/in-Vitational Game 4 (Game Over!)

[elvis_knits]

I also think that if tajo flips town, this confirms iaun as scum, and by extension, elvis, since she fought so hard for his claim.

What? Whose claim did I fight hard for?

You are tunneled on me hard, Charter. I don't mind dying as long as you don't include me in some sort of plan that will make the town auto-lose if I'm town. Let's just be smart about this.

[mith]

Deadline:

Approximately 41 hours from this post.

Vote Count:

7 to lynch.

populartajo: 4 (charter, elvis_knits, Kmd4390, SerialClergyman)
PookyTheMagicalBear: 3 (iamausername, populartajo, Thesp)
iamausername: 2 (PookyTheMagicalBear, roflcopter)
SerialClergyman: 1 (Yosarian2)

Not Voting: 3 (ekiM, VP Baltar, zu_Faul)

[zu_Faul]

A claiming vengeful expects to be lynched. ekiM is town.

That's so basic WIFOM it almost makes me angry.


< Vanilla Town.
I think Thesp is the last one who has to claim now, no?

I don't see how Tajo lynch is better than No lynch + shooting Tajo. If Tajo is scum, he'll be shot, if he's town, we got one more investigation. I am not convinced that a Tajo lynch is good in our situation. I still think Pooky is scum and is a good lynch.


Sorry for the late claim, but my weekends are really busy, because I switch places then. Today was especially nasty with election day.

[Kmd4390]

A claiming vengeful expects to be lynched. ekiM is town.

That's so basic WIFOM it almost makes me angry.

What of it?

[charter]

WE CAN'T VIG TAJO. If there's a roleblocker, it won't work.

[zu_Faul]

A claiming vengeful expects to be lynched. ekiM is town.

That's so basic WIFOM it almost makes me angry.

What of it?

"Scum would never claim Vengeful Townie."

[Kmd4390]

Well, I wouldn't say never, but I don't see it here. But still, what of it?

[Kmd4390]

For clarity, I'm not saying "how is that WIFOM?", I'm saying "What's wrong with WIFOM?"

[charter]

Are you serious?

[elvis_knits]

I think zu faul is scum guys. I've been thinking he was a cop or info role of some kind since beginning of day 2 when he clearly breadcrumbed that Thesp was town.

This is the post I am talking about:

Which game, VP Baltar? I assumed that his absense was legitimate.

I think Thesp is a good citizen.

There are still some questions directed at ekiM, would love an answer.

[charter]

Oh, remember how everyone bitched at me for asking about that? Then you and him accuse me of rolefishing? Yeah.

zu faul doesn't want to lynch tajo, which makes me like it more.

[Kmd4390]

Charter, who is that directed at?

EK, completely agree about Zu being scum.

[charter]

You. You're seriously asking what is wrong with clearing people based on WIFOM?

[elvis_knits]

Oh, remember how everyone bitched at me for asking about that? Then you and him accuse me of rolefishing? Yeah.

zu faul doesn't want to lynch tajo, which makes me like it more.

Yeah, well I was wrong about that. And you're wrong about me being scum. So let's just call it even. We're both trying our best.

I'd say there is a good chance zu and thesp are both scum, in addition to tajo.

Also, if kmd is faking vig, the real vig will kill him tonight.

[Kmd4390]

Charter, how do you not know from all the AIM conversations we've had in the past that I see WIFOM as a useful tool?

[charter]

Yeah, also seen you try and use it to win. Why can't ekiM be doing the same thing? It seems like a no risk, high reward option to lynch him and make him venge kill someone.

[Kmd4390]

Heh. Yeah, I thought Zazie was a cop there. Oh well, I screwed up. XD

Yeah, if needed, lynching him and letting him shoot could help us out if we go down your list. I'd probably even support that. I'm just saying he's very likely to be town.

[SerialClergyman]

I think charter pretty much nailed it. We can start with pooky or zu then ekim who venges someone. Hopefully I protect and confirm myself and it's all fun from there. Cone on, more Tajo votes please. Deadline in two days.

[charter]

Everyone that isn't voting tajo, in their next post, should either vote him, promise to vote him before deadline, or explain why we shouldn't lynch him. This is kind of dumb we're going down to deadline.

[populartajo]

Everyone that isn't voting tajo, in their next post, should either vote him, promise to vote him before deadline, or explain why we shouldn't lynch him. This is kind of dumb we're going down to deadline.

We shouldnt lynch populartajo because he is town.

Like really, wtf is this shit? Who the hell thinks Im scum besides serial?

[populartajo]

Eh. I still don't think lynching tajo today is a good idea.

Right now, if tajo flips town, we have two confirmed townies from him (charter and rofl), and from rofl, we have two confirmed vanillas (me and VP.) With Tajo and rofl dead tommorow, we only have 3 confirmed townies left, out of a pool of 11 people. (4, if you count KMD, who I also consider confirmed). If there are 5 scum, then that means there will still be 2 unconfirmed town people left, and with 5 scum-votes out of 6 votes to lynch, the odds are, town will end up lynching one of them and losing.

If tajo is town, and we don't lynch him, then we almost certanly win. One more confirmed townie, from either rofl or tajo, and town should autowin. If tajo is town and we lynch him, I think we've got a very good chance of losing.

Now, if tajo is scum, we should lynch him, obviously. But people (people who I think are likely scum, mostly) keep making the argument "we need to lynch tajo today to get information", and that's just completly wrong.

If someone has an ACTUAL argument for why they think Tajo is probably scum, I'd like to hear it. SC's argument sounded like "I think Tajo is scum because he's not letting me lynch rofl, and I really want to", and that just sounds like a scum reaction to me. ANd no one else has really made a case for him being scum at all.

We might also add to his case the "You didnt breadcrumb your target and you suck playing hider, that must mean you are scum".

[populartajo]

And ftr, these are my breadcrumbs after I got rolftown and chartertown.

Iso 11, my first day2 post.

rolf 528. Good news, rabbit is probtown.

Iso 16. My scumlist.

roflcopter - gut, meta arguments, usual town rolf.

Iso 25. When answering to Xyl.

Also, are you implying here that rolf is scum? Because I have a strong town rolf read.

Day 3.

Iso 30.

Fifth, the rolf wagon is full of fail. Im pretty confident rolf is town in this game.

Also, charter give me something to defend from. You are prob town so I wouldnt like to waste time with you but Im ready to answer anything you want.

Iso 33.

I dont like Elvis point about rolf having to derail the bridges wagon and check him when the guy was really really scummy even when she knows how townrolf plays. Also charter is still town.

[zu_Faul]

I think zu faul is scum guys. I've been thinking he was a cop or info role of some kind since beginning of day 2 when he clearly breadcrumbed that Thesp was town.

This is the post I am talking about:

Which game, VP Baltar? I assumed that his absense was legitimate.

I think Thesp is a good citizen.

There are still some questions directed at ekiM, would love an answer.

I had Thesp as obv Vig after Night 1:

Thesp, if I lurk, kill me. Can I have the same call from you?

Sure!

Also, Thesp mentioned the Vig several times (remember when people accused him of directing the vig? that was not the only time when he did so).

Just because I say someone is obv town to me right after night does not mean I got role info on them; something else could have happened (like a flip or, like this time, a kill) which could leave me to think stuff.

I am totally baffled why everyone has me as scum now, but no one says why they think so or no one mentioned much suspicions before today.

[zu_Faul]

Don't have time to post more right now, bigger post in a few hours.

[VP Baltar]

Given the mix of claimed roles we have, I think a No Lynch has the following benefits: 1) it will confirm the NKed player and possibly anyone related to him or her, 2) it gives the chance for us to have another round of night actions that may lead to outright confirmations, 3) it forces any lying scum to fake another round of night actions, which almost always tightens their noose further, 4) it gives us an additional night if we choose to no lynch again tomorrow and 5) if certain people are telling the truth about their roles, we have a reasonably good chance of WIFOMing the scum and blocking the kill altogether/confirming SC/offing a scum through the vig.

Obviously, benefit #4 is unique to a No lynch and thus would be the major selling point.

Now, tajo lynch also has many of the same benefits, but also could potentially confirm four players. If tajo is scum, we lose those confirmations, but it simultaneously puts some heavy suspicion on other players. Downside is that we lose the opportunity for potentially two more days instead of one.

Like I said, I'm not good at working about what is the best course for night actions, though I feel that setting out something before hand may not be the best play in case there is some missed logic hole. Perhaps if we go the no lynch route, PRs could give a small list (three players?) for their actions so there is still enough WIFOM for it to be successful, but in the event of failure town will still be able to try and figure out what happened.

I'm going to vote for one of these options sometime today when I get home from work after I've had some more time to think on it.