The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[tubby216]

Vote Tubby216

for following me from game to game.

and cicero check agian you followed me here,,lol

vote:benmage

for not posting

[tubby216]

Vote Tubby216

for following me from game to game.

and cicero check agian you followed me here,,lol

vote:benmage

for not posting

No. You are just such a good stalker you can anticipate my movements.

actually i thought i would be able to hide out here. apartantly you are a good seeker

[tubby216]

Lol, i wonder why that was? -0.5 to both mages. :'(

Gd'it! Didn't Yaw teach you anything...stop flooding the thread.

yah but this game is lacking DDD so we don't have wade through pages and pages of typed out verbal diaharea.

i surprised we have gotten to page three and ther eis no mention of a pact?

any takers?? one time offer!

[tubby216]

unvote

so yah this pact thing who's up for it?

[tubby216]

Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do. I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test. And it's better if I claim early on.

(Something tells me that I'll probably end up lynched, but still, I must do what I think it's best for town.)

vote: snow_bunny

millers need lynched

[tubby216]

@VP i hate letting millers live it always ends up being all WIFOM'y tward the middle or close to end game. I'd rather lynch them now and be done with them.

BTW anyone Notice Kscope has yet to post???

[tubby216]

working on the articles of the pact.

btw happy bday BM

[tubby216]

ok with that post snow needs lynched NOW!

more snow vote please

[tubby216]

hi thar llama, long time no see

[tubby216]

Snow Bunny is obvtown. You have 1 post in which to remove your vote from her, or you earn mine.

I can't believe you are actually making me link this game. You just wanted to dig up the wounds after they finally healed.

stop being dense get on board and lynch snow NOW!! or you will earn my vote!


btw pact thing is off cause i can't word the articles correctly, leaves too much room for the any potential scum entering the pact to manipulate the pact

[tubby216]

Snow Bunny read that game? I doubt it. I can sympathise with your meta, but in this case, i still feel it's highly unlikely Bunny is running a gambit. And if it IS a gambit, it probably deserves a good run.

I don't know if he did or not, but it was certainly the talk of the town when it happened, so I wouldn't doubt he could have heard of it. Regardless, I'm willing to ignore it now because there are other scummy characters to deal with Day 1 and maybe, just maybe, it will resolve itself. That being said, I'm not going to support him getting anywhere near endgame and if that means a lynch, so be it.

no screw that stand up to bm. whats bm gonna do spam the thread? take your birthday away? BM is mortal and therefore faulable like NOW.

[tubby216]

Tubby:

Pact? What's the precedent for that, and what do you mean by it? You push it for two posts, take a break to vote SB with what seems to be an "I policy-lynch Millers" stance, go back to working on this mysterious, ultimately useless 'pact', break from your pure policy-lynch stance to argue that SB is scummier than before without offering useful details.

tubby216 wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Snow Bunny is obvtown. You have 1 post in which to remove your vote from her, or you earn mine.

I can't believe you are actually making me link this game. You just wanted to dig up the wounds after they finally healed.


stop being dense get on board and lynch snow NOW!! or you will earn my vote!


Why is having what appears to be a mere difference of opinion on the subject of this sort of policy-lynch scummy? You also say the under-explained 'pact', which you've spent much of your posts blah blah blah. Another exhortation - a pushy, almost bullying one - to get VP Baltar to join the SB wagon without explaining very well why. Above all I see no actual scumhunting, just talk of a pact and some kazoo-tooting for what he tries to pass off as a policy lynch - but his actions and tone don't quite match up. Tubby, what do you think of SB's claimed flavor?

1st the pact, I believe the first appearance was in Mafia 82, where BM brought it up and it failed there to.But anyway I was always interested in the idea but i cannot get the wording down right to make it more usefull for scum hunting. Basically people will enter the pact and vote and hunt as a group in a sense greating a game within a game.


2nd snow bunny, her post 262 on page 11, just smells really bad of scum setting an investigative trap. Especially in a game this size and this complex. either a) she is scum and will come up guilty and thus being confirmed will cost for the rest of the game. b) she is some type of GF hybrid that cause all investigatives to call their sanity into qquestion. c) the scum group does have a watcher and their watcher will be able see who targets her.
So in that post alone we have, trying to direct pro-town investigative roles, and a giant appeal to emotion. Ever post there after seems like a bigger appeal than the one before it.

I feel that there are far better choices for the investigative roles to look into in i leave it to them to make their choices.

@ lama yes i played a couple games with millers on site and got burrned buy them don't like they should be lynched and lynched early when the town still has the numbers to recover.

@ snowbunny good luck on your meta read, here are some helpful tips. you can ask Vi or Adele they have the best meta reads on me that are currently n ot in this game. Or you could look at. Mafia 82, Mafia 88, Xyl's relative chaos, Mini 806,Vipod mafia,newbie 779,newbie 795,

wich reminds me i need to do a wiki page sometime soon.

[tubby216]

The answer and motivation are consistent with a miller role. However that's pretty easy for scum to fake. The part I dislike most about Snow_Bunny's claim is the repeated insistence that she be investigated before we lynch her.

This.

Everyone in this game has a power. I hardly find it unlikely that some scum's power could be to identify the powers and/or people that target them. Depending on how and when outcomes are communicated it is possible that that info could then be passed on to scumbuddies. Heck the surprise could be even nastier than that.

Most miller claims are "don't waste an investigation on me". This one is "please waste an investigation on me." Weird.

Even if Snow Bunny is a miller, it's always bad to have scum know where cops will be pointed. If they have a watcher, you've basically given away the cops to the scum.

So this is all kinds of dumb. I don't think sanity testing outweighs the harm.

likes this post alot!

hey are you and I in agreement on something?

btw who you votin?

[tubby216]

Not Voting: DrippingGoofball, alvins95, Rosso Carne, LlamaFluff, Snow_Bunny, Kise

You know whats awesome? Since I posted that:

Kise, Llama, DGB AND Alvinz all post.

Ohh wait, that's the antithesis of awesome.

Once tubby answers my question I will have a vote. Should be fairly obvious who is the front runner for my vote is however.

what you want links? i think i answered the other questions

[tubby216]

Not Voting: DrippingGoofball, alvins95, Rosso Carne, LlamaFluff, Snow_Bunny, Kise

You know whats awesome? Since I posted that:

Kise, Llama, DGB AND Alvinz all post.

Ohh wait, that's the antithesis of awesome.

Once tubby answers my question I will have a vote. Should be fairly obvious who is the front runner for my vote is however.

what you want links? i think i answered the other questions

Yeah, I said that already. So links please

well you are going to have to wait while i go through all of my games to find them

[tubby216]

llama i tried goin through my games to find them for you but i simply don't have the time.

but i am pretty sure i tried to lynch the claimed miller as soon as they claimed in everygame

[tubby216]

you people make fat guy's head hurt

[tubby216]

Well, just an advice for those who want to vig me. If there's going to be any vigging for me, at least do it during the day, when it's untraceable.

Do you seriously mean that???

so seriously answer this.

since just a few pages ago you were callin for investigative roles to look at you when they can be tracked, but omg don't kill me at nite cause you'll get tracked??

you are scum and need lynched,

More votes fo snow please

[tubby216]

Well, just an advice for those who want to vig me. If there's going to be any vigging for me, at least do it during the day, when it's untraceable.

Do you seriously mean that???

so seriously answer this.

since just a few pages ago you were callin for investigative roles to look at you when they can be tracked, but omg don't kill me at nite cause you'll get tracked??

Tubby, explain to me how is this a reason to call someone scum. Because Im clearly not seeing it.

really?? sseriously i am still drunk from my birthday and see it.

why is it better for cops to look at snow at nite than it is for a vig to kill her?

first snow states its better for the cops to look at her to comfirm sanity.

then snow states for vig's not to kill her at nite so they won't get tracked /watched.

if snow was town snow would want to be watched/tracked and vig'd all in one nite that way the cops can comfirm vig's

being town is not a two way street you either are you aren't.

And snow is not and needs lynched,

1) for trying to direct pro town powerroles
2) consistant appeal to emotion
3) for haveing nothing to offer on anybody else.

so lets lynch snow and move on please!!!!

[tubby216]

tubby216: Slightly scummy, tunneling through and through on SB. Pretty sure the pact thing was a bunch of crap.
Q1) In SB's position, what would you do? Lynch yourself?

I don't believe her claim, that coupl,ed with her play leads me to believe she is scum. If it were me i would have claimed first post then got to work on hunting scum. wich i feel snow has failed to do so.

[tubby216]

game with a miller and tubby/vollkan.

The situation was somewhat different (day 2 claim of miller), but the reaction from tubby was very different. (88... 77 was in refrence to large 88, iso [tubby] 77)

Sorry for a bit of a delay, but I just wanted to see how much I could get people to comment on this situation while still not knowing much about what I was talking about. When you also look at a majority of tubbys posts have been locking in on one thing and not paying attention to/commenting on much else, im happy with my vote. An explaination is warrented.

omfg, please try harder you are better than this llama,

so you think sb's play has been townie thus far in this game??

you think i am a better choice? I bet you thought Obama would fix the world too huh. good luck

[tubby216]

Llama had a valid point, Tubby.

BM, why?

no llama is reaching go go go Mr Fantastic

[tubby216]

vp i don't explain anything, but i will tell you to look at the time stamp on that game , my join date and figure it out.

[tubby216]

fine

unvote

vote: kmd

meh io would have rather lynched snow but what ev's

[tubby216]

ok when the three current proctologists pull their collective heads out of rectal cavities call me.


in the meantime i''l be around

[tubby216]

Translation: more tubby votes.

Retranslation,

"You cannot see the trees, cause the forest is in your way

re-read and try agian,

vote dripping goofball

try harder you contributuon thus far is fail

[tubby216]

1) We've spent tooooo mmuuuuucchhhh tiiiimmmeee debating SB's scumness, and we're not getting anywhere. If Tubby flips scum, then there is no debate whatsoever.

We have not spent a ridiculous amount of time on SB? We're not going to conclude anything new.

Tubby is the best lynch today.

We have spent a lot of time debating SB, what I objected to was the conclusion that if we lynch tubby we'll somehow know for sure the alignment of SB.

I don't want to spend time off on a tangent, but it's worth noting stark just last page said that if tubby = scum then SB =scum, and if SB isn't NKed, SB=scum. Both of those things aren't true and look bad to me in a vacuum.

thank you i was gonna jump on this but you beat me too it. well done

[tubby216]

People I think need to be lynched in the immediate future:

Benmage
tubby
milkshake

I can deal with this. I think I can also possibly determine whether Tubby is a better lynch than milkshake, my current top suspect.

Tubby, what's your Rolename? Please answer ASAP.

with only two votes i think not cast your line into another pond plum.

[tubby216]

Hey kids, I'm an idiot, remind me what the case is on Tubby kthx.

When bunny claimed miller, Tubby immediately called for her lynch, saying that all claimed millers must die. But Llama found another game he was in where someone claimed miller and he didn't react at all like this there. And when asked here why his opinion on millers seemed to suddenly change or what caused it to change, he brushes off the point and refuses to answer.

Vote: tubby

if you call that game being over a year old sudden then sure, and why does my opinion change make me scummy,

seriously some heads need to come out of rectal cavities and do some original thinkin here.

[tubby216]

You were a legit suspect yesterday and remain one. Milkshake is scummy, but I'm sticking with this pond.

Unvote; Vote: tubby216

Delay does you no favors. I need to determine if you're a better lynch than Milkshake; please cooperate.

play the game moar, your are using the wrong bait


meh lame

[tubby216]

ok so here is my one tinme defense since you guy are dense an fail at connect-the-dots,

1) the miller game that was sited by lama is over a year old obv i changed my mind.

2) look back at what i said about sb, it wasn't only the miller claim but more over the directing of poswer roles that pinged me.

3) I hammered KMD but obviously enough of you thought he was guilty enough to be lynched, and I am the bad guy here for putting him out of his misery when he had been at l-1 for awhile


seriously, these people are failing at this game,

DGB,plum,vaya,sajin
^ there is scum in there ,,,,staying with DGB

and no not claiming what so ever not the name not flavor not whole thing,

but after last nite milkshake is most likely town

[tubby216]

You were a legit suspect yesterday and remain one. Milkshake is scummy, but I'm sticking with this pond.

Unvote; Vote: tubby216

Delay does you no favors. I need to determine if you're a better lynch than Milkshake; please cooperate.

play the game moar, your are using the wrong bait


meh lame

If it's the wrong bait and you won't bite I'll lynch you anyway.

I'll ask you once more:

What is your Role name?

no. please read the thread and try playing the game ok thanks

[tubby216]

but after last nite milkshake is most likely town

What, are you trying to take me down with you? ^^ I am town, don't you do any weird counter-productive suggestions to the contrary!

no i am trying to clear you pay attention

[tubby216]

[tubby216]

I am The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny
essentially i have the power to entertian children they flock to me in droves, and while they do that it gives me an opurntunity to hide,
I work for thw council in their day care facility

So basically i am a hider i hide at nite last nite i hid behind milkshake who if milkshake were a converter i'd be killed

are we all satisfied now??

[tubby216]

breadcrum

Vote Tubby216

for following me from game to game.

and cicero check agian you followed me here,,lol

vote:benmage

for not posting

No. You are just such a good stalker you can anticipate my movements.

actually i thought i would be able to hide out here. apartantly you are a good seeker

[tubby216]

Plum, unless you can explain how "happy hoppy fuzzy bunny" is a viable rolename, your unvote is plain antitown.

Unvote
Vote: Tubby

this isn't how this works dram,

you do not get to try to get me lynched and out plum as well one or the other please,

[tubby216]

[qoute="volkan"]The question is (fairly simply):
What made you change your mind?

A change of opinion in this particular game without some reason for it is scummy. The fact that the other game is a year old is relevant, but 'd still like you to answer the above. [/quote]

ok agian reason for changing stance on millers,

I did not like how that game turned out with the miller claim, I also ran across millers in games offsite, i discuss the miller question at length with ofther mafia players and i feel currently we should lynch all millers.

[tubby216]

volkan,

you asked me why i changed my mind i answered that.

now if you want to know why i think lynching millers is a good idea thats a different question

[tubby216]

How is tubby-town fairly plausible???????

because

A) i claimed truthfully
B) scum aligned hider is weak and makes no sense when everyone has a role of some sort
C) you suck at pushing wagons
D) and most important I AM TOWN


you have played this game before right stark?

[tubby216]

For the Plum/tubby thing. Again, no way in hell that Plum-scum would risk her town-cred on tubby-scum. He's really not worth it as a scumpal. In fact, he's more of the archetypal busing victim. tubby may yet be scum.

see this hurt fat guys feelings,, then i remembered I am not scum you are and all was right with the world agian.

[tubby216]

DGB, what's with the vote jumping? You've been changing your vote back and forth. What's your scumlist? And who do you want to see lynched today? Make up your mind.

its cause dgb has ADD when DGB is scum, ergo vote DGB

[tubby216]

sorry been havin puter issues,

i hid behind BM i lived ergo best to my knowledge BM= town aligned

[tubby216]

nope i am down with lynching milkshake

vote:milkshake

[tubby216]

Not enthralled with the milkshake lynch at this moment, though I do have some pages to catch up on. Tubby is so obv. scum it's not even funny.

Unvote, Vote:Tubby216

Proper post coming later today when I have a bit more time.

here is the thing,

i am a hider, i sent in my choice on who to hide behind. now if i managed to crawl in the buble with milk there by allowing me to live, or i missed due to milks bubleization nite 1 i have no idea,

look its not gaurenteed. all i know is if hide behind scum i am dead,

so to sum it up it is fowlable since i don't get a result i just get a notice that my request was recieved.

then i look in the morning to see if i am alive or dead. So all i know i targeted Milkshake nite 1 and targeted BM nite 2

but it makes sense if dram targeted milk nite 1 and no kill then all of a sudden nite 2 there is an extra kill noone else claimed responsibility its milks fault, plum confirmed blockage last nite,

so word of advice to VP, sometimes just sometimes VP it is as simple as it seems, stop reading too far into it,

[tubby216]

@All:

Are you getting confirmations that your actions WORKED or just that the mod RECEIVED them? This needs to be answered doubly by the roleblockers.

I get told that the choice was received. Not whether or not it actually did anything.


tubby, for not responding for 2 days, and only comes in to lynch milkshake, is super scummy.
Because his action definitely came across as lazy scum forgetting that milk being scum would make him scum because of the whole death thing. With his short-sighted quick response, I'm pretty sure it didn't go through his head, 'oh, Milkshake was JK'D, and therefor could be scum, but I didn't die because he was JK'D.' Those thoughts going through his head, seem unlikely, especially since he only took the time to vote, and not more to even try and explain his innocence.

Also, in future days, I'd like it for RBers to claim their night choices LAST, in order to make scum squirm more with actions they are lying about.

have you read any game i was in before??

in the mean time do some rethinkin

[tubby216]

@Tubby:

Does your hide actions say "hide behind converters = death" or "hide behind non-town = death".

Did you breadcrumb hiding behind BM?

Why did you choose BM?

my hide actions say converters=death,

no breadcrum, but BM "battlemage" was quiet so i picked him wich either means he is busy or bored town i took a risk and figured bored town.

Tubby: did you hide behind Battle Mage or Benmage? Ambitiousness wants clarification.

ok for clarification if i type BM or Bm its Battlemage, if i am reffering to Benmage it will be typed out. i do not know Benmage well enough to abreviate his name.

and i think that answers everything, if there is nmore i have to answer for let me know

[tubby216]

First, some housekeeping:

NPC, The Giver, Strangled Pre Game

"Strangle" = mafia kill

26.) populartajo, The Rodent Tamer, With the Council, Throat slit Night 1
15.) DrippingGoofball, The Cloner, With the Council, Throat slit Night 2
22.) vollkan, The Consumer, With the Council, Strangled Night 2

"Throat slit" = sk kill

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So the case on milkshake is that there was no extra kill while he was RBed but there was an extra kill while he was RBed, right?

There are various other possibilities here (doc protect, jailed, missed NK, etc) that could explain this. Why haven't these been considered?

One other thing. Dramonic, you're saying you jailed milk, and there was no mafia kill. My question to you - why didn't you jail him again to test your theory, and perhaps prevent another kill?

what?? did you just do what i think you did

[tubby216]

One other thing. Dramonic, you're saying you jailed milk, and there was no mafia kill. My question to you - why didn't you jail him again to test your theory, and perhaps prevent another kill?

Because Plum was also RBed. I found her more suspicious than Milk. Additionally, if she was telling the truth, I protected her from a potential kill so that her partner wouldn,t have to reveal himself if Plum really is what she claims to be.

What? That doesn't make sense. Your theory is that Milk is scum and you blocked his kill. What does that have to do with Plum?

really?? ok step back take breath and read before posting cause your logic is fail

but i'll let dram point it out,

@dram get your crayons he may need a diagram or something to understand this

[tubby216]

I think the milkshake case I think may be inconclusive. Correlation =/= Causation.

That being said:

Vote: Tubby

Ridiculous once again

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Also,

VP Baltar

, is there any reason why SC might think you're scum based on blocking/taking your ability last night?

why are you so useless??

try harder

[tubby216]

^^^ likely Dram partner.

Heh, I was thinking tubby partner.

hey i was thinkin you guy be the scum imagine that i guess we're all retarded huh


lama,

i die if i hide behind a converter, thats all it says

[tubby216]

milkshake,
snowbunny

SC

^scum

[tubby216]

I think VP should just post everything, and his method of tabulation. All the raw data is in the thread anyway.

i think thats a lil rude,,

you never ask a magician to reveal his tricks

[tubby216]

i have read enough

unvote, vote sajin

[tubby216]

pz is there any breadcrumming to your role?

[tubby216]

tubby, why would you question the cop's sanity yesterday?

i did not question his sanity i asked for breadcrums entirely different subject.

vote milkshake

ps my hide must have failed cause i picked to hide behind pz

[tubby216]

Unvote vote tubby

why or are you doing you dense routine agian?


i voted milkshake cause i still support dram's(even though dram was scum it makes sense to for scum to hunt down sk) point about the strangle and the block thing. I believe milk to be an SK. I reported my hide target with my first post like i am susposed to.

[tubby216]

Vote: tubby

Anyone have any idea how tubby's hide could fail? Because short of a role like dram described, I don't know how a hide could be stopped. I'd say its likely he's fakeclaiming at this point.

Something else to take notice of is this.

Note:

Giving you 3 weeks, Deadline will be at the earliest 12/01 at 8:00 PM EST. With 15 whole votes available, it takes 8 to lynch.

There are 16 alive, one a doublevoter, but only 15 votes in play. Mod told me that this was correct. Was anyone told of having lost a vote today.

what i am saying it probably failed since i am still here and pz is not weither that or i was targeted but because i chose pz to hide behind he was killed.

all i know is the nite actions resolve at different times, and that if hide behind a converter i am dead. So i chose PZ since i figured he would not be a converter

[tubby216]

Tubby: To confirm, you don't get actual Mod PMs about whether your Hide failed - yes or no?

correct all i get is confirmation the mod recieved my action that is all

[tubby216]

I don't think it is, but let's find out.

Vote: tubby

um vp i already claimed remember so how does voting me support a massclaim?

[tubby216]

oh ok nvm i gott it now

[tubby216]

oh ok nvm i gott it now

Feel free to get to those questions scumbag.

what questions i answered them. No need for hostilities.

[tubby216]

@tubby-yeah, you're correct. I didn't remember that correctly, just that you seemed to be questioning the validity of the cop claim. So, why were you asking him for breadcrumbs? Did you not believe PZ at that time?

Tubby, could you answer this?

tubby, to clarify on something else, does your role PM say you die like a hider normally does when you hide behind a townie who is killed?

Answer away.

asked ans answered do you not read??


re-read pg 113, posts 2807 and 2824, asked and answered

[tubby216]

you asked if i called into question pz's sanity . I did not. I asked if he had any breadcrums to his role ability. asking for breadcrumbs does not question the roles sanity.

Vote: tubby

Anyone have any idea how tubby's hide could fail? Because short of a role like dram described, I don't know how a hide could be stopped. I'd say its likely he's fakeclaiming at this point.

Something else to take notice of is this.

Note:

Giving you 3 weeks, Deadline will be at the earliest 12/01 at 8:00 PM EST. With 15 whole votes available, it takes 8 to lynch.

There are 16 alive, one a doublevoter, but only 15 votes in play. Mod told me that this was correct. Was anyone told of having lost a vote today.

what i am saying it probably failed since i am still here and pz is not weither that or i was targeted but because i chose pz to hide behind he was killed.

all i know is the nite actions resolve at different times, and that if hide behind a converter i am dead. So i chose PZ since i figured he would not be a converter

[tubby216]

you asked if i called into question pz's sanity . I did not. I asked if he had any breadcrums to his role ability. asking for breadcrumbs does not question the roles sanity.

See, now you are simply being willful about it and it's getting old.

So, why were you asking him for breadcrumbs? Did you not believe PZ at that time?

Stop dodging and answer these two questions. You have not. I said I misremembered about the sanity thing. That is no longer the question I am asking you.

Your answer to Vaya's question is also dodgey, so I will make it a simple yes or no question for your ease.

YES OR NO, does your role pm say you die if you are hiding behind town and they die?

stop being a dick its annoying.

no i did not believe pz. i wanted to look at it a little better since he claimed the guitly to me late in the day then everyone happily followed a lil to quick for my liking but a converter was lynched so all is good.

I have no idea if i die if the person i targeted dies. All it says if i hide behind a converter i die. so i guess the answer your looking for would be NO

are happy now ???

[tubby216]

Hey tubby

I should self vote

fixed for you

[tubby216]

I have reason to believe Tubby is a cult leader

really??

[tubby216]

has no drugs

[tubby216]

Before I claim, I need to know if anyone has drugs.

No drugs here. You plan on waiting for everyone in the game to answer this before you claim?

That's obv not realistic

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Vote Tubby216

for following me from game to game.

and cicero check agian you followed me here,,lol

vote:benmage

for not posting

No. You are just such a good stalker you can anticipate my movements.

actually i thought i would be able to hide out here. apartantly you are a good seeker

I'm about 80% that this is not tubby breadcrumbing, or atleast not for what he claimed to be. I think this is him trying to find me.

I am The Seeker = Cult-Cop

The converters are not responsible for the death of the giver.

I also have reason to believe that this is true. In my PM, it says that in my research, I've found out about The Cult of the Goma, who tried to destroy the Goma a while ago. Now I believe that the Cult is back, and may be responsible for the death of the Giver.

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I've done iso reads of KK, dramonic and tubby. In all three, I've found tubby to be at odds with dramonic and KK, who both flipped Converter. With this in mind, as well as tubby's consistant non-town play, I believe that tubby is a member, if not the leader, of the Cult of the Goma.

Regarding the drugs-

I know that the cult brainwashes their victims. My power is to detect if someone's mind has been altered.

The use of a drug called Cava looks the same to me IE false positive upon investigation.

Atleast up to Night 2, Plum is not cult. The rest of my targets are dead.

this is the most fabricated peice-o-shite i have ever read. good job

[tubby216]

unvote, vote snow bunny

i think thats the correct lynch

[tubby216]

Tubby needs to die. His claim sounds more bunk with every passing night. He's claiming he hid behind a dead person for christ's sake. If he doesn't die when he hides behind someone, he's essentially UNK unless he gets behind a converter.

While stark's cult theory isn't as open as shut as an investigation, tubby's breadcrumb does look shady.

Night sucks, but lynching scum makes it tolerable. [/discussion]

i think you are full of it. it is highly possible that PZ was killed prior to my hide going through. so in essence i did not hide at all last night. I never receive wether or not my hides are successful. All i get is that the mod received my pm.

this cult bullshit sounds like alot of weaksausce.

but i would hope that you lynch me quickly so i do not have to try to defend myself from this lunacy any longer.

[tubby216]

so you targeted PZ and its far morelikely that i am cult than you are scum/sk??

interesting

[tubby216]

i think enough roles are out in the open now that you should simply hammer me and watch me swing from the gallows, then you will turn on VP and stark,

[tubby216]

i think enough roles are out in the open now that you should simply hammer me and watch me swing from the gallows, then you will turn on VP and stark,

I'm sorry, I can't read that. I'm trying to hard to force the town into a miss-lynch

fixed

[tubby216]

i think you are full of it. it is highly possible that PZ was killed prior to my hide going through. so in essence i did not hide at all last night. I never receive wether or not my hides are successful. All i get is that the mod received my pm.

Nowhere in the history of mafia would a kill resolve before a hide. That simply does not make sense. That's like having a vig resolve before a roleblocker. It negates the function of the role.

I absolutely and totally agree.

Tubby your claim is absolutely horrible and makes no sense give your later target claims and the thread results.


I have no drugs that I know of. (and I would like to point out that when I was being pressured yesterday, stark was asking if I had "anything else" that I was leaving out of my role. I assume this is what he meant, now)

what do you want me to do? Do you think that if i were to come up with a fake claim that A) I would claim a role I have never used or seen?
B) I would claim a dead target?

I mean I may be an asshole, I may be retarded, hell I may be the worst mafia player ever. But I am not so stupid as to fake while so many people in this game have a fairly good meta read of me.

shit if i was a cult recruiter i could have come up with something better.

Sometimes things are simply are what they are.

[tubby216]

Or you clearly don't understand how a hider works and you thought you could get away with hiding behind a dead person so you didn't have to "confirm" any more innocents (or out your buddies by claiming you hid with them).

really i chose PZ because he was most likely that he was not a convert. How is it my fault for picking a guy who was gonna die? now you think i am clairvoyant as well as cult? interesting

[tubby216]

Considering Zito died I do not think we have a protective role, VP.

Unless, there was some bus driving going on by scum. That would explain a Zito death with a protective role going on. Could also explain Tubby's failed hide if he is legit. Could. But not very likely.


Meh.


@Tubby- The point of a hider is to clear people. Not to be protected. Why were you targeting a guy who was obv town at that point?

i thought the clearing was a bonus. I diddn't like the other choices available to me

[tubby216]

omfg plz lynch me now so stark will shut up.

if he lives wich he won't he'll be all like " well at least tubby was so useless to this game. I need to start policy lynching that guy on site"

just put me out of my misery

[tubby216]

ok so vp and stark,

How many converters do you think are left?

how many cultist do you believe are out there.

is there only one recruiter for the cult?

How odd is it out of all of the deaths none has reviled a cult?

Is there an sk or is the cult responsible for the other kills?

[tubby216]

[quote="SpyreX"]Its waiting for the CLAIMS to claim then we can get to the hangin.

In a hurry?[/quote

and to top it off she isn't even voting me.

hmm interesting

[tubby216]

i cannot wait till i am lynched and i flipp. then stark will have some serious splainin to do

unvote, vote Tubby

have fun screwin yourselves into a conner

[tubby216]

i am at l-2

[tubby216]

@Spyrex- I think scum wanted to get rid of the other kill and this had far less to do with me. Your ignoring the fact that dramonic was on my wagon and trying to use a statement that shows he was going after the other kill to convince others he was defending me. What are your thoughts on Plum and Battlemage?

He was on your wagon after it looked like due to mod issues that you were going up the rope.

He stayed there because the other wagon was HIM.

Plum only bothers me because Plum has not-playing-itis.
BM has been bothersome most of the game - if tubby DOES flip cult I would go that way.

Although I'm having real issues with the cult - SK, Mafia AND Cult?

that is why stark is completely and utterly full of shit, an vp crawling up srark's ass and being starks personal cheering section it bullsit too. and if this town is so blinded by this monumental pile of bullshit then i am far better off swinging.

do the math it doesn't work, it also doesn't work that i have any connection at all to this cult,
at best stark and vp are retarded poor playing town, at worst the are the last two remaining converters bulling the town into myslynch.

either way i am done i don't care just lynch me quickly so i don't have to continue to post

[tubby216]

i really don't want to go down voting myself. so i'll support the big guy BM

unvote, vote:stark

[tubby216]

yah please claim so that way vp and stark can get together tonite and make yup another random ass bullshit fairytale to get you lynched tomorrow

[tubby216]

I'm just waiting to vote tubby until we're done with today's "festivities."

but i want to see those who havent voted yet to see if we can pin down what happened to the votes...

just do a test vote on a nonissue person.

they can't do that cause the big scary cult will get them

[tubby216]

just lynch me so i can prove stark wrong PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ

[tubby216]

Someone vig him please.

Why is it so abysmally hard to get this moving.

Claim. Just do it.

I'm waiting on the scummier players..they're delaying just as much.

Maybe I have reason as per my claim to delay. o.O

god even i knew that one.

*goes back to checking the gallows to ensure they will withstand his fat ass*


just to recapp.

stark claimed to be a cult cop,
never investigated me.
twisted my breadcrum into some silly other thing

vp buddied/ supported stark for no reason other than vp doesn't like the fat guy

BM has backed me saying stark's claim is ridiculous (wich i believe is more him paying me back for when i backed him in mafia 82 and a couple others) so him buddying to me is a null tell if you have ever played with us.

how ever there is alot of people that need to speak up.

here's a question how deep will stark be in it if i flipp and i am just a simple hider?

[tubby216]

didnt stark claim cult cop..but never said anything about a guilty on you right?

correct apparantly i a so cult he forgot to investigate me.

starks claim post

Before I claim, I need to know if anyone has drugs.

No drugs here. You plan on waiting for everyone in the game to answer this before you claim?

That's obv not realistic

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Vote Tubby216

for following me from game to game.

and cicero check agian you followed me here,,lol

vote:benmage

for not posting

No. You are just such a good stalker you can anticipate my movements.

actually i thought i would be able to hide out here. apartantly you are a good seeker

I'm about 80% that this is not tubby breadcrumbing, or atleast not for what he claimed to be. I think this is him trying to find me.

I am The Seeker = Cult-Cop

The converters are not responsible for the death of the giver.

I also have reason to believe that this is true. In my PM, it says that in my research, I've found out about The Cult of the Goma, who tried to destroy the Goma a while ago. Now I believe that the Cult is back, and may be responsible for the death of the Giver.

------

I've done iso reads of KK, dramonic and tubby. In all three, I've found tubby to be at odds with dramonic and KK, who both flipped Converter. With this in mind, as well as tubby's consistant non-town play, I believe that tubby is a member, if not the leader, of the Cult of the Goma.

Regarding the drugs-

I know that the cult brainwashes their victims. My power is to detect if someone's mind has been altered.

The use of a drug called Cava looks the same to me IE false positive upon investigation.

Atleast up to Night 2, Plum is not cult. The rest of my targets are dead.

Stark's results reveal

Results:

Night 1: Kscope- "no result"
Night 2: Plum- "no result"
Night 3: Papa Zito- I didn't receive a PM. Mod clarified that this was because PZ died before my investigation was processed.

[tubby216]

^seriously how do you even function in day to day life with thinking like that

if i were a recruiter i would have evidence of the drug on me. Since according to stark I use this drug to convert people.

however the point is he supposedly suspected me from day 1 but never bothered to investigate me. Let alone get a null result on me.

[tubby216]

also, you claim that you investigation last nite was on PZ,
PZ claimed cop who caught scum, ie, dram

why would you even target PZ??


i think stark is scum and killed PZ last nite, I also think this cult thing is a cover up.

I think there is no cult

[tubby216]

that makes absolutely no sense, if it came down to a lylo situation perhaps a that would have been warranted. why did you not investigate, Me , Bm, chamber,vaya , any number of good possible candidates. sheesh

and now that your caught in your own web of BS you re-vote

but i still accept my lynch since i by my own nature am a scummy player. However I would like some type of retribution inflicted on stark with extreme prejudice.

i am at l-2 by my own count

[tubby216]

also, you claim that you investigation last nite was on PZ,
PZ claimed cop who caught scum, ie, dram

why would you even target PZ??

I thought Stark investigated PZ because, since PZ claimed cop, cult would try to recruit PZ, and so if Stark's thing resolved after the recruitment (which I don't know if it does or not), PZ could very well turn up as cult...

for 1 read what he wrote
for 2 let him answer i am sure he doesn't need your help diggin his own grave
for 3 if i understand protection roles anything aimed at pz would fail including recruitment so it makes no sense for stark to choose PZ

[tubby216]

also, you claim that you investigation last nite was on PZ,
PZ claimed cop who caught scum, ie, dram

why would you even target PZ??


i think stark is scum and killed PZ last nite, I also think this cult thing is a cover up.

I think there is no cult

Bro, i'm still having a bit of trouble with your claim. You're a hider, but you dont die when the person you hide behind is killed?
Eh, either way, Stark must be lying, and if Stark is scum, you are probably town. But please explain how exactly your role works, if that is indeed your actual role.

BM

here is what i am saying

roles resolve at different times, these times are left up to the mod to decide how and when they resolve. i think its possible my hide failed. I do not recieve any pms on wether or not my attempts are succesful. only that the mod recieved my targeting pm.

my pm states i only die when i have chosen to hide behind a conveter. that is all i know.

[tubby216]

close elmo except nite one when dram claimed to bubble milkshake there was no strangle kill

[tubby216]

cause i am at l-2 and elmo is uncomfortable with hopping on a scum driven wagon.

just cause i am retarded it does not make me scum

[tubby216]

-Tubby. Several things have struck me about tubby.

1. The breadcrumb post towards the start of the game. To have my rolename awkwardly dropped set off a few bells. Could it be possible that tubby was aware that someone was looking for him?

2. Tubby's awkward claim Part 1: His ridiculous rolename. Everyone else seems to be a human. Tubby is an anthropomorphic rabbit? I don't think that tubby is lying about his name. I just think it's too weird to be town.

3. Tubby's awkward claim Part 2: Kinda-Pseudo Hider? Enough has been said about his claim, so I won't go on.

3. Tubby's awkward claim Part 3:

essentially i have the power to entertian children they flock to me in droves

. The above is the flavor part of tubby's dubious claim. I think that part is certainly true. It also sounds very culty.

4. BM's defence of Tubby- Up to today, BM has had very little interaction with both Tubby and myself. Then suddenly, after I claim and accuse tubby, I'm on the receiving end of a massive assault by BM.

1 your role name drop was a coincidence the game is called "hide and seek" the players are Hiders and one seeker.

2 my role name, I took it to mean like i am a guy in a rabbit suit. not an actual half rabbit half man thing. Unless you think Barney is a real Dinosaur then it makes perfect sense they way you explained it.

3I am an childrens entertianer, so why wouldn't children flock to me its like walkin through the mall in a sponge bob costume.

4 have you ever seen a game myself an BM have played in? if not please look at my wiki for completed games this is normal, however this is the first time the blatant buddying has been started by BM.

[tubby216]

Unvote; Vote: BattleMage

This vote will go away if he claims in his next post.

This vote might go away if it takes longer than that.

so disregard that vote. For that vote is not a real vote at all. Merely a "hey look everyone i am applying noncommittal pressure vote that just means i wanna look like i am doing something."

[tubby216]

unvote, vote tubby

screw this, stark is a lying fool lynch him next

btw i could not possibly make up a claim this bad

[tubby216]

unvote

[tubby216]

Unvote, vote:tubby

Hammer yourself. Please

just because you asked










no

[tubby216]

i want everyone voting me to list their reason for voting me NOW

i know i am a good lynch, i know i am an easy lynch but everyone should be held accountable as to why, and that needs to happen now

[tubby216]

Unvote, vote:tubby

Hammer yourself. Please

This....is the hammer...

no i unvoted prior i am at l-1

[tubby216]

fine

vote: battle mage

[tubby216]

stark is grasping at straws

[tubby216]

Not Voting: Plum, Vaya, SpyreX, Kise,

these people need to vote/pick a side plz

i think this will be critical to future gameplay

[tubby216]

thanks that like telling me "well your still gonna get the high hard one in the ass, but i am going to use some lube"

[tubby216]

wow can't i get dinner first? a kiss perhaps before you run it to me? or should i simply settle for the lube and enough cash for the cab ride home?

[tubby216]

that was hammer yes??

[tubby216]

stark you feel stupid? you are about to look stupid!

[tubby216]

First of all, CKD awesome game i really enjoyed every minute of it!!!!. I also continued to read this game after i was killed

llama great job sorry i wasn't much help,

I tried really hard in this game then when it all went south i figured to go out in flames.

ckd consider this my pre /in for your next installment of "the dark goma" if you'll have me