self-voting point, I have been proved wrong more than once when I assumed that self-voting was a scum tell. It can be used to garner discussion, and to get things rolling. It is useful. It took me awhile to see that, but it is. I don't like that someone who has been on MS as long as you discounts this.

[MonkeyMan576]

@Chamber - It seems to me like you are still trying to cover for Monkey's actions. I've played with him before and he is definitely capable of doing it himself, so why are you still doing it?

I also don't agree with you that either alignment would run like he did.

As SC has pointed out, you still haven't explained how my case is full of holes. Yes, I did originally vote Monkey and give a reason so for his reaction. He has done absolutely nothing to warrant me pulling my vote off him.



@ Crazy - What about chamber makes you think he's not scum? What about my case and about SC's case on chamber make it horrible? What makes SC's post 242 "one of the biggest strawmans" you've ever seen?

You don't have any reason to be riding me so hard. So I posted the same reason as Starbuck and admitted to not reading that particular post. Then I left an argument because it was crap. That makes me scum?

You left a discussion and didn't defend yourself. You said that you weren't coming back to the thread until that topic was over. You didn't start posting again until we asked you to be prodded and thusly asked for you to be replaced if you really didn't want to play. Then you ask why you even should defend yourself?? Monkey, for someone as seasoned in playing mafia as you, I find this very hard to believe. You are not playing as I have seen you play before.



@Gorrad - You are not doing the town any good by not participating in discussions and not taking part in scumhunting. You are tunneling on Brandi, what are your thoughts on everyone else playing?


@Brandi - On your self-voting point, I have been proved wrong more than once when I assumed that self-voting was a scum tell. It can be used to garner discussion, and to get things rolling. It is useful. It took me awhile to see that, but it is. I don't like that someone who has been on MS as long as you discounts this.

Starbuck doesn't mind it when someone joins her on her bandwagon, but has a problem when someone disagrees with her. Double standard much?