Open 172 - Mini Love - GAME OVER!

[molestargazer]

VOTE COUNT

Looker (2): Head_Honcho, Netlava
animorpherv1 (2): Looker, dramonic
dramonic (2): Snow_Bunny, Yankee
Yankee (2): Locke Lamora, Nikanor
Slepz (1): Vino
Snow_Bunny (1): animorpherv1
Vino (1): Khamisa
Locke Lamora (1): Slepz

Not Voting (0)

With 12 Alive, 7 is needed to lynch.

Figured I'd get one up now.

[Looker]

actually, they were a cult coupled with a bunch of serial killers.

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Vote: Ani

scared of L-2? Ridiculous <<

Nice

I'm really sick, I'll read and post something after I feel better.

Aw, hope you get well soon.

actually, they were a cult coupled with a bunch of serial killers.

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Vote: Ani

scared of L-2? Ridiculous <<

In the RVS? I think it's a bit much.

I wouldn't say I disagree. There's really not much you can go on right now unless you count the people pressing for a quick lynch, but, even then, that could possibly be playstyle in my opinion.

[dramonic]

*coughChartercuogh*

[Yankee]

how was placing a Random vote while no relevant conversation was going on scummy?

[Slepz]

how was placing a Random vote while no relevant conversation was going on scummy?

If it wasn't RVS tradition, it would seem scummy. But it was.

[Vino]

I try to avoid the beginning of the game because I always stick my foot in my mouth and I can never get any useful information from it. I still want to participate though even if I don't see anything worth commenting on much, so I figured I'd post and let you all know I'm not dead.

I'm not dead.

Let me know when you guys are done with the "Arguing about trivialities" stage.

[Yankee]

you should still be posting to try and get a feel of people, even if you dont want to..... Helps get the game moving...

[Head_Honcho]

unvote vote Vino

let me know when you're done with the refusing to contribute stage

[Looker]

*coughChartercuogh*

?

[Nikanor]

So who thinks the lovers should claim?
I'm pro-loverclaim.
Here are my reasons:
-The pro-town lovers will gain nigh immunity to night kills. If one set of lovers dies, we automatically lynch the other to catch scum.
-We can focus on other players, narrowing our day one lynch pool to eight.
However, I do acknowledge that it would put us in lylo after two mislynches, barring a doc protect, when it would usually only be mylo. I believe the pros outweigh the cons in this situation.

What do y'all think?

[Yankee]

The problem with that is that the two mafia goons could claim to be lovers and we might overlook them. I am not so sure that the benefits outweight the risk in this situation for the town, but i could be wrong...

[Nikanor]

The problem with that is that the two mafia goons could claim to be lovers and we might overlook them. I am not so sure that the benefits outweight the risk in this situation for the town, but i could be wrong...

It's an open game. False-claiming on day one is suicide.

[Vino]

let me know when you're done with the refusing to contribute stage

I am done thanks to Nikanor.

So who thinks the lovers should claim?

Anybody who wants town to lose. I generally frown on any kind of claiming D1 that doesn't involve L-1, but you're basically saying that if the two town players die, then we can lynch another of the lovers and make two more players die, to cause a total of 3 town deaths to kill 1 scum. I say we use the "scumhunting" method instead. Plus I would rather have the two town lovers be a secret. In the event that the scum-town lovers die, the town-town lovers can be a confirmable asset in a lylo situation, but if they're claimed then they get NK'd by scum in a 2 for 1.

[Netlava]

Pros:
NK "Immunity" for lovers

Cons:
"Immunity" isn't really "immunity" - Scum can NK them when conditions are right
Doc is easier to find
Possible 2 for 1 deal
If the 2 town lovers are lynched, remaining lover duo may remain untouchable due to lylo conditions
Not as fun

[Slepz]

I think it's a fine idea. The lylo problem will affect us regardless of claim.

[Khamisa]

I don't think trying to continue RVS is always scummy. I mean, come on, RVS is girly kiddish fun. Who doesn't love that?

[Netlava]

Unvote, vote: Khamisa

[dramonic]

achoo

Vote:Khamisa

ooooo

[Yankee]

I am going to vote Nikanor for trying to get lovers to claim their roles.... Seems odd to me, kind of like role fishing, but raising their probability of lynching a doctor, or either wanting a 2 for 1. But maybe this could be a good strategy, i just dont see it....

[Yankee]

EBWOP: Forgot to bold vote

unvote, Vote: Nikanor

[Nikanor]

Yup, I'm happy with my Yankee vote. I agree that Khamisa needs to do something, though.

But maybe this could be a good strategy, i just dont see it....

'Maybe this could be a good strategy, but I'm not going to try to debate it in order to better inform my decision. Instead, I'll vote the guy who thought of the plan!'

[Yankee]

its not that i dont want to debate it, it is that i dont feel it is worth risking 3 townies to catch 1 scum, when there would still be 2 undetermined scum out there..... Im not saying i dont think it wont work though, i am just saying it is asking the town to risk alot, and i dont know if i am willing to make that risk. Maybe my vote was a little early though, but i wasnt worried since it was the first vote on you

[Looker]

Slepz: what did you find unjustified about my vote?

People who don't pay attention: Yankee placed a random vote on page 3. He'd already posted once, that was contentless, then he stuck a humourous random vote on Dramonic. Doesn't strike me as someone looking for scum, he just wanted the RVS to keep going. I did say I thought he was doing that, if you read the post.

I see no problem with the perpetuation of RVS as long as it doesn't distract from the objectivity of conversation, unless, of course, that's what you're accusing him of intending.

let me know when you're done with the refusing to contribute stage

I am done thanks to Nikanor.

So who thinks the lovers should claim?

Anybody who wants town to lose. I generally frown on any kind of claiming D1 that doesn't involve L-1, but you're basically saying that if the two town players die, then we can lynch another of the lovers and make two more players die, to cause a total of 3 town deaths to kill 1 scum. I say we use the "scumhunting" method instead. Plus I would rather have the two town lovers be a secret. In the event that the scum-town lovers die, the town-town lovers can be a confirmable asset in a lylo situation, but if they're claimed then they get NK'd by scum in a 2 for 1.

To be honest, I initially saw Nikanor's proposal of claiming right off-bat as sneaky and shady and kind of like cheating, but if there's any reason I shouldn't be feeling like this, let me know. It just seems like he wants our lovers to turn themselves in.

I think it's a fine idea. The lylo problem will affect us regardless of claim.

The lover-claim? If so, I disagree.

Yup, I'm happy with my Yankee vote. I agree that Khamisa needs to do something, though.

But maybe this could be a good strategy, i just dont see it....

'Maybe this could be a good strategy, but I'm not going to try to debate it in order to better inform my decision. Instead, I'll vote the guy who thought of the plan!'

Were there any other stipulations that could've made your plan appear pro-town that you didn't delineate within the thread? Sometimes we think of good plans but we don't relay them as accurately as we could.

its not that i dont want to debate it, it is that i dont feel it is worth risking 3 townies to catch 1 scum, when there would still be 2 undetermined scum out there..... Im not saying i dont think it wont work though, i am just saying it is asking the town to risk alot, and i dont know if i am willing to make that risk. Maybe my vote was a little early though, but i wasnt worried since it was the first vote on you

Scum will slip up eventually and I'm confident it won't cost us three townies for them to do so; however, this is simply my opinion.

[Nikanor]

i dont feel it is worth risking 3 townies to catch 1 scum

Actually, that's a good trade, imo. It increases the power role : townie ratio without increasing the scum : town ratio.

[Nikanor]

To be honest, I initially saw Nikanor's proposal of claiming right off-bat as sneaky and shady and kind of like cheating, but if there's any reason I shouldn't be feeling like this, let me know. It just seems like he wants our lovers to turn themselves in.

Actually, I posted it because the game was stalling, hehe.