The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[DeathNote]

Vote: DeathNote

What is that L-2 or 1? Either way... this is looking surprisingly familiar to another game I was in... hmm.....

[Sajin]

Sure spyrex, but I was not trying to protect anyone. I was asked my opinion about deathnote. I answered. I simply caught a tell I thought was very telling and called them out on it. Would you have preferred me to not answer Plum? Not scum hunt? Lie?

Are you pushing a lynch so that Stark does not get called out? Lets here you answer that honestly.

Spyrex- Did you understand you were town/council immediately? Do you see the problem with stark's slip?

[SpyreX]

Actually when you said "slip" I didn't see the issue.

His reply, however is bizarre, to say the least. Issues to be dealt with later.

[Sajin]

Fair enough. Can you answer the "did you understand you were town/council immediately" question?

[SpyreX]

Yes.

More importantly than the connection that Council = Town it was very, very clear that I = Council.

Which, when Town = Council makes that question all the more scumslip by Deathnote.

[vollkan]

I need a good reason for jumping on an early bandwagon?

What are you looking for with the wagon than?

Nothing much really, but its not any worse than any other random vote.

It could have easily escalated on essentially nothingness as you urself agree your vote held no real weight. Thus leading to an innocent being forced to claim or even lynched under poor circumstances. I'm surprised you just mindlessly went along with this. Once a wagon gains speed it can easily snowball out of control with a few poor town players adding their voice and scum also backing it. Which are you?

This is just silly.

Let's assume a random wagon gets to L-1 (which isn't a bad thing imo). Unless they were an idiot, nobody would claim in that situation - and only scum would demand that the person claim.

The only risk is that a person will misread the votecount and hammer by accident - or that scum will hammer and claim to have done so by accident - but that's easily dealt with by not accepting such an excuse on policy grounds.

I would vote you now, but I see there have been 6 pages of text, so I will wait.

A random wagon vote can't be entirely random....so what were you trying to achieve by wagoning? Or get from the wagon itself?

Again, silly and overparanoid. I don't know about you, but I don't approach the random stage with a set strategy in mind. A random wagon can go many ways, depending on responses. It's basically just a matter of putting your toe in the water and seeing what happens.

Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do. I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test. And it's better if I claim early on.

Where did you learn that?

Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do. I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test. And it's better if I claim early on.

(Something tells me that I'll probably end up lynched, but still, I must do what I think it's best for town.)

vote: snow_bunny

millers need lynched

Votes need justification

(ie. why should we lynch millers?)

You know what they say when you 'assume'

No.

Now you answer

my

question:

Hey, guys, I'm the Jester-Vigilante. Optimal play here is to lynch me D1 before I take my own life in the night and win before the rest of you. Trust me, I'm the kind of Jester that won't win when strung up, so vote away.

Let's assume this is true. Why the heck would you reveal it?

Fessing for what? You act like I did something wrong... :/

This isn't a function of a simple mistake and I find your apologizing for it very offputting.

1.) His statement makes it very clear he didn't read the opening post.
2.) Further, due to the confirmation mechanics he was forced to read his PM
3.) From that AND from the opening post it is clear what the win condition is.

Thus

1.) His not knowing said win condition is testament to not having said win condition.

Maybe I am just having a brainfart, but isn't there a gaping hole in this logic: If you hadn't read the opening post and you received a Council PM, you might well think you were of non-town alignment. "The Council" does sound vaguely sinister.

[SpyreX]

HAHAHA

Lets play a round of:

I'm illiterate, whats your excuses?

Unvote

Ok, that looked bad, but contextually good lord it makes sense and I'm calling semi-shenanigans.

You don't want to welcome an investigation?

That depends.... is council town?

So, good lord, it makes sense.

THAT SAID, DeathNotes responses, saying he's going to active lurk, self-vote AND absence of a claim after putting himself at L-1 are a giant :headdesk: and I may want to go through with this wagon just because.

However, we've got some wagoners with some splainin' to do.

That said, Dramonic is town.

[SpyreX]

Thanks Volkan for making me THINK about this and actually LOOK back at what happened.

[DeathNote]

unvote

Just needed a little... push.

I agree, thanks Volkan. I had a feeling that I was going to be ignored up until the actual lynch.

[SpyreX]

Ohh I'm double not happy that you're AROUND and self voted instead of simply explaining this.

You may still get hung and I've already got working theories based on your flip mr.

[vollkan]

However, we've got some wagoners with some splainin' to do.

Yup, definitely.

I can understand how a person might initially misunderstand what DN said, but it really surprises me how many people jumped on the wagon when it hit me almost immediately why the logic underpinning it was just completely wrong

unvote

Just needed a little... push

As Spyrex said, lurking + self-vote = *headdesk*. Don't do that again.

[populartajo]

Seems I missed a major bandwagon.

My first reaction to my PM was okay, mmm, aligned to the council, kay no partners, wins when all who oppose The Council are eliminated, yey, town. Now that I think about it, I could also have assumed that I was some kind of traitorish role working for the councilscum powers (I dont know why I didnt) but after seeing the op, I confirmed I was town.

So I can see why someone could have made this mistake. Dont totally understand it but its not that impossible considering what vollkan just said. With that said, this wagon smells bad for some reason

There are tons of interesting reactions.

For example:

That depends.... is council town?

In this post, we see DN is a third party

Unvote
Vote: DeathNote

Incidentally, I don't like third parties.

I think this reaction is one of the most prob townies. It doesnt make sense for scum to try to paint this as a third party slip. Also additional fact: could be timestamps but the group of Plum, kk and Spyrex apparently missed Deathnote post.

Kublai, Spyrex and Plum are better players than simple bandwagoners. IGMEOY.

Can I join the bandwagon?

Vote: DeathNote

Well, my role pm made it clear that the Council was town, so if you really didn't know it's because YOU ARE NOT TOWN!!!!

Err, how did your pm made it clear that the Council was town?

Socio is ignoring the deathnote situation and Im very close to call Benmage confirmed town for the rest of the game.

Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.

It should say it in your PM, scum.

unvote

Vote: DeathNote

Where?

Kise, stop playing stupid.

When I first read my PM I was thoroughly confused. Only by reading the opening post did I understand that the council was the ruling body of the town (and not a informed minority of it like the word "council" could imply). So I could easily see how deathnote made a similar mistake to that. If you wish to think he was scummy for not understanding his alignment prior to posting in thread, fine- I can see that. But I do not think that not quite understanding the correlation is scummy in and of itself. It certainly does not deserve the quickness of this wagon.

Stark's slip I cannot see.

What do you think of Stark, plum?

Sajin is town.

And Vollkan is town.

[milkshake]

What about the investigation claim?

I would also like to know: what about the investigation claim, Kise?

And, if it is legit, did you direct it yourself? If so, extreme coincidence.

[Battle Mage]

True. But my issue is more with you attacking him beforehand. The whole thing seems a little contrived...

I was in class and had a vote with no reason sitting in front of me, so I asked about it.

Whereas your Kise vote was perfectly well validated? I think not. lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

Benmage is obvtown.

BM

[tubby216]

@VP i hate letting millers live it always ends up being all WIFOM'y tward the middle or close to end game. I'd rather lynch them now and be done with them.

BTW anyone Notice Kscope has yet to post???

[Cass]

Snowbunny and Stark seem to have scum-slipped.

Unvote; Vote: Snow_bunny
HoS: Stark

I found my role pm kinda confusing. Upon reading the word council, I thought scum, so I checked the flavor and things made much more sense. *facepalm* about DN and Benmage playing without knowing their alignment. Probably townies though...

[curiouskarmadog]

Official Vote Count (Page 10, Day 1)

DeathNote

-7 (dramonic, Benmage, Kublai Khan, Plum, Snow_Bunny, stark, Kise)
Jordan -5 (vollkan, VP Baltar, SocioPath, Battle Mage, Vaya)
Cass - 2 (Jordan, Porkens)
Snow_Bunny -2 (tubby216, Cass)
Kise -1 (populartajo)
Benmage -1 ( Kmd4390)
tubby216 -1 (cicero)
Kublai Khan -1 (milkshake)
stark -1 (Sajin)

Not Voting:

DrippingGoofball, alvins95, Rosso Carne, KaleiÐoscøpe, SpyreX, DeathNote

Note: Deadline will be at the earliest, 10/19 6:00AM EST, with 28 whole votes available, it takes 15 to lynch.

[stark]

I'm sorry, I've obviously missed something.

Please explain where you think "I Slipped".

[Battle Mage]

You aren't going to spam why? Cuz I called you out on it? You're obvscum and have to be lynched ASAP.

Better yet,

Kill Benmage

Porkens made an early kill in a game once and hit my scumbuddy. Let's see where this gets us.

Win. Benmage's reaction is priceless.

Unvote, Vote: Plum

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do. I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test. And it's better if I claim early on.

(Something tells me that I'll probably end up lynched, but still, I must do what I think it's best for town.)

confirmed town, barring a counter-claim.

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote

so yah this pact thing who's up for it?

YO! I already said i was in! Now, proxy me your vote already!

BM

[VP Baltar]

Hey budddy, don't die so early this time...K

shh, don't encourage anyone.

why should we lynch millers?

Should we not? Don't make me get kublai in here.

Thanks Volkan for making me THINK about this and actually LOOK back at what happened.

I don't know you to be a person who doesn't think about things. You seem to be playing quite reckless this game so far, why is that?

I would also like to know: what about the investigation claim, Kise?

And, if it is legit, did you direct it yourself? If so, extreme coincidence.

Hint: get with the program.

Happy birthday, BM!

[Porkens]

It's very unlikely that I'm going to be able to keep up with the pace of this game.

good lord.

[Battle Mage]

Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do. I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test. And it's better if I claim early on.

(Something tells me that I'll probably end up lynched, but still, I must do what I think it's best for town.)

vote: snow_bunny

millers need lynched

Thats dumb. Why would Snow Bunny-scum claim miller, when she was highly unlikely to be investigated, and it would put her under loads of heat? She's pretty well confirmed town imo.

Battle Mage & myself recently avoided contacting chlamydia from Kelly Chen.

Lmao! From this point on, i'm actually going to read your posts.

I ain't hetero, Haylen is hermaphrodite dear. She's got boobs but down there she's all male.

0.o Conversely, i'm giving your posts a wide berth from now on...

Kise - why no love?

Anyone know if Benmage is an idiot or faking it?

Haha, i hope you've got the feet for those shoes...

Kise, I'm completely lost through your claim. What are you, a suicidal 3-shot cop?

Also, if your investigations are true and not another weird trick of yours, then we can presume you're insane.

Unvote, Vote: Dramonic

So i lied!

BM