Open 165 - Swine Flu Mafia - 1-shot C9 (Over) before 838

[Col.Cathart]

While we're waiting for another post from Sigma - Haylen what's your opinion so far, about the current situation?

[sigma]

Hi guys. Busy Sunday.

Responding to Col:

And here's the twist. The best we have, doesn't mean 'scummy'. At that point there was no vote from me, because I didn't found anyone scummy. Haylen was null from me from the start to the beginning.

If the person whom we have the best case on isn't scummy, then what is everyone else? negative-scummy? You can't say that someone is the best lead that the town has and then say they aren't at least a little scummy. You're tying yourself into knots to avoid the obvious contradiction here, which makes you look even worse, IMO -- someone who's actually town might have admitted the contradiction. Instead, you accuse me of "twisting" when I point out that you called someone both 'the best [case] we have' and 'null' in the course of 12 posts. That's not twisting, that's just pointing out the obvious.

[Joe's]experience with Mafia has nothing to do with it.

So you say, but we can't just take your word for it -- we have to look at the facts. The fact is, you went after a newbie townie, to the extent that he was pretty much the only person you asked any questions of. Look at the PbP I did again, or look at your posts in iso for yourself to see just how much you focused on joe. Tunneling like that looks scummy to me.

Also, I would like to say, that following your logic, scumhunters are only those who are making the questions, so in regular 12 player game there is only 3 or 4 of them, so the rest must be scum.

To this quote, I'd like to point out the reason you cited for voting Joe:

Other suspects: As you can see, I'm trying to actively get Joe to answer my questions. The main reason for this is because, I'm beginning to see a pattern. He always answers, vanishes from discussion

without asking any question back

, and goes back to answer another question thrown in his direction, if there is any... No impact on anything, no opinion on anything. Just answer, if there is a question. So yeah, Joe is my main suspect at the moment...

vote: Joe478

Note the underlined. So, not asking questions is scummy when Joe does it, but it's not when you're trying to discredit me? That's interesting.

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So, Kise/Haylen, what's the plan here? Are you lynching the unconfirmed townie tomorrow or today?

[sigma]

I am the doublepost master.

I feel like I should expand on that last note to Kise/Haylen. When are you guys planning on lynching Percy? You could theoretically lynch one of the unconfirmed guys today as long as you made sure not to split your votes, which is an auto-scum win. That way Haylen would be a little more involved in the decision process. You may just want to lynch Percy after Col and I are all talked out and let Kise decide on day 3 -- I don't know. You guys are the leaders here; just trying to get a feel for what the logistics of the endgame are.

[Col.Cathart]

If the person whom we have the best case on isn't scummy, then what is everyone else? negative-scummy? You can't say that someone is the best lead that the town has and then say they aren't at least a little scummy. You're tying yourself into knots to avoid the obvious contradiction here, which makes you look even worse, IMO -- someone who's actually town might have admitted the contradiction. Instead, you accuse me of "twisting" when I point out that you called someone both 'the best [case] we have' and 'null' in the course of 12 posts. That's not twisting, that's just pointing out the obvious.

Stop right there! Don't tell me what should I do as a town, and what should I don't. This is setting a trap of 'if you'll do something according to my advice in future, that ALSO means you're scum, because you're trying to look more por-town by doing what I told you' kind. Not gonna fall for it. I know, what I said, and there's nothing wrong with it. 'The best we have' doesn't mean it must be scummy even slightest, until someone adds at the end that it's scummy. Ever heard of 'lesser evil' expression?

So you say, but we can't just take your word for it -- we have to look at the facts. The fact is, you went after a newbie townie, to the extent that he was pretty much the only person you asked any questions of. Look at the PbP I did again, or look at your posts in iso for yourself to see just how much you focused on joe.

Tunneling like that looks scummy to me.

Says someone who after locking his target on Haylen stopped looking at anyone else ;]

Also, I would like to say, that following your logic, scumhunters are only those who are making the questions, so in regular 12 player game there is only 3 or 4 of them, so the rest must be scum.

To this quote, I'd like to point out the reason you cited for voting Joe:

Other suspects: As you can see, I'm trying to actively get Joe to answer my questions. The main reason for this is because, I'm beginning to see a pattern. He always answers, vanishes from discussion

without asking any question back

, and goes back to answer another question thrown in his direction, if there is any... No impact on anything, no opinion on anything. Just answer, if there is a question. So yeah, Joe is my main suspect at the moment...

vote: Joe478

Note the underlined. So, not asking questions is scummy when Joe does it, but it's not when you're trying to discredit me? That's interesting.

Heh. Once again, you're trying to take things out of context, though you failed again, since you even quoted the more important point there.

Other suspects: As you can see, I'm trying to actively get Joe to answer my questions. The main reason for this is because, I'm beginning to see a pattern. He always answers, vanishes from discussion without asking any question back, and goes back to answer another question thrown in his direction, if there is any...

No impact on anything, no opinion on anything. Just answer, if there is a question.

So yeah, Joe is my main suspect at the moment...

As you can see, there's a difference between my behavior and Joe's, and the things are a bit different, than you're trying to show

So, Kise/Haylen, what's the plan here? Are you lynching the unconfirmed townie tomorrow or today?

Actually I'm interested in hearing answer to this as well.

[sigma]

All right kids -- I think I've made all the points I need to make.

As I said, I plan on making one recap post on the subject of "Why Cathart should be the lynch." This recap post will briefly go over the arguments you've heard over the last week.

I suggest we lynch Percy, then let Cathart and I do our closing arguments and let Kise put this baby to bed. Or, we can do that now and let both Kise and Haylen put this baby to bed. Your choice.

[Kise]

After Haylen comments, I think it would be acceptable to lynch Percy.

[Kise]

You're protecting me tonight, right Haylen?

Just gotta make sure that I shouldn't offer my opinions now as well.

[Percy]

I'm going to be V/LA for the next week (24/9 - 1/10), so you might as well get it over with.

I realise now how I should have played today - I don't even know if Kise got a guilty on me, or whether he just claimed a guilty to see how I responded, and what a meek response I gave. I'm quite annoyed at myself. Apologies, scumbuddy, for my fail.

Go Scum!

[Haylen]

You're protecting me tonight, right Haylen?

Yep

I will comment on the recent happening when I return from work. Just started a new job

[Haylen]

(I also passed my driving test yesterday. Woot!)

[Col.Cathart]

Ready to vote Percy in every moment. Recap post on Sigma will be presented on day 3 (or later on day 2, if you guys decide to finish this case today).

[Kise]

Unvote

Waiting for Haylen's post.

[sigma]

[Haylen]

hi. Need to go

V/LA until Monday

due to having to move out, start a new job and start my first year at uni all in the space of a few days. You'll see me posting in the Newbie game i'm ICing occassionally, but only as an IC not as an actually player, if you see what I mean. I hope you can understand this...

[Col.Cathart]

Monday is 3 days from now, right? Exactly the length of the night phase... *coughs*

[Haylen]

umm...I'm the confirmed doc, with no counterclaim. And I will have enough time to send in my protection. If the mod allows it, I might think of proxying my vote today to Kise.

What are you suggesting?

[Col.Cathart]

I'm suggesting lynching Percy right now, instead of stalling the game for another 3 days...

[sigma]

Getting antsy, scum?

[Haylen]

oh right, ok.

vote Percy

Im dead tonight. Hope you choose the correct one to lynch tomorrow Kise.

[Haylen]

C.C why do you want a lynch whilst I'm V/LA? You suggested it yourself, I wont be around for the night phase and possibly wont be able to protect Kise. Only scum would want a night without a doc...

[sigma]

Good enough for me. Good luck this weekend, Haylen.

Vote: Percy

[Haylen]

Thanks See you guys at endgame.

[Col.Cathart]

Getting antsy, scum?

Antsy? No. Excited about how this will end? Yeah, Mr. Sigmascum ;]

Haylen: You misunderstood me. I don't want a night without a doc. But I'm pretty disappointed, that after pretty intense discussion between me and Sigma, we're stalling the game YET AGAIN. I won't lie - I'm very excited, how this game will end, so after situation like that:

Everyone: We're ready to vote Percy, but we're waiting for Haylen's opinion.
Haylen: V/LA guys.

I moaned 'NOOOO! Not again'. It has nothing to do with your role, and doc protection for the night. Especially, when you can send it to SlySly right now, and everything is done.

[Col.Cathart]

All righty. that's L-1. I think that the Hammer should go from Kise, since he was the one who nailed the scum. Not to mention, it would be kinda weird if we would end the day behind his back.

[Kise]

Well deadline is 48 hours. Even if Haylen doesn't manage to send the protection in on time, I'd say we're still good with either her or I around.

Vote: Percy

I probably did lie about getting a guilty on you.