The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[Benmage]

So lookin at the list page one.

Kaleidiscope
Alvin
and Rosso Carne need to post more/catchup, or asked to be replaced before replacement becomes impossible.

DGB also is probably scum. Lookin at a quick iso, i get the scum move of "i'm here" cause hes postingish to appear here, without really adding anything.

[Benmage]

unvote vote DGB

[~Jordan`]

unvote vote DGB

write out name for me and explain?

[vollkan]

I really don't propose much. I just leave that to your own opinions. Tell me, would have been better if I had keep my role for myself?

I'm just saying, if any investigative role wants to test out their alignment, then investigate me.

If not, then just don't. Then, if you want to lynch me for that, then go ahead, that'll confirm me (though it will be useless). Why do you cling so much to that claim? Would you think I'm scum if I wouldn't have claimed?

{Bold mine}
Investigate, but don't vig. Little too much of a survive-at-all-cost mentality for me. Not town.

I don't like the way you are spinning what she said.

I've quoted the bolding you made above because I think it is important that you didn't bold the next sentence: "If not, then just don't."

She is not, contrary to your accusation, directing any power roles. I think it's perfectly valid to say what she has said.

See the game I linked. KK was found guilty on a N0 investigation and just happened to claim miller immediately (don't ask me how he got that lucky). He survived to endgame and won because of this. I realize it is only one game, but it was pretty highly praised move, and I think it is reason enough to shift the site meta back toward lynching claimed millers well before endgame.

*blink*

In that game, you have a fairly exceptional array of circumstances combining: odds of any given player being investigated, odds of scum deciding to claim miller, odds of that particular scum member being selected as the claimer. In short, it's not only just one game; it's also an exceptional case.

Volkan, I just don't understand why Spy backed off so quickly. You gave an excuse for DeathNote and Spy just bought it without seeming to really think about much aside from the speed of the wagon. Not all speedwagons are on town, which Spy just saw in a game where we were scumbuddies.

As Spy has already said, your interpretation of what happened here is wrong.

And that's why it's so easy for scum to hid behind a miller claim.

No.

Miller claim has the advantage for scum of effective protection from cop investigation.

It has the disadvantages of:
1) Making many people more likely to want to lynch you (Ironically, the more the meta veers in favour of lynching millers, the stronger this factor becomes);
2) Preventing other fake-claims, which both:
a) Prevents scum from saving self (and possibly causing a CC) by a PR claim; and
b) Prevents scum CCing a genuine PR claim

many posts allow for an easier slip, I believe.

What does this mean?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Sticking to my vote rawr

[curiouskarmadog]

Official Vote Count (Page 20, Day 1)

stark

-5 (Sajin, KaleiÐoscøpe, Cass, Vaya, DeathNote)
Jordan -3 (VP Baltar, SocioPath, SpyreX)
Kublai Khan -3 (milkshake, populartajo, Battle Mage)
Snow_Bunny -2 (tubby216, Kublai Khan)
DeathNote -1 (Kmd4390 )
tubby216 -1 (Plum)
Vaya -1 (stark)
Kmd4390 -1 (vollkan)
DrippingGoofball -1 (Benmage)

Not Voting:

DrippingGoofball, alvins95, Rosso Carne, LlamaFluff, Snow_Bunny, Kise, cicero, dramonic, Jordan

Note: Deadline will be at the earliest, 10/19 6:00AM EST, with 28 whole votes available, it takes 15 to lynch.

[~Jordan`]

basically means that players who spam tend to slip up from time to time. Nothing of meaning, really.

[Cass]

@Stark voters - Did you conntect council=town when you read your role?

No. I thought " 'council'... am I scum? Wait, that makes no sense. Let's read the game flavor. Ah, I see, council is a weird name for town. Now my role PM makes sense, yay."

I would really like someone to explain why Stark is town -I don't see it. I'm personally pretty sure that DN is town, though he should learn to make sure of his alignment before starting to play...

Still no voting weirdness, though a couple of people still have to vote.

Jordan needs to make less and better posts. He sounds very scummy, but I think he is just an over-enthusiastic newbie. (But could still be scum too.)

[~Jordan`]

I think he is just an over-enthusiastic newbie.

I like that "overenthusiastic newbie". Lets see if expirience fixes that, eh?

[Kublai Khan]

I was...analyzing...is this bad? /weeps in a corner

Your analysis makes no sense to me.

I really don't propose much. I just leave that to your own opinions. Tell me, would have been better if I had keep my role for myself?

I'm just saying, if any investigative role wants to test out their alignment, then investigate me.

If not, then just don't. Then, if you want to lynch me for that, then go ahead, that'll confirm me (though it will be useless). Why do you cling so much to that claim? Would you think I'm scum if I wouldn't have claimed?

{Bold mine}
Investigate, but don't vig. Little too much of a survive-at-all-cost mentality for me. Not town.

I don't like the way you are spinning what she said.

I've quoted the bolding you made above because I think it is important that you didn't bold the next sentence: "If not, then just don't."

She is not, contrary to your accusation, directing any power roles. I think it's perfectly valid to say what she has said.

Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do.

I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test.

And it's better if I claim early on.

Why?

The reason I claimed was to help investigative cops try out their sanity

(if any, and to avoid a lynch based on an investigation on me). I already give you the warn, still, if you don't believe me, you might as well lynch me and confirm it (and waste a precious lynch on a townie).

In other games with many investigative roles. It helped them clear their sanity.

In another game, a miller didn't claim and thus was killed on D2, and the whole town demanded that player to know why didn't he claim early on.

That's why I'm telling you, you can lynch me whenever you want, but I claimed for the sake of town.

If any investigating role wishes to confirm its sanity, just check me,

and if you still don't believe me, you can easily lynch me tomorrow (and thus reveal that I'm just a townie that feels guilty.)

What? She slightly took it back the fifth time she mentioned she wanted to be investigated? Well that means that Kublai Khan is totally spinning her words out of context, the cad.[/sarcasm]

(will have more thoughts on other players in next few days.)

[~Jordan`]

I was...analyzing...is this bad? /weeps in a corner

Your analysis makes no sense to me.

it doesnt? What part(s)?

[Rosso Carne]

So lookin at the list page one.

Kaleidiscope
Alvin
and Rosso Carne need to post more/catchup, or asked to be replaced before replacement becomes impossible.

DGB also is probably scum. Lookin at a quick iso, i get the scum move of "i'm here" cause hes postingish to appear here, without really adding anything.

die in a fucking fire you fucktard

[~Jordan`]

Vote Cass

for bringing up bad memories.

Daykill SpyreX

because that is how I roll.

---

If I were vig, I'd shoot Sociopath.

die in a fire n00B

what the fuck? shut up with the useless shit kthx.

So lookin at the list page one.

Kaleidiscope
Alvin
and Rosso Carne need to post more/catchup, or asked to be replaced before replacement becomes impossible.

DGB also is probably scum. Lookin at a quick iso, i get the scum move of "i'm here" cause hes postingish to appear here, without really adding anything.

die in a fucking fire you fucktard

Let's be nice now.

Those are 3 of his 4 posts, the first of whih saying solely "kill: VP Baltar".

[Rosso Carne]

Vote Cass

for bringing up bad memories.

Daykill SpyreX

because that is how I roll.

---

If I were vig, I'd shoot Sociopath.

die in a fire n00B

what the fuck? shut up with the useless shit kthx.

So lookin at the list page one.

Kaleidiscope
Alvin
and Rosso Carne need to post more/catchup, or asked to be replaced before replacement becomes impossible.

DGB also is probably scum. Lookin at a quick iso, i get the scum move of "i'm here" cause hes postingish to appear here, without really adding anything.

die in a fucking fire you fucktard

Let's be nice now.

Those are 3 of his 4 posts, the first of whih saying solely "kill: VP Baltar".

And yet I've still posted more content than benmage.

Dont tell me how to play the game please.

[~Jordan`]

Vote Cass

for bringing up bad memories.

Daykill SpyreX

because that is how I roll.

---

If I were vig, I'd shoot Sociopath.

die in a fire n00B

what the fuck? shut up with the useless shit kthx.

So lookin at the list page one.

Kaleidiscope
Alvin
and Rosso Carne need to post more/catchup, or asked to be replaced before replacement becomes impossible.

DGB also is probably scum. Lookin at a quick iso, i get the scum move of "i'm here" cause hes postingish to appear here, without really adding anything.

die in a fucking fire you fucktard

Let's be nice now.

Those are 3 of his 4 posts, the first of whih saying solely "kill: VP Baltar".

And yet I've still posted more content than benmage.

Dont tell me how to play the game please.

lol. Twas a joke. Nonetheless,

FoS Rosso Carne

[DrippingGoofball]

No.

Miller claim has the advantage for scum of effective protection from cop investigation.

It has the disadvantages of:
1) Making many people more likely to want to lynch you (Ironically, the more the meta veers in favour of lynching millers, the stronger this factor becomes);

Erm, no. The current meta is that millers that claim in their first few posts are free to run amock. This is what scum takes advatange of.

2) Preventing other fake-claims, which both:
a) Prevents scum from saving self (and possibly causing a CC) by a PR claim; and
b) Prevents scum CCing a genuine PR claim

It's a risk I've seen many a scum take.

[Rosso Carne]

Vote Cass

for bringing up bad memories.

Daykill SpyreX

because that is how I roll.

---

If I were vig, I'd shoot Sociopath.

die in a fire n00B

what the fuck? shut up with the useless shit kthx.

So lookin at the list page one.

Kaleidiscope
Alvin
and Rosso Carne need to post more/catchup, or asked to be replaced before replacement becomes impossible.

DGB also is probably scum. Lookin at a quick iso, i get the scum move of "i'm here" cause hes postingish to appear here, without really adding anything.

die in a fucking fire you fucktard

Let's be nice now.

Those are 3 of his 4 posts, the first of whih saying solely "kill: VP Baltar".

And yet I've still posted more content than benmage.

Dont tell me how to play the game please.

lol. Twas a joke. Nonetheless,

FoS Rosso Carne

O_o

n00B

[DrippingGoofball]

Benmage is town. If he were scum, his buddies would have warned him against making baseless attacks against unpredictable hot heads such as I.

Ooooo I just noticed the claimed miller wants us to waste an investigation on her to "test sanity." Hahahhahahah.

Cass, stark is town because he's always uber-scummy and always trips on his own shoelaces. The best we can hope for is for him to become rabid at random people until he hits scum, and they feel they need to NK him to shut him up. Also, he's a pretty easy day 1 scum-driven wagon. I'm very wary of this.

One of the players that has votes is scum being distanced against. This is the challenge of the day. Trust me, I've been scum many more times than a lot of you have played games. I'm considering that Kublai Khan may be it. Or maybe Kmd.

Let's run a little test.

vote: Kmd

[dramonic]

I'd policy lynch RC, but since with that attitude he'll get modkilled before too long I won't waste a vote.

DGB, I'm not sure I see any case on Kmd... <<

[vollkan]

I really don't propose much. I just leave that to your own opinions. Tell me, would have been better if I had keep my role for myself?

I'm just saying, if any investigative role wants to test out their alignment, then investigate me.

If not, then just don't. Then, if you want to lynch me for that, then go ahead, that'll confirm me (though it will be useless). Why do you cling so much to that claim? Would you think I'm scum if I wouldn't have claimed?

{Bold mine}
Investigate, but don't vig. Little too much of a survive-at-all-cost mentality for me. Not town.

I don't like the way you are spinning what she said.

I've quoted the bolding you made above because I think it is important that you didn't bold the next sentence: "If not, then just don't."

She is not, contrary to your accusation, directing any power roles. I think it's perfectly valid to say what she has said.

Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do.

I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test.

And it's better if I claim early on.

Why?

The reason I claimed was to help investigative cops try out their sanity

(if any, and to avoid a lynch based on an investigation on me). I already give you the warn, still, if you don't believe me, you might as well lynch me and confirm it (and waste a precious lynch on a townie).

In other games with many investigative roles. It helped them clear their sanity.

In another game, a miller didn't claim and thus was killed on D2, and the whole town demanded that player to know why didn't he claim early on.

That's why I'm telling you, you can lynch me whenever you want, but I claimed for the sake of town.

If any investigating role wishes to confirm its sanity, just check me,

and if you still don't believe me, you can easily lynch me tomorrow (and thus reveal that I'm just a townie that feels guilty.)

What? She slightly took it back the fifth time she mentioned she wanted to be investigated? Well that means that Kublai Khan is totally spinning her words out of context, the cad.[/sarcasm]

Thank you for assisting me in making my point.

Nowhere is she directing a power role. She's claimed empirical evidence for it helping sanity confirmation, so it's entirely valid for her to say that if a cop wishes to confirm itself, they can investigate her.

This is a classic case of people latching onto a scum motivation and ignoring the non-scum one.

No.

Miller claim has the advantage for scum of effective protection from cop investigation.

It has the disadvantages of:
1) Making many people more likely to want to lynch you (Ironically, the more the meta veers in favour of lynching millers, the stronger this factor becomes);

Erm, no. The current meta is that millers that claim in their first few posts are free to run amock. This is what scum takes advatange of.

If by "run amock" you mean "not lynched instantly", then yes.

But whenever I see miller claims the claimer always has at least some proportion of players wanting to lynch them, and another portion (rightly) becoming more amenable to a lynch (because, at the very least, you know they aren't a PR)

It's a risk I've seen many a scum take.

I've never seen it, but I accept that it happens. That doesn't in any way justify a miller lynching policy; surely the best course of action is simply to play as normal and, if they are scummy, lynch them.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd policy lynch RC, but since with that attitude he'll get modkilled before too long I won't waste a vote.

DGB, I'm not sure I see any case on Kmd... <<

Some of these non-wagon players that have votes are being "distanced" by scum. Believe me, that's a scum's first instinct, to vote their buddies for nothing right out of the gate. The "distanced" scum could be Kmd. Could be someone else. I think all the current players with votes should be given a vigorous wagon by day's end. We'd learn a lot about who hops on what and why.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's a risk I've seen many a scum take.

I've never seen it, but I accept that it happens. That doesn't in any way justify a miller lynching policy; surely the best course of action is simply to play as normal and, if they are scummy, lynch them.

You've seen it... You've seen Albert B. Rampage do it. Remember?

This is a big game. Wait until you're investigated and found guilty. IF that happens, which it may never. Claiming Day 1 in a mini is an iffy move, but in a large theme game with a huge number of players, it is mischief-making.

[stark]

Dear SB,

In terms of miller-ness, is it specified in your pm how you will show up when investigated?

[dramonic]

What kind of question is that?

[DrippingGoofball]

Actually, I think this is a more robust test:

unvote, vote: Death_Note

Please humor me and add a few votes here.