/in-Vitational Game 4 (Game Over!)

[mith]

Deadline:

Approximately 15 hours from this post.

Vote Count:

7 to lynch.

PookyTheMagicalBear: 6 (iamausername, populartajo, roflcopter, Thesp, Yosarian2, zu_Faul)
populartajo: 5 (charter, ekiM, elvis_knits, Kmd4390, SerialClergyman)
iamausername: 1 (PookyTheMagicalBear)

Not Voting: 1 (VP Baltar)

[mith]

Mod Note:

PookyTheMagicalBear has been prodded.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this game really sucks

cuz i think tajo is town

but I KNOW i am town.

=/

[Yosarian2]

Tajo isn't just claiming he is town, he's claiming he, charter, rofl, yos and vp are ALL town. It's
not just a question of whether you think Tajo is scum, it's a question of whether you think ANY of those people are scum.

Well, right. But, of course, if you don't think tajo is scum, then you also don't think any of those other people are scum.

Yos asks me if I KNOW that I'm getting lynched on a rofl flip and I'm not sure how to reply. I will protect him if Tajo is lynched and flips innocent. That's about it from this perspective.

I'm making this clear to you for a reason. If you are town, I expect you to protect rofl tonight. If you are scum, then I hope that the knowlege that you will be lynched tomorrow if rofl dies may prevent you from killing him. That's also why I wanted you to specifically verify that you had heard and understood it.

[charter]

Balter, please hammer asap. I am very worried that someone is going to unvote.

[charter]

I'm making this clear to you for a reason. If you are town, I expect you to protect rofl tonight. If you are scum, then I hope that the knowlege that you will be lynched tomorrow if rofl dies may prevent you from killing him. That's also why I wanted you to specifically verify that you had heard and understood it.

Let's also clear up, if tajo flips scum, protect kmd, since that will pretty much confirm rofl as scum.

[VP Baltar]

Balter, please hammer asap. I am very worried that someone is going to unvote.

I assume you are missing something here, even if I vote tajo we are short a vote.

[charter]

Oh, what the fuck. I just looked at the votecount at the top of the page and saw the number "6" and assumed it was tajo.

This is ridiculous, even if Pooky by some miracle gets lynched, and is scum, I'm still going to want tajo just as dead.

Pooky seems willing to let a no lynch go down, which is scummy and idiotic. Sigh.

[Kmd4390]

The names on the Pooky wagon are making me uncomfortable. Most of them are confirmed by a Tajo town flip where a Tajo scum flip means they could still be scum. Pooky seems like the scapegoat.

[VP Baltar]

It had occured to me that they could both be scum, especially given pooky's unwillingness to vote tajo even though he 'knows he's town'.

[Kmd4390]

Tempted to hammer even though Tajo is the better lynch.

[elvis_knits]

It had occured to me that they could both be scum, especially given pooky's unwillingness to vote tajo even though he 'knows he's town'.

This is the best reason for lynching pooky I've seen all day.

However, he's probably the more lowly team member in that case.

[charter]

Tempted to hammer even though Tajo is the better lynch.

Only do it like ten minutes before deadline. I'll be around as well in case there's another last minute ship jumper. We still need to lynch tajo today.

[SerialClergyman]

charter, I'm loving your style, but why so heavily behind a tajo lynch now compared to a couple of days ago when you were arguing against it? In fact, I seem to remember your vote for tajo was along the lines of 'fuck it, vote tajo'..

Yos2 - the logic 'I should ignore the scumminess of Yos2, rofl, charter, VP and declare them all town if I think tajo is town' is much worse than 'I should judge whether tajo is town based on whether I think it's likely that he and all the people he says must be town are town'.

VP - did you see my edits to your numbers? Did that help your decision making? Your unvote makes me sad and confused.

pooky - you just won 'most useless post' award.

[Yosarian2]

This is ridiculous, even if Pooky by some miracle gets lynched, and is scum, I'm still going to want tajo just as dead.

We lynch pooky and he flip scum, we're no longer in lynch or lose land, we have a little room to work with. In that case, we can try a "tajo hides, KMD tries to vig him" or something like that to try and test tajo.

[charter]

charter, I'm loving your style, but why so heavily behind a tajo lynch now compared to a couple of days ago when you were arguing against it? In fact, I seem to remember your vote for tajo was along the lines of 'fuck it, vote tajo'..

The fact that it was days ago is why I wasn't wholeheartily behind it. Now that we are right at the deadline, and all the people that will be implicated by tajo flipping scum are so vigorously trying to get pooky lynched, makes me think tajo is scum, regardless of what pooky flips.

This is ridiculous, even if Pooky by some miracle gets lynched, and is scum, I'm still going to want tajo just as dead.

We lynch pooky and he flip scum, we're no longer in lynch or lose land, we have a little room to work with. In that case, we can try a "tajo hides, KMD tries to vig him" or something like that to try and test tajo.

Role. Blocker.

[Yosarian2]

Yos2 - the logic 'I should ignore the scumminess of Yos2, rofl, charter, VP and declare them all town if I think tajo is town' is much worse than 'I should judge whether tajo is town based on whether I think it's likely that he and all the people he says must be town are town'.

Person A claims cop. He claims innocent on B, C, and D.

Before the claim, you thought person C was scummy.

Is that a good reason to doubt the cop claim?

[SerialClergyman]

By the way, assuming 5 scum, if you believe tajo is town, you also believe there's at least one scum on the non-tajo wagon at the moment, which, if tajo is town, is pretty stupid.

iam - do you now believe that it's more likely that there's a blocker who blocked you N1 and not rofl N2 than rofl (and by extension tajo) is scum?

[Yosarian2]

Role. Blocker.

There might be a scum roleblocker.

The only situation in which we KNOW there would have to be a scum roleblocker is if both rofl and iamusername are town. Otherwise, we don't actually have any evidence for one.

In any case, it's a fairly safe test to run, so long as we lynch scum today first.

[VP Baltar]

@SC, yeah your numbers were correct. It would basically make it almost impossible NOT to hit scum tomorrow.

I'm going to bed now. I think I should be up before deadline tomorrow, but just in case.

Vote: tajo

(again). If it gets down to deadline though and no one seems to be showing up to save the day, I would also switch to pooky. Anyhow, night.

[charter]

Role. Blocker.

There might be a scum roleblocker.

The only situation in which we KNOW there would have to be a scum roleblocker is if both rofl and iamusername are town. Otherwise, we don't actually have any evidence for one.

In any case, it's a fairly safe test to run, so long as we lynch scum today first.

Ok, it is official. Tajo/rofl/yos are scum, and this was a brilliant scum gambit. Rofl's alignment is irrelevant in whether or not there is a roleblocker. If username is town, there is, if he's scum, there still could be. I'm pretty sure this is like the second time someone has made this slipup.

[SerialClergyman]

If we lynch pooky and he's scum, we have EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF WIGGLE ROOM as we do now.

Yes, yos2, it is. When it's close to lylo and someone claims and tells me that the people I find scummiest in the game are now confirmed, and I should vote for people I think are probably town, that's a reason to doubt them irregardless of their own personal scumminess so far.

[SerialClergyman]

Wait, sorry to be obtuse, but I don't follow charter. Why must there be a blocker if rofl is scum and iam is town? The only reason we think there may be a blocker is that if iam and rofl are both town, a blocker would have had to block iam's N1 jailing. (and also blocked someone other than rofl N2)

If rofl is scum, there wouldn't need to be a blocker because he would be lying about the investigation.

[charter]

You're right, I'm dumb. Sorry Yos.

[SerialClergyman]

I'll take dumb but right. <3