We get two confirmed innocents from rofl if he's town. (I guess we could get more if he's town and we keep him alive. But maybe he'll be roleblocked from now on or... I don't know).Yosarian2 wrote:Elvis, if rofl is town, then the town does NOT benefit from lynching him. The town benefits from not lynching him, and either getting another investigation from him or else letting the scum night kill him; either way, we'll eventually have his alignment confirmed, but in a way that helps the town more. Do you really think that the town "benefits" by lynching a cop just because then we know he was telling the truth?
Yes, I was wrong about that.elvis_knits wrote:Let me get this straight:
1)Charter lurks for long periods yesterday and today, coming in when he pleases and blows a lot of hot air around. Pushes Xyl wagon hard yesterday.
I can go back and find some if you want, I just figured that by the time I returned, it would be pointless to lynch someone besides rofl/iaun2)Charter votes tajo today out of nowhere without giving reasons, promising to get the reasons later. These reasons never materialize. Nobody picks up on his caseless attack so he moves on.
Umm, this pretty much describes you, not me. They both had two votes when I voted, you're still not voting either one.3)Charter refuses to comment on the rofl/iam situation until the dust settles. Let's see which way the wind is blowing!
Did you read iaun's story? It was a really bad one that looks quite scummy. I also disagree that lynching a townie to get two confirmed vanillas will be very useful, and I disagree that lynching rofl makes more sense. I also note that this is apparently 'OMGZSZZ, LYNCH ROFLLL, SO MUCH SENSZEE' but you're not voting him, despite the mountains of sense you think it makes. Plus, iaun has gone out of his way to make sure that lynching him today won't say anything about rofl. Clearly designed to lynch rofl first (or YOs somehow) which is another reason to vote iaun.4)Charter sees Iamausername claims to have jailkept rofl on a night rofl has claimed a result, and decides, against all logic, to vote iamausername. Who cares if lynching rofl makes much more sense, right? Who cares if either way rofl flips the town will benefit, right? (If rofl is scum, we lynch scum, high probability of lovers; if rofl is town we get two confirmed innocents).
Did I miss anything there?
But a vanilla cop isn't a very strong role. It doesn't help the town that much because if they hit a power role they get not vanilla and they still don't know if the person is power role or scum.Yosarian2 wrote:Wouldn't that depend on how convinced you are of Bridges alignment?
I mean, if you were a vanilla cop and you thought he might be telling the truth, you might want to check it out. But if you're pretty sure he's scum, you don't want to de-rail the bandwagon, waste and investigation, and then possibly have to claim in order to get the bandwagon going again when you find out he's not vanilla; that's a pretty high cost.
I donno, I was pretty sure Bridges was scum myself, I probably wouldn't have wanted to spend an investigation on him if I was a cop if I could just lynch him instead.
Ah yes. That must have been another reason I didn't vote rofl the other night, kmd's slimy vote on iaun was marginally more tolerable than your slimy vote on rofl.elvis_knits wrote:Charter, dear, I am voting rofl right now. Please read the game.
elvis_knits wrote:5)Charter studiously ignores the fact that rofl claimed vanilla cop, a role who seems like it would probably not favor chopping the heads off vanillas as much as rofl did in the case of bridges. No comment about this inconsistency from good ole Charter!
I think that the main purpose of a cop is to confirm innocents; in most games, that's the main thing a cop does is confirm a few innocents, and it often wins the town the game. Because of that, I think a vanilla cop is a much more powerful role then the goon cop, which can never confirm innocents. Neither is as strong as a standard cop, but the vanilla cop is still very strong, especially if there are a lot of vanillas in the game.elvis_knits wrote:[
But a vanilla cop isn't a very strong role. It doesn't help the town that much because if they hit a power role they get not vanilla and they still don't know if the person is power role or scum.
(shrug) It's what I would have done. Even as a vanilla cop, I wouldn't let someone who looked really scummy live just because of a vanilla claim. I'd rather just lynch them and try to set stuff up so I could claim and confirm several innocents later in the game, which helps the town a lot more.The best situation for a vanilla cop to be in is investigating a claimed vanilla! Like rofl did with Baltar. Yet with bridges he wanted DEATHDEATHDEATH.
Well, if you thought someone is scum, seems like a better idea to just lynch them than waste an investigation on them. I don't see why you'd go around lynching people you weren't as sure was scum just because they haven't claimed vanilla yet.elvis_knits wrote:Charter, address this:
elvis_knits wrote:5)Charter studiously ignores the fact that rofl claimed vanilla cop, a role who seems like it would probably not favor chopping the heads off vanillas as much as rofl did in the case of bridges. No comment about this inconsistency from good ole Charter!
That's really what you would have done? You wouldn't flinch lynching vanilla when your role has the specific capability of confirming vanilla? And when you don't know how many vanilla are in the game, or how easy it will be for you to pick them out?Yosarian2 wrote:(shrug) It's what I would have done. Even as a vanilla cop, I wouldn't let someone who looked really scummy live just because of a vanilla claim. I'd rather just lynch them and try to set stuff up so I could claim and confirm several innocents later in the game, which helps the town a lot more.The best situation for a vanilla cop to be in is investigating a claimed vanilla! Like rofl did with Baltar. Yet with bridges he wanted DEATHDEATHDEATH.
As a cop, any kind of cop, I hate investigating someone who, IMHO, has played badly and looks really scummy. If they're scum, then you wasted an investigation; they would have been lynched without it. And if they're town, then you end up having to claim and our yourself as cop in order to save a vanilla townie who's been playing badly, which is not a good bargain for the town.elvis_knits wrote:That's really what you would have done? You wouldn't flinch lynching vanilla when your role has the specific capability of confirming vanilla? And when you don't know how many vanilla are in the game, or how easy it will be for you to pick them out?Yosarian2 wrote:(shrug) It's what I would have done. Even as a vanilla cop, I wouldn't let someone who looked really scummy live just because of a vanilla claim. I'd rather just lynch them and try to set stuff up so I could claim and confirm several innocents later in the game, which helps the town a lot more.The best situation for a vanilla cop to be in is investigating a claimed vanilla! Like rofl did with Baltar. Yet with bridges he wanted DEATHDEATHDEATH.
Well, a Yos lynch is rediculous becuase there is a high chance that once this other situation is resolved, that I will be a 100% confirmed innocent. You don't lynch a confirmed innocent, that's terrible.SerialClergyman wrote: c) You are commiting the same problem I pointed out with Yos2. I don't know how you can denounce a Yos2 lynch and in the same breath say you'd prefer to lynch charter or pooky. Either you feel that we should target one of rofl or iam or you don't, I don't like this middle ground that says a Yos2 lynch would be ridiculous but a charter/pooky lynch, which gives us LESS info about the situation at hand, is good.
i did! (cue exasperated laughter)thesp wrote:Informal poll - who thought before last night that roflcopter was softclaiming role information? (This will be helpful, I think.)
i could feel the tide shifting towards a yos bandwagon and wanted to clamp that down before any time was wasted on itekim wrote:roflcopter, why did you telegraph that you had some sort of role based info on Yos?
Appeal to emotion, bunny. I know your playstyle is aggressive, and I would not expect you to flinch under normal circumstances, but this is a specific circumstance where your role is directly capable of providing definitive evidence on a guy.roflcopter wrote:elvis, i thought you knew me better than this. would i ever flinch when it comes to lynching the person i wholeheartedly stood behind running up to a claim?
You could have just unvoted him. kmd did it. If you followed suit wagon could have died, you could have investigated him at night and probably not even had to claim right away. You don't know that the wagon would have come back on bridges. In my experience, wagons that die don't form again too often. It's like the town has already moved on, and they don't want to waste their time doing the same way again.roflcopter wrote: yos has essentially already explained it, but derailing the bridges wagon myself, making an investigation on him and then probably having to out myself to either stop further bridges wagoning or admit that, yes he's scum and sorry i derailed the bandwagon to delay his lynch by a day, seemed like terrible play when i could just lynch him and get on with the game instead.