Open 172 - Mini Love - GAME OVER!

[Looker]

Could you explain that, please?

VOTE COUNT

Khamisa (2): Netlava, dramonic
Vino (2): Khamisa, Head_Honcho
Yankee (2): Locke Lamora, Nikanor
animorpherv1 (1): Looker
dramonic (1): Snow_Bunny
Locke Lamora (1): Slepz
Nikanor (1): Yankee
Slepz (1): Vino
Snow_Bunny (1): animorpherv1

Not Voting (0)

With 12 Alive, 7 is needed to lynch.

[Looker]

O, okay, but Post 100 was in reference to the ratios.

[Head_Honcho]

It is actually a really and truly terrible plan. I don't know a lot about fractions but I don't think 2/8 gives us a much better chance than 3/12. However somebody mentioned role fishing and that is in essence exactly what is being suggested. The doc pool is significantly reduced from 1/8 to 1/6, or maybe not like I said I don't know much about fractions.

If we end up in a position where someone has claimed lover we will have to do some things but I won't go into that yet.

I am not sure if I find a bad idea to be inherently scummy.

Khamisa why do you think people are voting for you?

[Looker]

She probably doesn't, (there are only two.)

[Nikanor]

@Looker: Right now it's 3 VM (Vanilla Mafia), 8 VT (Vanilla Town), and 1 Doctor.
That gives us a 3:9, or 1:3 scum:town ratio, and a 8:1 townie:PR ratio.
Now, say both the lover sets die today, for whatever reason.
That leaves us with a 2:6, or 1:3 scum:town ratio, and a 5:1 townie:PR ratio.
I haven't included lovers as power roles here, since they are only useful in that they confirm each other if we lynch the other set of claimed lovers, for some reason.

[Head_Honcho]

okay the townie:pr ratio going up is not at all helpful after the game has started unless the scum:town ratio has gone down. It is not like they PRs are worth two.

[Head_Honcho]

I feel I should mention though, if this were to happen for some reason a better way to do it would be to have one lover from each set claim.

[Head_Honcho]

t-t-t-triple post Actually I could see some benefit from doing it that way.

[Nikanor]

okay the townie:pr ratio going up is not at all helpful after the game has started unless the scum:town ratio has gone down. It is not like they PRs are worth two.

It is useful because it gives our doc a better chance of saving someone.

[Nikanor]

I feel I should mention though, if this were to happen for some reason a better way to do it would be to have one lover from each set claim.

I heartily endorse this idea as much better than my own.

[Head_Honcho]

and in the same vein it gives the scum a better chance of killing the good doctor.

[Looker]

your dinosaur is cool

[Head_Honcho]

[Nikanor]

and in the same vein it gives the scum a better chance of killing the good doctor.

True. I agree with your plan of one person from each pair claiming.

[Looker]

yeah

[Looker]

yeah

[Locke Lamora]

Nikanor: so what's the plan if one lover from each pair claims? How do you see this playing out?

[Nikanor]

Nikanor: so what's the plan if one lover from each pair claims? How do you see this playing out?

Well, the advantage of this plan is that if we ever lynch the scum-town set of lovers, there will only be one claimed lover that can be killed by scum. That lover will be doc-protected, so we'll have confirmed town there, unless the scum can hit the other lover by chance.
If we lynch the pro-town lovers.... well, we'll lynch the other claimed lover.

[Khamisa]

HH: Because they apparently think the RVS is girly or kiddish.

[Vino]

Nikanor: so what's the plan if one lover from each pair claims? How do you see this playing out?

Well, the advantage of this plan is that if we ever lynch the scum-town set of lovers, there will only be one claimed lover that can be killed by scum. That lover will be doc-protected, so we'll have confirmed town there, unless the scum can hit the other lover by chance.
If we lynch the pro-town lovers.... well, we'll lynch the other claimed lover.

... which leaves us exactly where we were at before.

So you're basically telling me that we have a half-half chance of breaking even, and a half-half chance of having maybe one protected town

if

nothing happens to the doc, and still only barely breaking above even.

[Nikanor]

So you're basically telling me that we have a half-half chance of breaking even, and a half-half chance of having maybe one protected town if nothing happens to the doc, and still only barely breaking above even.

Well, we're not going to lynch our lovers off the bat.
Also, think of it like a cop claiming after the scum roleblocker has been killed in a cop-doc-RB game. The cop gets guaranteed protection, even if it does mean the doc is at greater risk.

only barely breaking above even.

So you still agree that we will break above even? Why are you opposing this plan, then?

[Vino]

Because in that plan, if anything happens to the doc, then we fall behind even. This all depends on the doc staying alive, and I wouldn't trust any plan with the survival of a doc. And even so, it still leaves us with the problems of knowing which lover to lynch, and of finding the other scum once the lovers are cleared. It really doesn't solve that many problems in my view.

Maybe on D2 or D3 we claim lovers. If we have no scum then it helps us narrow down scum targets to avoid LyLo. If we have flipped scum then helps us know which pair to lynch. Doing it right now is foolhardy.

I am not sure if I find a bad idea to be inherently scummy.

Why not? Is this an "in this case" situation or a general thought?

[Head_Honcho]

Surely you have had a well intentioned bad idea before. I've played 2.1 dear Vinocious.

I agree though that there is no reason to do any of this today.

Resume scumhunting.

unvote Vote: Khamisa

[dramonic]

we can get lovers to claim at a later moment in the game.

[Vino]

Surely you have had a well intentioned bad idea before. I've played 2.1 dear Vinocious.

Ouch. Your cut goes deep broseph

In any case your inquisition on Khamisa's votes was insightful but I think you were barking up the wrong tree.

dramonic and Netlava

, I'd like you to expand more on your Khamisa votes. Neither of them had any reason attached to them, and they both came at about the same time.