Newbie 834 (Game Over!)

[Looker]

Hey, are we forgetting the fact that I'm dying here...?

[Garnasha]

Oman, could you post the essentials of your case against 0x1de so it can be picked up if you die? Would save us digging up all the scumtells/linktells if you've already got them.

[Garnasha]

No we aren't looker, but even as you're dying, you're pretty useless.

[Looker]

O whatever, happy scumday. And kill Ox1de. He must be finished!

[0x1de]

Goodbye Looker. In the unlikely event that you are town, can you say why I should die, for the sake of the town.

[Looker]

No, not really. Good-bye to you, too, Ox1de, it's been a pleasure.

I think hohum's asleep...

[Oman]

Shit, as Garnasha said at the top, I'd better get this Ox1de case out now (just realised with night coming I might not wake up). Hopping to it!

[Oman]

First and formost is the way Ox1de jumped on my attacks on darklight once we'd found he was town, and then was entirely hypocritical about it:

1. They were lies, they were fundamentally wrong theory points. He was stating fact, not making opinion.

Bullshit

Now you're doing it too. Don't be hypocritical. Is that a lie and a falsehood, or are we differing on opinion. Quit appealing to emotion.

Touche. My original argument disappears in a puff of hypocrisy.

This looks to me like Ox1de just wants to look like he is the defender of the town.

I've been really enjoying this game.

I don't want to put much weight on this, but Ox1de has not been under heavy suspicion for most of the game. And I don't know about you guys, but that makes it fun when I'm scum Minor point here.

Two things:
1. I was the first person to vote on CSL/Looker (yesterday). I did actually back off for a bit to allow peeps to pitch in, but nothing's changed.

I see this completely differently. Ox1de voted looker, his scumbuddy, to distance himself. However, he had a change of heart when the wagon built, lifted the vote when it hit 3.

No, not DarkLight, it's Ox1de that's the scum. It's Ox1de that needs to die.

If looker comes up scum, Ox1de is scummy as hell. Looker seems just dumb enough to point this finger at his scum buddy, but has enough grasp on mafia theory to try to distance.

There is more, this was just the stuff I remembered from the last 3 pages.

[Garnasha]

The first I understand, the second, well, I don't like to be suspected either as town or scum. The third is really good, and explains why your case only works with looker scum. The fourth... I try to ignore stuff that gets too WIFOMy. Until I have a much better sense of which people put the poison in their own wine, it just clouds stuff for me and allows confirmed scum to wreak havoc on linking patterns before their lynch. I guess you can see through it by now, but I can't be sure you're not lying

[GreenDude]

I agree with Oman, that is that I understand what he says and that it seems to make sense for now. I have a few ideas that I'll reveal tomorrow.

[DarkLightA]

Good-bye to you, too, Ox1de,

it's been a pleasure.

Looker

Scum

=Ox1de

Scum

[GreenDude]

@looker: You are dead. Can you plz tell us what your role is now?

[hohum]

Sorry guys.

Final Vote Count:

Looker(4): GreenDude, Oman, 0x1de, DarklightA
Garnasha(1): Looker
Oman(1): hiphop

Not Voting(1): Garnasha

Looker,

Mafia Goon

, Lynched, D2.

Night actions due in 72 hours.

[hohum]

Garnasha,

Vanilla Townie

, Killed, N2

Day 3 begins! Good luck!

[0x1de]

Well, Oman, I'm disappointed in you for that weak attack. So much so, that I have to question your motivation.

You must have known that you were unlikely to be killed last night, so why the hurried post? I can't see any pro-town reason.

On the other hand, if you are scum then it makes sense: it was to get a feeling of the other players' view of me. After Looker told her partner to kill me, you were checking to see if there was any chance of getting me lynched.

First and formost is the way Ox1de jumped on my attacks on darklight once we'd found he was town, and then was entirely hypocritical about it:

1. They were lies, they were fundamentally wrong theory points. He was stating fact, not making opinion.

Bullshit

Now you're doing it too. Don't be hypocritical. Is that a lie and a falsehood, or are we differing on opinion. Quit appealing to emotion.

Touche. My original argument disappears in a puff of hypocrisy.

This looks to me like Ox1de just wants to look like he is the defender of the town.

So what's more likely:

• I made a mistake and admitted it. (no indication of alignment)
  I deliberately said that so I could retract it later for town points. (scummy)

Bear in mind that this is my first game of anything like mafia.

I've been really enjoying this game.

I don't want to put much weight on this, but Ox1de has not been under heavy suspicion for most of the game. And I don't know about you guys, but that makes it fun when I'm scum Minor point here.

Very minor point and says more about you than it does about me.

Two things:
1. I was the first person to vote on CSL/Looker (yesterday). I did actually back off for a bit to allow peeps to pitch in, but nothing's changed.

I see this completely differently. Ox1de voted looker, his scumbuddy, to distance himself. However, he had a change of heart when the wagon built, lifted the vote when it hit 3.

Strong words. Based on the assumption that I am Looker's partner, you conclude that I'm scum. Magic roundabout.

No, not DarkLight, it's Ox1de that's the scum. It's Ox1de that needs to die.

If looker comes up scum, Ox1de is scummy as hell. Looker seems just dumb enough to point this finger at his scum buddy, but has enough grasp on mafia theory to try to distance.

There is more, this was just the stuff I remembered from the last 3 pages.

More nonsense. If I'm Looker's partner and she's stupid, then I'm scum. Come on. What's wrong with the obvious reason that she was telling her buddy who to night kill?

All in all, I've still got my eye on you. You're not the most scummy survivor, but I don't trust you.

[Looker]

Bah! Go town!

[Oman]

Well, Oman, I'm disappointed in you for that weak attack. So much so, that I have to question your motivation.

You must have known that you were unlikely to be killed last night, so why the hurried post? I can't see any pro-town reason.

Remember that I'm still in and out of hospital, and still working, so I have very little time for mafia right now, the hurried post was due to it being in a gap between work and hospital for a bit.

I know it was weak when I posted it, there is more to come, but really, did you have to misunderstand two of my points Now i have to explain them when I have time. For now: the hospital. Peace.

[0x1de]

Oman, I am enjoying sparring with you, but I think we should re-focus on the job in hand. DarkLight and hiphop are both scummy - we need to decide which one to hang.

Feel free to elaborate on your points against me and bring up other stuff - I will respond and defend myself.

Meanwhile:

vote: DarkLight

[hiphop]

No explanation needed.

vote 0x1de

[0x1de]

No explanation needed.

vote 0x1de

What? Of course you need to justify your vote. Taking a look back at your recent posts, there's almost nothing about me. Why, why, why?

(and I know I voted for DarkLight without explanation, but at least I've previously said why I suspect him)

[hiphop]

No explanation needed.

vote 0x1de

What? Of course you need to justify your vote. Taking a look back at your recent posts, there's almost nothing about me. Why, why, why?

I believe that Looker said you were scum, and there is nothing besides an innocent on you that will make me believe otherwise.

(and I know I voted for DarkLight without explanation, but at least I've previously said why I suspect him)

No, you left your vote on him, after I told you you shouldn't be setting up the quick hammer(which it did).

[0x1de]

No explanation needed.

vote 0x1de

What? Of course you need to justify your vote. Taking a look back at your recent posts, there's almost nothing about me. Why, why, why?

I believe that Looker said you were scum, and there is nothing besides an innocent on you that will make me believe otherwise.

(and I know I voted for DarkLight without explanation, but at least I've previously said why I suspect him)

No, you left your vote on him, after I told you you shouldn't be setting up the quick hammer(which it did).

hiphop, i think you are mixing things up a bit.

Looker is confirmed mafia. Why believe her?

I've never voted for DarkLight before. You are thinking of the votes for Looker.

Go re-read the thread...

[hiphop]

Yea I was thinking of Looker. Why believe you?

[0x1de]

Come on mate, either come up with a reason for voting me or retract it.

What do you think of DarkLight?

[Oman]

I am so torn right now. I've never been so indecisive at this stage of a game.

I don't like ox1de, nor do I like hiphop or darklight. I feel rather trapped.

At least we have one up our sleeves, and I can only hope that scum do not quickhammer today if we're wrong.

Vote Darklight

The hammer was inexcusable, and there hasn't been much good gen on you anyway. I can go into more detail if the people wish, but I think this vote speaks for itself.

(NOTE: Agreeing with ox1de now doesn't mean I don't have suspicions of him as well).