Mini 848 - Second String Muppets Mafia - Game Over.

[charter]

While I'm certainly going to vote for DDD, his response, in my mind, cements that he is scum. No claim of his role or nothing, no vote for EL. Not good.

[ekiM]

Bleh.

unvote

just because thread has been open like two days and we're in no rush. I'd love to know any sane explanation for why that would be a fakeclaim though.

[charter]

I really don't care if it's a fakeclaim and we lynch DDD. If it's true, then EL is scum and he dies. This is too ridiculous to make up if EL isn't telling the truth.

[MonkeyMan576]

There's a chance he could be a non-sane cop. But with my earlier leanings I'm willing to risk it.

[charter]

Heh, so now we should discuss who his partner is. Let me see if Elvis fits.

[Ectomancer]

While I'm not sure what to believe, barring sanity issues, scum is in trouble.

Hold on for a counter-claim, then lynch the investigated.

While we don't need to rush to lynch, I don't see much reason to dally either. I'm interested in the lynch today and the nights events to go even a few steps into speculation land.

unvote

[elvis_knits]

unvote

I think we should lynch DDD if there is a guilty on him.

Ecto, that is interesting that you bring up sanity issues. That was not my first thought. I don't know how common insane cops are in minis. I would tend to be very suspicious of EL if we lynched DDD and he was town.

[MonkeyMan576]

@charter: You really think if there are other cops out there, they should claim, given that there may be multiple sanities? Sounds like rolefishing to me.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

While I'm certainly going to vote for DDD, his response, in my mind, cements that he is scum. No claim of his role or nothing, no vote for EL. Not good.

EL is a lying sack of sod, I've got things to do for a couple of hours but I'll be back later tonight. Don't let this claim blind you to the truth that I'm town and that he's more than likely scum.

Time of posts, 5:20 pm, I checked the game right as I was about to leave work and then go do some grocery shopping and eat dinner (see things to do) I didn't exactly have the time to formulate a strategy or do anything other than call EL a liar and make sure I wasn't quick lynched.

Vote: The Liar (Eldritch Lord)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Bleh.

unvote

just because thread has been open like two days and we're in no rush. I'd love to know any sane explanation for why that would be a fakeclaim though.

A) He's a lyncher and I'm his target.
B) I backed him into a corner making him stake his reputation on my lynch so he'll do anything to get it.
C) He's already announced he's quite arrogant so maybe he believes when I flip town that he can argue it was a town gambit. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that one has been pulled.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

You know what else is hysterical, how people with firm reads like Elvis and Mike on both EL and myself are suddenly so willing to reverse against their own previously held positions. Where's the confidence in your own fucking reads, don't let this liar take the easy way out.

[elvis_knits]

Well when a cop has guilty, I pretty much go with it. If he's lying, he dies next, so I'm not sure why he would be lying. And if he is lying... honestly, at this point, trading you for another scum is a good deal.

You're right that I didn't think you were scum previously though.

I think it's a little weird you speculating on him being a lyncher though. I mean, why are you thinking he's a lyncher instead of just being lying scumbago?

[charter]

@charter: You really think if there are other cops out there, they should claim, given that there may be multiple sanities? Sounds like rolefishing to me.

...I didn't say this. You're seriously suffering from an extreme case of confirmation bias here (though I do that too from time to time...).

As for Danny's claim of why EL is doing this, I don't think that's the case at all. EL's claim is EXACTLY congruent with a cop getting a guilty last night. Insane cops aren't very common in anything.

[charter]

And Danny still didn't claim his role, which makes him look pretty bad.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I think it's a little weird you speculating on him being a lyncher though. I mean, why are you thinking he's a lyncher instead of just being lying scumbago?

Because as Mike pointed out it doesn't fully make sense from a scum perspective. Why would he go one on one for me in that scenario? Some serious WIFOM in play.

Hence why lynching him is safer, because he's not a cop, not a cop and not a cop. When he dies that'll be clear and there'll be no greater need to lynch me than before. If you lynch me then you have to lynch him and I have no idea what the hell role he has, maybe he is scum playing for one lynch, or maybe he's just an exceedingly stupid townie.

[MonkeyMan576]

And Danny still didn't claim his role, which makes him look pretty bad.

I agree with this. DDD should claim.

[charter]

You STILL haven't claimed your role, and I really can't think of a role I'd rather keep alive above a cop, so yeah... Not gonna fly getting him lynched first.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

And Danny still didn't claim his role, which makes him look pretty bad.

What would that do charter? A vanilla claim is a death sentence, claiming a valid power role outs a useful role, claiming a fake power role risks outing someone else and getting lynched anyways. I'll claim, when I'm sure it's the last thing I can do, until then I can only hope the

truth

is enough.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

You STILL haven't claimed your role, and I really can't think of a role I'd rather keep alive above a cop, so yeah... Not gonna fly getting him lynched first.

Dammit, you've seen me as scum, I beat you as scum. You've seen me as a SK, I won your South Park game as an SK. Does my play here resemble my play in those two games at all? Use you head here charter and don't play follow the fake fucking cop to a defeat.

[charter]

Well, stalling on claiming is about the biggest scumtell on earth, so

vote DDD

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Well, stalling on claiming is about the biggest scumtell on earth, so

vote DDD

Answer the question charter, in what possible way would a quick claim help me or the town?

[charter]

Well, there's no way that we're not lynching you or EL today. EL has already claimed, and it's a really good one that's going to end up in your lynch, so unless you claim something even better, there's no reason we wouldn't lynch you. There's no case that needs defending against from anyone, just EL's claim, and I see a whole lot to gain and little to lose by lynching you first.

Waiting to claim just gives you time to invent a better one. Townies rarely stall in claiming, but I see scum do it often.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Well, stalling on claiming is about the biggest scumtell on earth, so

vote DDD

Answer the question charter, in what possible way would a quick claim help me or the town?

[elvis_knits]

It just takes so much longer to invent a fake claim.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

It just takes so much longer to invent a fake claim.

Yeah, funny how the liar hasn't shown up to tell us what muppet he is. Guess it's taking a while going through the muppet wiki to find one that fits his claim.