Newbie 834 (Game Over!)

[hiphop]

Dark light voted four times on the first day after replacing in. Only voted twice on the second day (Mostly because he was inactive) I will say have to say that he is as random as one can get. However he made this post on the first day.

EBWOP: Realizing that I put him at L-1, I'd like to request a delay before hammer, and I'd like darkstrike to come with a roleclaim and reason for us not lynching him/you.

Which is kind of odd, because he also made a quick hammer in this game.

You want to know my reason. This is my reason, as said by several people.

If looker comes up scum, Ox1de is scummy as hell. Looker seems just dumb enough to point this finger at his scum buddy, but has enough grasp on mafia theory to try to distance.

Greendudes first post after this one.

I agree with Oman

Looker

Scum

=Ox1de

Scum

Do I really need to explain anymore?

[Oman]

I think Darklight is a better lynch than Ox1de.

[hiphop]

I think Darklight is a better lynch than Ox1de.

Maybe, but that is a chance that I will have to take.

[0x1de]

And that's Looker

ess

, ya'betta

ask

sumbody.

If someone had asked, would you even have noticed the question?

Lol. You know what...

unvote; vote garnasha

You're funny, ox1de

Good-bye to you, too, Ox1de, it's been a pleasure.

LookerScum=Ox1deScum

See how putting the quote back into context makes the accusation look rubbish...

[Oman]

No it doesn't, really, that kind of rapport with a scumbuddy often occurs. You share a bond because you're on the same side.

[hiphop]

No, not DarkLight, it's Ox1de that's the scum. It's Ox1de that needs to die.

So this is part of that context?

Quick (rhetorical) question: I'm guessing there

is

no honor amongst scum, huh?

In the same post. Makes me believe it was someone who was voting for Looker.

Oman- who is your second person that is scummy?

[Oman]

Darklight, Ox1de, then yourself. You seem manipulative, but it could be misunderstanding. Its something I've got my eye on, but you're down the list.

[0x1de]

No, not DarkLight, it's Ox1de that's the scum. It's Ox1de that needs to die.

So this is part of that context?

Nope. That's 'dying scum telling partner who to kill'.

Quick (rhetorical) question: I'm guessing there

is

no honor amongst scum, huh?

In the same post. Makes me believe it was someone who was voting for Looker.

I missed that, but I have to agree with you there. +1 karma to hiphop.

[DarkLightA]

Vote Darklight

The hammer was inexcusable, and there hasn't been much good gen on you anyway. I can go into more detail if the people wish, but I think this vote speaks for itself.

Uhh.. Sorry? xD

Vote: Ox1de

HoS: Oman

Starting with Oman: Right now he's just pushing EVERYTHING onto other people.

Ox1de: In twilight, looker was saying he was scum. I'm not quite sure how to interpret this, but it seems like some kind of hopeless attempt to make a gap between him (looker) and ox1de.

[Oman]

Uh, I should be suspecting myself? I don't get it. Like, at all.

[0x1de]

So DarkLight and I are at L-1 (see, I'm picking up the lingo). It all comes down to what GreenDude thinks .

Based on current opinion etc, I think this game is over. The winning team depends on who the scum actually is. If it's me or DarkLight, then town wins. If it's Oman or hiphop, then scum wins. Perhaps I'd better explain that:

This is based on three assumptions:

• GreenDude is town
  He will agree to hammer me or DarkLight
  He will be killed in the night because he's least likely to be lynched

If either me or DarkLight are scum then:

• One of us will be lynched today. If the victim flips scum then it's game over, otherwise:
  GreenDude gets killed in the night
  The survivor, out of me and DarkLight, gets lynched and flips scum. Town wins.

If Oman or hiphop are scum:

• DarkLight or I gets lynched and flips town
  GreenDude gets killed
  DarkLight or I get lynched and flip town
  The scum kills the surviving townie and wins

[GreenDude]

I really don't see how ox1de can possibly know all that unless he is scum. I'm not voting for quite a while now. Going to wait for the deadline. I want to read the game again too.

[DarkLightA]

GreenDude is town
(...)
He will be killed in the night because he's least likely to be lynched

How can a townie assume that?

[0x1de]

@GreenDude: I don't know anything. It's just a theory. Oh and please don't make us wait three weeks - I'm impatient.

@DarkLight: It's easy. We had a discussion about playplay (obv townie) on the first day.

[GreenDude]

I think Hiphop is scum.

He says he's voting ox1de because 3 other people agree with him which is a lynch. That is exactly what I would do if I was scum (is that wifom??).

My other top suspect is Oman. I find that Looker hammered soo stupidly and acted like an idiot just to get lynched. Then everyone knows oman to be IC and since he is so experienced and people trust him, he can just win the game easily.

I think ox1de is town. DarklightA I have a few scummy feelings but not as much as hiphop. Oman I feel is 50/50.

[0x1de]

Right, that blows my theory apart. More work is needed.

GreenDude, we're going to have to work together. This is a crucial lynch. Your post was a bit confusing though, you put Oman as second most likely then said he's 50/50. Which is it?

I find Oman impossible to read. He's a good bloke, helpful IC, and obviously a good player. Yet I cannot tell if he is town or scum. So I have to make a call here, and I choose to believe Oman is town. Do you want to join GreenDude and me?

DarkLight and hiphop are both scummy. hiphop less so because he has made some pro-town comments. I'm going to have to go through the thread again to pick out evidence.

[Oman]

My other top suspect is Oman. I find that Looker hammered soo stupidly and acted like an idiot just to get lynched. Then everyone knows oman to be IC and since he is so experienced and people trust him, he can just win the game easily.

Wait what? I'm scum because if I was scum I would be able to win easily? Thats...thats interesting.

I must've misunderstood there.

Do you want to join GreenDude and me?

Is this directed at me?

Anyway, Darklight is my top lynch suspect, Ox1de remains second, I'd be happy to consider hiphop vs Ox1de tomorrow morning if cases were put to me.

[0x1de]

Yes it was.

[Oman]

Well, join you in what?

[0x1de]

The righteous lynch mob

[hiphop]

He says he's voting ox1de because 3 other people agree with him which is a lynch. That is exactly what I would do if I was scum (is that wifom??).

Did you not read what I wrote? I said it was the reason I was voting for him is because Looker targeted him (as the way I interpret it) as scum. Everybody else saw that she did, as shown by those three posts. I said my reason was not because other people made the connection, but as outlined by the three people. My vote is because of the connection. I will not take my vote off Oxide, when I believe that if we don't lynch him, we will lose.

No, not DarkLight, it's Ox1de that's the scum. It's Ox1de that needs to die.

So this is part of that context?

Nope. That's 'dying scum telling partner who to kill'.

I believe differently.

Quick (rhetorical) question: I'm guessing there

is

no honor amongst scum, huh?

In the same post. Makes me believe it was someone who was voting for Looker.

I missed that, but I have to agree with you there. +1 karma to hiphop.

I did not vote for Looker, did I?

My whole point of saying they were in the same post was to show that there was a connection between the two.

The righteous lynch mob

or the scum team.

Oxide are you a cult leader now?

Town- why can’t Oxide be scum? He may not be guilty by his own actions, but he is certainly guilty by someone else’s.

I read too many games where scum, gave their partner away, and people couldn’t believe that it was the truth. I read every post that Looker made after she was lynched as Oxide is scum. Even the go town post, shows she didn’t like her partner.

[Oman]

The righteous lynch mob

Yeah? I don't really trust you anyway, so Darklight is my number one, you're my number two.

If you want me to lynch hiphop, you'll have to convince me tomorrow, or convince me today that he's scummier than Darklight.

[DarkLightA]

After thinking things through, I figure that they don't make sense.

"No, not DarkLight, it's Ox1de that's the scum. It's Ox1de that needs to die."

Here he's pointing at me and Ox1de both, after certain death (twilight). However, I'm now thinking that he's pointing to two townies (me being one of them) to confuse everyone.

I know, you can't know that I'm townie, the only way to do that is to lynch me, or trust me.

I don't want the day to end without discussion.

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@ the people voting for me. Think this through:
1. Looker was killed. Game was in twilight
2. He sais "don't kill DLA" after knowing that he was going to die.

The natural instinct would be to do the opposite of what mafia said, but in twilight this just doesn't make sense.

I think ox1de started a wagon against me because I was one of the two people pointed to in twilight (and he wouldn't vote for himself), but now I've come to realize that he's probably town.

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I'm starting to think of a looker-hiphop relationship now. It would make sense, seeing as he was the only one of us sitting out on the lynch of looker, but I'm not sure..

For now

UNVOTE

[Oman]

I don't understand how pointing to two townies confuses us that much. He wouldn't make the post if he didn't have something to gain from it.

[0x1de]

<a long and well-reasoned post>

Welcome to the game.

Don't think that unvoting me earns you any town points, quite the opposite in fact. I know that I'm opening myself to further claims of hypocrisy, but this is different. I'm not going to be lynched today - neither Oman nor GreenDude will hammer me. On the other hand I was scared that 'Mr Random' DarkLight would hammer Looker early.

@hiphop: I give you credit for not voting Looker, given her 'honor' statement. But then again, you didn't vote for a scumbag. Swings and roundabouts. The fact that it was in the same post as an accusation against me doesn't count for anything.

Cult, meh. Oman won't join in so it's pointless. Imagine a gang of two, or even one!

@Oman: Yesterday you thought you might be killed in the night, but today you're sure that you'll be here tomorrow? Just teasing...