Mini 851 - Bloodlust Mafia! - Game Over

[ChiboSempai]

/confirmation

[ChiboSempai]

I will likely be away from a computer most of Friday night and almost all of Saturday. I might be able to pop on here and there during that time, but that's hardly anything anyway lol. It's quite rare for me to be without a computer lol

[ChiboSempai]

I will likely be away from a computer most of Friday night and almost all of Saturday. I might be able to pop on here and there during that time, but that's hardly anything anyway lol. It's quite rare for me to be without a computer lol

ill just kill you before then, dont worry about checking in.

ah that takes a load off my back. phew, i thought i was gonna have to play a game here

[ChiboSempai]

Bob the Mob would be cooler

[ChiboSempai]

blah i hope this starts soon. im bored. iv got a loooooong day of work ahead of me tomorrow, and this game is gonna save a lot of boredom lol

[ChiboSempai]

Vote: Haylen

Why? Because she said she lost her potato peeler on page 1. No one in the right mind loses their trusty ol' potato peeler. Something sneaky is going on.

[ChiboSempai]

Haylen was the one worried about loosing it, I was merely making the same deduction as you are, just from a different point of view

[ChiboSempai]

Unvote: Haylen

Vote: J-Fox

Sorry but I don't like furries.

[ChiboSempai]

Hopping off the bandwagon, eh?

Yea, and I'ma start a new one.

Unvote

Vote: AlmasterGM

lol

[ChiboSempai]

Everyone is suspicious however.

Unvote

Vote: Peabody

He hasn't posted since Page 1.

[ChiboSempai]

Wow Peabody ninja'd in a post as I typed mine about him. Now that's suspicious.

[ChiboSempai]

Care to explain?

*is glad serious voting might be starting lol*

I'll answer any questions you please.

[ChiboSempai]

Even though my last vote was part of RVS, it at least had a shred of thought behind it compared to like, I don't like Canada, or I don't like furries, or who votes for themselves and retracts it.

I had noticed that I clearly didn't see that many different people voting, and upon inspection Peabody didn't post since his confirmation reply. Lying low? Idk, it's something at least to work on.

However even if I was or not, I don't see how keeping RVS going is a scumtell. If I was scum I would want to keep a vote on someone I was sure wasn't mafia, since I would know the other members. Anyone can be voted in RVS, and mafia members should want to stray from that to make sure they, or their fellow members don't accidentally get voted.

Since we're entering a more serious phase, I'll retract my vote atm.

Unvote

[ChiboSempai]

I'm just trying to think what theoretically makes sense, though yea that is another possibility as well. Though you can't really pull a scumtell because someone tried to what you thought as extend RVS by like one post lol.

[ChiboSempai]

If you're voting for someone and saying 'cause I said so, how is that different from RVS lol

[ChiboSempai]

I suppose it was more of a misinterpretation. But either way your suggesting everyone vote one of us two with no real reason.

[ChiboSempai]

In my defense - well, there really isn't one. Think about it. The same could be said about anyone. If I were to target someone else, how would they be able to defend themselves.

I'm surprised people are making a big deal about the whole Haylen voting herself then declining it, to me it just seemed like random voting stuff :/ Why would anyone vote themselves? Maybe she knew she was mafia because she is mafia and to be like a townie shes trying to vote for who she knows is mafia?

I haven't picked any real scumtells yet, I'm gonna continue to hold my vote atm. Maybe I'll try to whip up some questions or something. That's the only way to get concrete tells on ppl.

[ChiboSempai]

get them this early in the game^

[ChiboSempai]

Sorry about that, but I'm back. I've been out since late last night, it's been kind of a mess. Stayed the night at my friends place and traveled to a game tourney today and I'm at the train station now waiting to head home.

The past few posts have been pretty interesting. I just completely lost track though of where all of the votes are. A vote tally would really help.

The whole thing with Looker mainly on the last page was... annoying. I didn't even get half of the posts Looker made, there was some condradictions here and there (though I doubt he noticed them from his POV) , and just really flawed logic I really don't agree with. This specifically stood out to me:

"Ray we never lynch scum on D1. We lynch assholes, outcasts, and idiots on D1, you know that." - Looker

I'm not sure if he means by this scum isn't lynched on D1 typically because of the fact there are less mafia than townies, or that he specifically ignores any evidence of people's posts on D1 and just tries to lynch out people he personally doesn't like on D1. That's a terrible thing to do really, regardless, the goal of the game is to vote out the mafia members. Are you really going to vote out people you don't like without having any evidence of then being mafia?

This does not sit easy with me.

All of the discussion on this page seems to be what people are being watched, bandwagons and stuff, etc. Looker voiced the 4 people he thinks should be watched, but I don't really see any reasons. Peabody thinks there needs to be a bandwagon on me lol, but without intention to lynch, that doesn't really make any sense imo. He doesn't like my posting style but we haven't been posting here that long yet in the thread, not to mention this is the first mafia game I've ever played on mafiascum, so there aren't any games to lurk where you could watch me (which would be frowned upon anyway). The big problem I'm seeing here is that multiple people are being targeted with no real reason.

[ChiboSempai]

Yea, the thing with me and Kowana was simply a misinterpretation of my part. I thought he actually meant he just voted me cause he said so with no backing to it lol

As for the Looker thing, the main thing I was referring to (which I sort of touched on in the post but not too much) was that according to him we vote assholes, idiots, and outcasts. However with his string of posts, not only do some people not get the posts, wanted to see how RayFrost could turn his own comment against him (why would he want to look bad?), says he knows nothing about mafia, RayFrost makes an intelligent post about what he sees wrong with Looker who simply replies by telling him he's terribly wrong with snarky comments like who should we mislynch, and more.

Just re-read page 6 another time or two (I've already read that whole Looker section a couple times trying to make heads or tails of it) and Looker sort of comes off as an idiot (saying he doesn't know much about mafia, perhaps using it as an excuse), an asshole (with snarky comments), and his style of play/mentality seems to be so drastically different (in a bad way) listing people that he is watching without any real reason to do so and referring to other mafia games makes him seem like an odd person out, or like an outcast.

The three things he said we vote out in D1 are pretty a perfect description of him so far. It just doesn't add up. There should be no reason to influence us to vote him (no Jesters in the game, etc), so why would he suggest a type of person to lynch, then act just like that? He's trying to work too many different angles in this game and their clashing. As RayFrost also pointed out in page 5, he changes his opinion a lot and has just been following whatever.

Right now Looker is the only person that has any basis for being voted on atm.

Vote: Looker

[ChiboSempai]

The whole canadian thing being inactive and only posting now that we've mentioned him is odd. I want to hear some more from him.

The more Looker posts though the worse they are. Doesn't anyone else see it? He switched his list of who he thinks are scummy without full reason for any of them. He's targeted like what, 6 people now for no apparent reason (he has weak reasoning for some of them, but no reason for some). If he's ready to say some random people are scum but not others, it seems to me like he knows who the mafia are and to avoid them. And guess who knows who the mafia are... Other mafia. Combine that with stupid posts trying to play the noob card as people said (which makes no sense) and stating how he's so high and stuff, this guy just isn't good for the game.

[ChiboSempai]

Before I vote from Rosso I want to see a reply from him now that gives us reason to. There have been some iffy things, and suspecting inactives is always appropriate, but I tend to not want to lynch them until there's a reason to. The inactive is just what causes suspicion. He's only 2 votes away from being lynched, that's nothing.

I'm willing to change my vote, but don't want to yet to leave someone else with the power to cause him to be lynched at will (since there would only be one more required vote). I want a hard reason to lynch him, unless anyone else has a really big scumtell on him, could you quote it? I might have read over something by accident or my attention might have been averted elsewhere.

[ChiboSempai]

Yea, that's definitely not a good sign.

[ChiboSempai]

Forgot to mention, has he voted for anyone else so far this game? He's not voting atm, but wasn't sure if he had unvoted or something.

[ChiboSempai]

wtf is this hammah bullshit, hes just annoying me at this point

[ChiboSempai]

Oh wow I'm sorry, I didn't realize hammah was an actual thing in mafia (I just read the wiki page on it). I honestly just thought he was messing around saying I don't vote people, I HAMMAH them! relating to his avatar thinking it was just a stupid meme lol.

[ChiboSempai]

Trying to spark some different activity since the only way people have been trying to get tells at the moment are from bandwagon votes. I also want to justify my current vote, or find a reason to change it if needed.

Questions for Looker:
(interested in the responses)

1. Who are you currently suspecting, or considering voting for D1?

2. Who have you been suspicious of the whole game so far, and explain any of the changes if this list differs from the answer for Q1.

3. How many games of mafia have you played before? Were they on mafiascum or somewhere else?

4. Why should I or we not vote for you?

5. If you were in a mafia game on Day 1 and there was someone you absolutely knew was independent that had a small chance of being a Jester or a Lyncher and someone who many people had a scumtell on from some suspicious replies - which one would you vote for?

6. What is the best way to play mafia as a townie? Do you follow this mindset?

[ChiboSempai]

Wow I completely forgot about the SK being in the game, that opens a whole new thought like Peabody noted.

[ChiboSempai]

Rosso, can you please answer my questions as well?
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 22#1874222

[ChiboSempai]

For 2 I meant like, did you target someone earlier but then you were convinced they weren't scum so you don't target them anymore?

And for 5 I meant do you vote for the independent (possibly jester or lyncher), or the person who some seem to think is scum? (or neither of the two)

Also, why are you suspecting Almaster now just because Rosso voted him?

[ChiboSempai]

Unvote: Looker

[ChiboSempai]

I had voted you like 4 pages ago or something?

But I like the answers to the questions. Pretty much clears out the scumtells I had and stuff.

[ChiboSempai]

There's a limit to how effective anyone's skills are in D1, there's hardly anything to go by. I will explain the reasoning behind my questions after Rosso answers them. I don't want to give away my thoughts behind them until he answers lol.

[ChiboSempai]

1. have talked about at length. will consider HAMMAH!-ing looker as well for poor performance on this page.
2. stupid question
3. way too many for you to count.
4. I'm awesome.
5. Are you rolefishing? Please don't.
6. Find scum, and kill them. Your vote is your weapon, and you are the most powerful person in the game since scum have better targets.

I really didn't think I would receive answers like this. You would have probably been better off saying screw you, I don't feel like answering questions.

You dodged every single question but the last one. You might as well dodged the last one as well since it's a contradiction imo.

I asked these questions for a reason, especially some that should be obvious but asking simple questions that should be known by many are there prove contradictions, changes in your thoughts, etc.

Question 1: You refuse to answer the question, and tack on two things that don't even belong there, mentioning hammah again, and saying that Looker has had poor performance on this page, which I disagree with.

Question 2: Good answer.... -_- (sarcastic)

Question 3: You could give either a ballpark estimate, or find a way to say a lot without the edge comment. You also didn't say if they were all on mafiascum or what.

Question 4: Terrible response. You're just avoiding the question.

Question 5: Again, you're dodging the question.
The reason I asked this specifically is because it was a situation I was in during a mafia game not too long ago, and there was a lot to be told from it. The mentality behind some people were that since the independent wasn't town, he should be lynched since he wasn't on our side, yet he wasn't against us either. People's decision on this shows me the kind of people you want to target, how valuable your vote is early in the game, etc. By the way, what had happened was that the independent was lynched, and he ended up being a Jester as I had suspected.

Question 6: You actually answer this, but I don't like your response at all. You mention how your vote is your most powerful weapon, yet you hardly use it, since you only hammah. Other players have been using votes with bandwagons to apply pressure, etc, but you haven't even used your vote once yet so far. Technically using it as a hammah vote is using it, but not to the importance you make it out to be. I also don't understand your comment on scum having targets.

You're posts are becoming more demeaning, and you're trying hard now to cast suspicion on Looker through criticizing his playstyle, calling him a noob, and even bringing him up unreasonably in your answers to my question.

You're clearly detrimental to the game, it's a shame. Hopefully if it gets to it you'll be willing to hammah yourself, can you resist the hammah vote?

Vote: Rosso Carne

[ChiboSempai]

Allow me to elaborate.

The fact that he's hiding information especially on who he's suspicious of and who he's been suspicious of in the past alone is a scumtell.

He also says what he thinks the best way to play mafia as a townie is, and yet he doesn't even follow that! That is also a scumtell.

Those were more of the obvious parts imo, I has just happened to explain more in detail about the questions I wasn't sure people would get, like #5. It was all to read his playstyle and look for contradictions, which there were plenty of. Inconsistent information = a bad lier. Combine that with refusing to answer some questions. He's trying to cover up something.

[ChiboSempai]

Do you not remember I've had a suspicion on Looker for quite a while now and had my vote cast on him up until I saw his answers to my questions? After people voiced their doubts about you (Rosso) I had figured the questions would apply to you pretty well also, so I had you answer them. Your answers gave me a bunch of contradictions and scumtells resulting in me voting for you.

You had valid reasons for not answering my questions. The only extent of an excuse you had was Q1, which you said you talked about already, but I asked it again specifically (for the reason I said in the big post). Q2 and Q4 you said stupid question and im awesome (for a reason not to vote you) respectively. You're only digging your hole deeper.

[ChiboSempai]

Wait, missed the second post. What relation?

How is it that you've missed every tie to every other player within this thread? You can't simply acknowledge one to your convenience, that's not fair or right at all. If anything, it'd look more like I had a relationship with you because my vote was on you originally...wouldn't it? Heck, I don't know, I'm just a n000000000b.

your skirting around a detrimental observation is noted.

way to protect your scum buddy.

I understand that everyone is connected, were in a game. But your play sucks, and yet chibo comes to your side right away.

theres your scum pair people.

We have three scum.

Who do you think the third is?

Remember that there is a SK also. Essentially, there are 4 people we want out.

[ChiboSempai]

It's not that I think you're playing it wrong, it's that you said how you think a townie should play the game, and you're not playing it that way.

[ChiboSempai]

I've never played with Rosso when he was scum before, but if he's town I think he can be very helpful. One time he vigged me N1 correctly(, I was the mafia godfather). He said that he based it of of D1 reads, and considering that I had never played with him before, I think he can play a good pro-town game. I say that we don't lynch him today, and wait until tomorrow to see how scummy he's acting then.

Seems interesting. Did he play the same way that game that he is now? Normally I don't like to bring other games into stuff, but info is info.

[ChiboSempai]

I meant suspecting inactives as in like, it would be good to keep an eye on them or try to get them to talk, not thinking they are scum yet. However keeping active and talking a lot is likely to make someone slip or something. Not talking in the first place doesn't let anyone have any reads on you, good or bad. Also by suspecting a inactive and being vocal about it, you're forcing them to sort of come back and defend themselves.

[ChiboSempai]

Whats the difference between that and a using a voting bandwagon to apply pressure to someone?
lol I have a feeling that like half of the players here play the exact opposite of the other half.

[ChiboSempai]

He's not playing how himself said a townie should play. He dodged practically all of my questions (holding back info). If you are innocent, there should be nothing to hide.

I really didn't mean for my vote to be based on his playstyle, (which I'll admit is annoying to me) but I've been trying to see past it. I've been reconsidering my thoughts after your reply #300 and J-Fox's post #302.

[ChiboSempai]

canadian, can you please elaborate on who ZoneAce is?

[ChiboSempai]

I don't buy Peabody's mistake. How was it not trying to frame Looker? If it was a typo and he meant to type Alamaster, then I don't see how he would be using an Alamaster quote to find a contradiction in Looker.

Peabody's first reply after people called out his mistake was that he misread the name. I find it hard to go back to a post, find it, and see the name as Looker instead of Alamaster, they are completely different. Not to mention he even quoted that Alamaster post before about 36 hours ago and had typed Alamaster in his quote box:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 19#1872919

I don't see how he knew back then it was Alamaster, but all of a sudden now thought it was Looker. It makes no sense.

Unvote

Vote: Peabody

that puts him to 6 btw

[ChiboSempai]

lol Rosso didn't even get his hammah

[ChiboSempai]

how is the wagon/lynch scummy, are you saying all 7 of the ppl that voted are anti-town, despite there only being 5 anti town roles (4 mafia 1 SK) in the game?

[ChiboSempai]

Keep the insults out of here, chill out.

Just explain how you find it scummy. What's scummy about it? You can't just go around throwing accusations without any reason. I on the contrary didn't find it scummy, and provided my reason. Sure plenty of mafia and the SK even could have found a big slip up and used his as a scapegoat to draw attention away from him and get a quick townie lynched (since the mafia would know that he's not one of them), but for that to be the case, at least 2 townies could have voted for him (or 3 if he ends up as an SK, in which case mafia would know hes not one of them and wouldnt be able to tell him apart from a townie, and he would be another suspect to everyone else).

[ChiboSempai]

Critiquing one's playstyle is one thing, calling people stupid and now purposely misspelling my name is a whole other thing.
You might as well go call out the other 6 people who voted for him and mess with them as well.

If you didn't want him being lynched, then you should have done a better job convincing everyone not to lynch him. I personally found it quite odd for it to be just a typo/mistake for the reasons I said in the same post where I voted for him (I believe it was that one).

Also, why should the mistake just garnered a vote or two? What good is it going to do? FoS him or something, there's no need to do a pressure vote when everyone already called out Peabody and he realized he messed up. The pressure vote wouldn't have changed anything. And if only a vote or two were to be cast, who should have done it? It happened so rapidly that any number of people could have voted with that mindset for it to reach 5 as quick as it did needing only a couple more to finish it off.

Again, if youre saying it deserved a vote or two, why didn't you place one?

[ChiboSempai]

Well, its hard to name a single or specific people on the wagon that were scummy, since they all did essentially the same thing, vote him, and we know some townies definitely voted for him. The only ones that were essentially different were Alamaster's vote as described by Ray (though tbh Day 1 can only get you so far and we have to settle on something eventually, however a role claim might have been nice. I purposely said in my post there was currently 6 votes for him hoping Peabody would have gotten the hint and claimed), and the first one, which was by Looker iirc? Correct me if I'm wrong. It seems appropriate that he was the one to start it since it was him who Peabody tried to frame, if the whole posting thing wasn't a mistake which I find hard to believe.

[ChiboSempai]

EBWOP

so yea likely alamasters for jumping to the final hammer without a role claim, which isnt always necessary, but would have been nice in D1 without THAT much info. We'll know soon enough.

[ChiboSempai]

The original source of the wagon was no different than the start of any others. He slipped up, he explained simply at first that it was just a typo, which I proved to not just be the case and it didn't make sense, and people continued. There have been tons of wagons this game so far, it just so happens this one progressed further and faster than the others for some reason. His mess up however was the most hard evidence for anything we have found yet this game, everything else was people's opinions on posts and such, and this was a glaring contradiction staring at us.

The following people voted for Peabody:

Looker
canadianbovine
Zachrulez
RayFrost
Pomegranate
ChiboSempai
AlamasterGM

Peabody admitted back after Zach and before Ray that it was a mistake, but still got 4 more votes. Additionally, Ray flat out didn't accept that it was a mistake, and even called him out on WIFOM. RayFrost recently has been claiming that he wished there was a role claim and has been trying to determine what the scummiest vote/post was, and it doesn't really match up for me.

Judging just from the Peabody situation the people that most came off as scum were RayFront as AlamasterGM imo.

[ChiboSempai]

Didn't read any of this page when I made my post, mafiascum went down for a couple mins when I was scouring through the votes on Peabody and it made me take a while to do my post.

Do you mind refreshing on what things I was agreeing with you on Ray? It's not a big deal or anything, I'm just curious. Agreeing isn't technically a bad thing, I mean if I thought the same thing and you had said it first, then I'm agreeing with you, no sense in writing out the exact same thoughts. Almost the entire Peabody wagon was everyone agreeing with each other, Pomegranate even specifically quoted you and saying he agreed with you here:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11#1878311

Also, with my last post, I don't know about the whole following your opinion holds since I found your post/vote one of the scummier ones in the Peabody ordeal.

[ChiboSempai]

Not as much no.

He pointed out why he didn't believe it was a mistake, the same thing I had done in my post, but I took a different approach/reasoning to it.

However I found his more posts more suspicious after his posts after Peabody was lynched.

I suppose the exact opposite could be said as well, and that his posts on the past page or two could be the scummy ones, it just depends on which are more true of him. Because on the contrary to why I found the voting posts scummy, the ones on the past page or two could be scummy wanting a role claim and trying to act nonchalant about it trying to ease his way out of the blame of the wagon vote since he was the one primarily against Peabody's excuse.

[ChiboSempai]

EBWOP

Sorry about the delay, I didn't log off, it's just that I'm at work and someone came in to talk to me and discuss work related stuff lol

[ChiboSempai]

@ bovine

wow whoops I forgot its only 3 mafia and not 4. Either way, that just means there is more guaranteed town people that was on the Peabody wagon.

And as told from my post 439 (which I had started typing right after u finished the question but didnt post till then and in result didnt read posts 436,437, and 438 until I finished posting that) I didn't find Ray's vote scummy really until the recent posts from the last page and this one in this recent string of activity.

[ChiboSempai]

Uhg I hate not being able to edit, the second part of my last post 441 was obviously in response to Konowa's 438

[ChiboSempai]

That doesn't make sense that I became suspicious of you only after Konowa's questions, it was after your recent posts. I don't have to come out and say everything I'm thinking at every moment, but if I'm asked questions, I will answer (as long as it's not something I can't blatantly just say out of the blue). I explained why I was suspicious of you. Nothing too serious, but something to note.

The night kills were surprising and could tell us something... So there were two night kills, and since we have the mafia and a serial killer, does this rule out the chance of a vigilante? That, or can one of the 3 possible killers (mafia, sk, vigilante) forego their night kill? Only Vigilante can do that right? unless the mafia could as well?

[ChiboSempai]

lol well even though Almaster said that he wouldn't buy it....

I have no choice but to roleclaim at this point.

I'm the vigilante.

If I didn't say this soon I would be guaranteed voted out soon. CB is right, I did target looker. After Day2 started I was extremely confused about the kills expecting 3, which is why I posted that and wanted to hear other people's take on it, then I realized there was the possibility of someone being roleblocked, which is the only excuse for there not being the 3rd kill - the one from the serial killer.

Further proof:

Look at the descriptions of the kills...

Russo's place was exploded or whatever, something not obvious as to who did it. More dramatic, very mafia-esque kill.
As for Looker, he was shot execution style in the back of the head, which is clearly the most appropriate way of being killed by the Vigilante.

If Looker had been killed by the SK then my guess is that it would have been something a bit more gruesome such as hacked and slashed to death in a bloodbath.

Reasoning for killing Looker:

Read back in the game and you will see that one of my first suspects was Looker. That already made him not sit well with me and think that something could be going on. He then later convinced me that I shouldn't vote for him then, and I didn't. People however became suspicious that I was working with Looker, which was 100% not the case. In the chance the Looker was mafia, I had to rid myself of that connection asap to clear suspicion on me. I'm a very important town role imo, and a valuable asset to the game.

If I had killed Looker and he ended up as town, then the whole connection between the two of us wouldn't have made sense, since we wouldn't have known who each other were, and if I were mafia, I would have known he was town and therefor no reason to defend him (which I wasn't even doing in the first place). Yes a townie would have died (though there was no way of 100% knowing he's town or mafia, or SK for the matter.

If Looker had been mafia then I could have roleclaimed to show that I killed Looker thus removing any suspicion that I was linked to him. I wasn't 100% sure if I was going to do it like this, however I'm being forced to roleclaim now and the Tracker showed that I killed him.

There is a very important development here now. Two people have had their roles ousted - CB being Tracker and myself being Vigilante. The only question is if CB is the mafia or town tracker, but that isn't too important atm. We also know that there is a roleblocker or jailkeeper.

The most important thing is that we now should know 100% who the SK is. Whoever the roleblocker is (are), say who you roleblocked. If there is only one roleblocker, then there you go, whoever that person targeted is the serial killer and we can take him out. If there are two, then we know that the SK is one of two people.

The town now has full power of killing two people per day/night cycle.

If you want me to further prove this, then wait an extra day, we will determine the top two people we think are mafia, and we'l vote one and I'll kill the other, or we can go for taking out the serial killer, or go for a mafia and a SK member.

[ChiboSempai]

Rosso first brings up the possibility of it here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 32#1874632

Rosso tells everyone that a scum pair in the game is Looker and I: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 45#1874645

RayFrost doesn't throw out the idea or elaborate on Looker and I and instead wonders who the 3rd mafia is: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 49#1874649

Rosso also said somewhere (couldn't find the post yet) that saying the style I could have been playing bussing as a mafia member was legit, and likely meant further that the two of us were mafia.

We have multiple people saying how Rosso could be a valuable asset to the town throughout some pages (which is likely why the mafia targeted him), no one disagreeing with him, one person wondering about it further, Rosso and RayFrost still alive, suspicion already cast on me at many points in D1... I had to clear my name. I feel that if both Looker and I were still in it then Rosso could easily bring this all back up and convince people of it - mixing with everyones past suspicions of me and there you go, town loses it's vigilante. I can't let that happen.

[ChiboSempai]

EBWOP

also, what do you mean by flavor text?

[ChiboSempai]

Yea I already read that, but don't see how that ties to my post at all.

[ChiboSempai]

O ok I thought you meant the post right before that, which is why I was confused. You didn't clarify...

The deaths are written with the style of the killer. What do you honestly think that sounds more like? Vig or SK? I wasn't even the only one that said that as J-Fox suspected it as well.

J-Fox: It's reason alone to be worried about having a power role and being voted out with no way to prove it. When I asked myself before I did it though, I didn't want that being the only reason, and I thought back to my first suspicion of anyone in the game being mafia and I had thought Looker. He somewhat convinced me that he wasn't from the questioning I did, but I couldn't shake the fact that at some point in the day that I had thought he was scum, and many of other people also did not think too good of him as well. Read through all of the posts and you will see a lot of people weary about him.

[ChiboSempai]

Yeah, I'm finding Chibo's claim a little hard to believe right now as it seems designed more to his own survival opposed to helping the town.

Also go back to my FOS of him where I call him out for talking as if he was interested in whether there was a vig or not.

The reason for this was that I was very confused at why there wasn't a 3rd kill, as I had completely forgotten about the possibility of the SK being roleblocked and wanted to see what people thought of it. Since at first when anyone would see only two kills, they would simply believe there was the mafia and SK, but I knew there was a vig (since I am the vig and chose to kill someone) so I had expected 3 kills.

Who roleblocked who? The answer to that points to our SK. I guarantee you.

For anyone who doesn't believe my roleclaim, ask me anything. I clearly have nothing to hide lol and at this point only want to help the town. Ask any question, have me kill anyone you guys think are mafia or sk, or whatever. The only possible way I wouldn't deliver is the chance of being roleblocked tonight.

[ChiboSempai]

I was confused and shocked thinking why wasn't there three night kills, completely forgetting about someone being roleblocked.

I wanted to hear everyone elses opinions on it before I jumped to any conclusions, to which someone eventually brought up the fact of being roleblocked, whcih made perfect sense to me.

but because of this, as long as the roleblocker says who they blocked... there is the serial killer. guaranteed.

[ChiboSempai]

Who roleblocked who? The answer to that points to our SK. I guarantee you.

Rolefishing. If a kill was blocked, it was blocked by a mafia roleblocker that won't claim, or a jailkeeper, who we

DO NOT

want to claim right now.

Seriously, how do you KNOW the kill was blocked? Not just blocked, but ROLEBLOCKED. If a kill was stopped, it could have just as easily been a jailkeeper doc saving a player (And also role blocking them.)

Is there any other explaination?

Explain further about it being just stopped please.

Also, if we can find out who the SK is, it's worth it imo.

[ChiboSempai]

before voting me thinking im SK, find out who was roleblocked last night. have me prove it any possible way.

find someone you want to be killed, whether it be mafia or sk. have me kill them tonight, and have the tracker (CB) target me to see that i vote for them. especially if we find out who the roleblocker blocked, then we can eliminate the SK thus showing that im not SK.

There is a possibility of both a mafia and a town roleblocker which we can discuss if anyone ends up saying who they blocked. remember, the three mafia members are likely 3 of the 7 people who voted for Peabody, so we can sort of use that as a cross reference as well.

You guys do not want to lynch a power town role, esp vig. That is why I'm trying to protect myself so hard here. We're already out 3 town members, and lynching me would put your down to 4 out. That would be 3 mafia members, one sk, and 4 townies left (and the townies without their killing power role).

Other ways to show that there is a vig...

If there is no vig, find out who is who. We have a partial reveal of roles in the OP. Since there is a virg, there is either no town tracker (CB could be the mafia tracker), no pro town cult leader, no jailkeeper, or only 4 vanilla townies, and we already knew there was at least 3 since 3 are dead.

Also, if CB ends up being the mafia tracker, then there is only a town roleblocker since there can not be both a mafia tracker and mafia roleblocker. that way the town roleblocker, the only roleblocker in the game, can say who they blocked and there is the sk.

[ChiboSempai]

Everyone who is town ask yourselves, do you want to lynch your vigilante?

For all I know the mafia is setting all of this up making me look like the serial killer so the town lynches off another one of its town members again.

If that happens...

say I was lynched D2... 4 townies, 3 mafia, 1 SK

Night 2: Mafia kills townie and SK kills townie
~Mafia wins~
or Night 2: Mafia kills townie and SK kills mafia
Town: 3, SK: 1, Mafia: 2

Both are not good situations, and especially the first in which the town loses lol

Instead, we find out who the SK if. Debate and find out who is Mafia. We lynch the SK (if he is invulnerable to night kills) and have me kill the mafia member and we are in a MUCH better situation.

[ChiboSempai]

before voting me thinking im SK, find out who was roleblocked last night. have me prove it any possible way.

find someone you want to be killed, whether it be mafia or sk. have me kill them tonight, and have the tracker (CB) target me to see that i vote for them. especially if we find out who the roleblocker blocked, then we can eliminate the SK thus showing that im not SK.

There is a possibility of both a mafia and a town roleblocker which we can discuss if anyone ends up saying who they blocked. remember, the three mafia members are likely 3 of the 7 people who voted for Peabody, so we can sort of use that as a cross reference as well.

You guys do not want to lynch a power town role, esp vig. That is why I'm trying to protect myself so hard here. We're already out 3 town members, and lynching me would put your down to 4 out. That would be 3 mafia members, one sk, and 4 townies left (and the townies without their killing power role).

Other ways to show that there is a vig...

If there is no vig, find out who is who. We have a partial reveal of roles in the OP. Since there is a virg, there is either no town tracker (CB could be the mafia tracker), no pro town cult leader, no jailkeeper, or only 4 vanilla townies, and we already knew there was at least 3 since 3 are dead.

Also, if CB ends up being the mafia tracker, then there is only a town roleblocker since there can not be both a mafia tracker and mafia roleblocker. that way the town roleblocker, the only roleblocker in the game, can say who they blocked and there is the sk.

there are problems with this:

1) the serial killer/vig [the one that you aren't] could of not sent in an action, making figuring this out impossible.

2) the roleblocker is a jailer, which does both protect and roleblocks.

2a) the jailer could of simply protected whoever the sk/vig targeted, leading this idea to lynching a townie

2b) The jailer is the strongest power role, having 3 outed power roles day 2 is not good

1. I am the vigilante, and the SK can not forgo his night kill. He had to have chosen someone.

The mafia and the vigilante got their night kills. The SK did not.

2. This means the SK was both protected and roleblocked. Yes, we know the SK was roleblocked, but what good does it do to show that he was protected? He wasn't targeted by the mafia and vigilante.

2a. The jailer didn't target who the vigilante targeted since Looker was killed, and I targeted him being the vigilante. Then in this case we need to find out who the jailer targeted.

2b. Voting me out now in D2 is guaranteed loosing a power role. Playing with ousted power roles is difficult and different, but it's a much better situation than flat out loosing them.

The fact that the SK target could have been saved by the jailer is interesting... Of course there might not be a jailer or a mafia roleblocker at all, though there is one of the 2 due to this predicament.

[ChiboSempai]

then i ask you, what happens if the vig/SK did not send in a pm to the mod? does the mod randomly select one person to kill? no! there is no kill. it's very possible the serial killer/vig is a lurker who didnt know it was night, or never had access to a computer, and never submitted a kill.

or, like some have said, perhaps they chose to not send in a kill.

This is a good point...

MOD: What happens if the SK does not send in a kill request? Is the SK required to kill each night as the role sometimes forces him to?

Also, if the SK's goal is to be the only one left, why wouldn't he kill every single night since it's his only power on his own to work towards winning.

[ChiboSempai]

The wiki says the SK can't normally forgo the night kill, but I'm asking the mod if he can choose not to just to make sure.

[ChiboSempai]

You're making a bad decision with this. The town will want to keep their power role alive.

FoS: RayFrost

He posted a lil conflicting after the D1 lynch, and is now damn sure that I'm SK and that my roleclaim is false.

I believe he is the Mafia Roleblocker. He targeted someone last night which is the reason for only 2 deaths. He knows that my story then is true and is pushing for my lynch to take out another townie, then the mafia can freely vote out the SK tonight, since RayFrost would know who it is.

[ChiboSempai]

There's the suspicion on Alamaster as well, quickly ending the lynch yesterday and quickly jumped onto me as well after CB said he was the Tracker compared to someone like J-Fox.

Believe me on this, why else would RayFrost push for this right now so strongly?

Give me one more day to prove that I'm vigilante and not SK.

RayFrost, explain yourself.

[ChiboSempai]

Point out every contradiction I have made. It's because of your flat out conclusion in your last post #500 where you are false.

Does anyone have hard evidence where I am SK and not Vig? No. They just assume I am lying through my role claim.

I want to know from the Mod if the SK is able to choose to not kill one night if they wish not to.

Again, let me further prove to you guys that I am on the town side, a vigilante. Let's find two people we suspect of scum or SK, and take them both out. Whatever it takes. The town is already at a pretty fair disadvantage.

[ChiboSempai]

[QUOTE=Wiki]The Serial Killer is a lone killer without allegiance. The Serial Killer kills once per night, and his goal is to be the sole survivor. Frequently they are not allowed by the Game Moderator to forgo their night kill.[/QUOTE]

That is why I'm brining up the whole SK kill every night thing. I want to know from the mod if that is the case from this game, and if so - what happens if the SK never sends their kill request?

Show whatever you want about me, say all of your suspicions. I have nothing to hide, I am the vigilante, not the SK.

[ChiboSempai]

sry, most forums im at that quote code works, il keep it in mind

but yea, considering iv been told to referrence the wiki by a bunch of players as it is lol, cant blame me for following the wiki entry for SK

[ChiboSempai]

You mean post 446? I already explained that.

[ChiboSempai]

Ray I really don't know exactly what you're trying to get me to respond to, you've mainly claimed that I'm SK, and I've been posting how I am not the SK and I am the Vigilante. Soooo..... ?

[ChiboSempai]

Ray if you don't want a quick lynch then unvote me to allow more time for this Day. I'm only one vote away from being lynched, it only takes 5 and I'm at 4.

Next post coming in a sec with info on other suspicious people and the mods response.

[ChiboSempai]

Ok, we got the answer from the mod, the SK does have to kill each night, and if he doesn't then someone will be chosen at random. Providing the Vigilante chooses to kill in a night (which I did N1) then there should be 3 kills - the mafia, vigilante, and SK.

CB is definitely a Tracker, his info on me is correct. There is no way he could have simply made that up, and I admit to it. Alamaster is playing this very hasty getting people out that aren't him (or perhaps people that aren't him or his scum buddies?) He ended D1 very quickly on a whim, and was also one of the few that voted for me asap after CB said I targeted Looker. That is expected to get some votes, however not only again do we see Alamaster looking for a quick ending of the day, his wording of his reply

OWNED. Nice one, cb.

Vote: Chibo

Larger post coming later.

Is a real act now talk later ordeal, and using buzz words like owned, and nice on make me want to believe he wants people to sort of think with him and catch their attention quickly. By saying OWNED he's practically implying they have 100% found the SK or something which they haven't seeing that I'm the Vigilante. His next post (the biggish one) includes this in it:

The ONLY excuse is: "I'm Vig, and the SK got roleblocked." Not gonna buy it.

Before I got a chance to post he outed one of the alternatives to me being the SK. This is of course, exactly what I had happened. Why would he say it first and say not gonna buy it? He wants people to think ahead of time that this is false so when I had to say it (since Alamaster knew it was the truth) people would already discredit it. So how could Alamaster know that was the truth? Perhaps he was the roleblocker. Even further, he used the term roleblocked, implying to being targeted by the roleblocker and not targeted from the jailer. Just a thought on that one. This leaves a chance that Alamaster is the Mafia roleblocker, in which case there is no Mafia tracker.

Besides what people think of me, Alamaster is by far the most suspicious person yet, trying to quickly end both days, and what he said in his big post was far too knowledgeable about my situation without me posting anything yet. His posting style as well trying to convince people further to be against me before I even have a chance to respond does not sit well with me and feels like a scum tactic.

Vote: AlmasterGM

[ChiboSempai]

Thinking more about this and especially with his unvote, this pretty much clears the suspicion I just had on RayFrost. I had believed there was a possibility of being the Mafia Roleblocker before, but now I feel it is much more likely to be Almaster, and RayFrost is willing to investigate the day more instead which really is not scummy at all.

[ChiboSempai]

If you guys believe that I am the Vigilante, then the following things are true:

Fact 1: Providing the Vigilante decides to kill, until the SK is dead - there should be three night kills per game. The mod confirmed for us that the SK can not forgo his kill.

Fact 2: I killed Looker as the Vigilante.

Fact 3: There were only two night kills in N1.

Fact 4: Either
a) The SK was hit by the Mafia Roleblocker
b) The SK was hit by the Jailer
c) The SK's target was hit by the Jailer

Fact 5: CB is a Tracker. He could be either Town Tracker or Mafia Tracker. If he is a Mafia Tracker then there is no Mafia Roleblocker meaning only (b) or (c) from Fact 4 can be correct.

Fact 6: If we discover the Mafia Roleblocker (my current suspicion is on AlmasterGM) then that means CB is a Town Tracker, thus clearing all mafia suspicion of him 100%. There can not be both a Mafia Roleblocker and Mafia Tracker in the game according to the Mod's possible setups.

Fact 7: Three vanilla townies are dead. This leaves 5 townies left. There is either 3 or 4 power roles. Since I am the Vigilante, that leaves four possible setups:
- Cult Leader missing from the power roles, and 5 Vanilla Townies
- Tracker missing from the power roles, and 5 Vanilla Townies
- Jailkeeper missing from the power roles, and 5 Vanilla Townies
- All four power roles, and 4 Vanilla Townies
The more we can confirm, the more we can determine the games exact setup which can determine which mafia roles there are. Lets be smart about this however without exposing everyone. For instance, if we can find out someone is in the cult that isn't the cult leader, then we will know there is a cult leader without exposing who he is, stuff like that. If we can determine that there is no Jailkeeper, then because of Fact 4 there has to be a Mafia Roleblocker, meaning CB is a Town Tracker guaranteed and we know the setup of the Mafia.

We need to expose the most information with revealing the least amount of information. And remember we have two town kills to use this entire day, the lynch in the day and my kill at night.

[ChiboSempai]

No, not planned, but saying that it's a little too convenient that Almaster knew before me saying anything that I was the vigilante and that the SK was roleblocked (not jailed, as his words). Before I said anything, he posted that as a possible scenario and claiming it was false, trying to make people not believe it when I said it. For him to know this as the correct possibility, it's pretty likely that he is the Mafia Roleblocker.

No I didn't find you suspicious because you voted me, hell, you're the 4th person to have voted me D2 so far lol. I found you suspicious for what I thought that you were trying to get me quick lynched and get the day over with, especially with brash claims like "Lets lynch this SK and his fakeclaiming ass." Then when thinking of possibilities I thought perhaps you were the Mafia Roleblocker (which I also said to see if I could get a reaction out of you by connecting you to a possible role).

But now those two things are false. You're not going for the quick lynch and unvoted me so the day isn't over right away, something I can't see the mafia doing, and after reading back on all of D2, I now legitimately suspect Almaster to be the Mafia Roleblocker, which means you can't be that. What I had though about you turned out to be false.

[ChiboSempai]

If you vote me and I turn out to be the Vigilante as I say:

-Town will be down to 4 people compared to 1 SK and 3 Mafia member
-Night 1 the mafia will kill a town member making it 3 town 1 SK 3 mafia
-If the SK kills a townie, mafia will win, out numbering the townsfolk. if the SK kills a mafia member, then it's 3 town 1 SK 2 mafia, still not a good situation.
-However, to play it safe - if there is a Mafia Roleblocker who knows who the SK is (from a successful block), then they can block him again so when D3 starts its 3 Town 1 SK 3 Mafia. Not a good situation at all, will likely result in a loss for the town since they will essentially have 4 enemies to their 3 members.

[ChiboSempai]

Alright, I've been giving this a bit of thought.

@Chibo

Is it your position that you believe that SK had his kill blocked? I just want to get this straight.

Either the SK was roleblocked or jailed, or his target was jailed. It's the only explanation.

Would you be willing to follow the town's direction, should it be self vigging, not vigging, vigging at town's discretion under penalty of death if you defy the town?

Self vigging as in choosing to kill myself? Is that even possible? Even if it is, that I am not willing to do because I know 100% that I would be killing a townie, and a power role at that. However yes, I will kill anyone else the town wants me to, OR...

You introduce an amazing way for me to prove that I am the Vig and not SK. The Vig can choose not to kill during the night unlike the SK. The SK HAS to kill each night. If the town wishes, I will not kill tonight, and to confirm it you can have the Tracker target me to make sure I target no one. Then in D3 you will either see one or two kills, one guaranteed by the mafia, and one from the serial killer since he is forced to kill. The only way there will be one kill is if the SK gets roleblocked or jailed again (or his target is jailed).

The town can choose what they want, have me kill whoever or not kill at all and I will do so under penalty of death if I do not comply.

I can see it possible that you are suffering from confirmation bias in regards to being the vig and are unable to come up with a reasonable defense to the circumstances or a powerfully convincing explanation, but despite all that may actually still be the vig.

I could see how you might be lead to believe that an SK would have to be compulsive, as the wiki tends to lead to that belief.

I originally believed that the SK had to kill every single night because of the Wiki, yes. However the mod further confirmed for us that for this game the SK must kill every single night, and if he doesn't send the name of someone, the mod chooses one person at random to kill (out of anyone, including the SK himself).

What do you think about the fact that people are accusing you of being an SK? (Frankly, I'm not in this camp personally, I can explain my position when you answer.)

Personally I can't blame them. Someone died, and a tracker got me targeting him, and it's true - I did target him. It's really not a pretty situation.

But remember in all of this I'm forced to roleclaim and the mafia will realize I'm a power town role, so we also have to act accordingly to make sure I am safe for the town.

If there is a Jailer, have him jail me to protect me. You can then have me target/kill no one (since a Vig can choose not to kill but a SK can't). Have a Tracker track me. The tracker will see that I targeted no one, and the jailer will prevent me from being killed by the mafia. Unless you want to use my kill tonight to the Town's advantage and you can track to make sure I do the kill I was told to, but then we have to think of a way for the mafia to not kill me.

[ChiboSempai]

J-Fox -

Can the mafia be prevented from doing their night kill? I know in some games a single mafia member has to do the deed or it's considered done in general. I personally have only been in 3 games and this hasn't come into play yet in my own experience.

Mod: Can the mafia's night kill be prevented in anyway by the Jailer?

The Mafia must nominate who performs their kill, so if that person were to be targeted by a Jailkeeper, the Mafia kill would not go through.

The only way the Mafia's kill can be stopped in this game is through the Jailer since that is the town's roleblocking force. In terms of a roleblocker only, the only possible roleblocker in the game is the mafia, and the Mafia Roleblocker wouldn't block their own kill.

[ChiboSempai]

So technically it is possible for the mafia's kill to be stopped, considering it was only N1 and the descriptions of the kills, I would say it's safe to assume that their kill was indeed carried through.

[ChiboSempai]

That's true I suppose.

The advantage the mafia has however is that the 3 of them can discuss together which one to nominate that is the least likely to be suspicious. However that doesn't stop their target from being jailed

But yea we shouldn't base assumptions around the mod's text i suppose.

[ChiboSempai]

Not buying Almaster's last post. First off his second sentence right off the bat is wrong:

"We have a PR claim against Chibo, and everyone is eating up this fairy tale about him being the roleblocked Vig?"

If he had actually been paying attention to whats going on, reading and understanding the posts he would know that I was not a Vigilante that was roleblocked. I am a Vigilante who targeted Looker and got my kill. It was either the SK that was roleblocked or jailed, or the SK's target who was jailed.

I can't help but get the feeling that Almaster is still trying to push for a speedy D2 similar to how he ended D1 on a whim. He's trying to provide fancy numbers to persuade people to end this, but they honestly do not make sense. I don't even wish to know how he got them, because they are wrong.

[ChiboSempai]

The thought honestly didn't occur to me when first thinking about. It's true that it could be possible, but it's less likely. In order for the mafia kill to been blocked, then the jailer would have had to have jailed either the mafia member sent to do the deed, or the person they targeted.

The roleblocker wouldn't be able to play a role in it because the only roleblocker is a mafia roleblocker, and they wouldn't block the mafia's kill.

So, if there is a jailer, then he knows potentially who a mafia member is or who was targeted by the mafia member, that is IF the mafia kill was blocked and not the serial killers kill.

[ChiboSempai]

why would i kill myself if im town? i already said i will do any kill command (including no kill, which ONLY a vig can do) except for kill myself, because i will not knowingly take out a town power role.

[ChiboSempai]

That puts Almaster at L-1 right?

[ChiboSempai]

Just making sure, when the day ends, is that what I should do? Not kill Night 2?

You might want to jail me to keep me alive from mafia or SK as well as track me to assure that I didn't target anyone.

[ChiboSempai]

Slight elaboration on the second part. Because the mafia will jump at the chance to take out the town's Vigilante. Especially if the Mafia has a roleblocker than blocked the SK (one of the possibilities), then they will know who the SK is for later, and with me roleclaiming Vig... It's a good opportunity for them.

[ChiboSempai]

Why would I self vig? What would that accomplish? I would be knowingly killing a power town role, something I don't want to do.

I have the power as a Vig to choose not to kill. I can do that and I can be tracked to make sure I don't target someone. SK can not forgo the night kill.

[ChiboSempai]

re Pome:

eeeeh... =/

I'm enthusiastic when I think there has been obv scum/sk caught. Would you prefer I had no enthusiasm? That usually leads to no posting for me... >.>

Calm down, I'm not that suspicious of you, and I'm pretty suspicious of Chibo. I'm just not sure who to vote for, Almaster or Chibo.

This is calm O.o Me not calm is me excited, for the most part.

Anyway, I was just explaining. I figure it is best to explain things for future reference rather than let people (possibly) make incorrect assumptions. Assumptions that are wrong are harmful to town.

The jailkeeper shouldn't target Chibo tonight. That'd complete defeat the purpose of, y'know, having him not "vig" tonight, since he'd be RBed out of doing it... subtle SK move, imo. I think my vote is currently still on him, so I'm keeping with that.

The reason I said that is because Jailing is the only pro town protection we have.

And if I'm not killing tonight, you would still know that I didn't target anyone by tracking me.

Either way, I will choose not to kill tonight unless you guys want me to. Up to the town.

[ChiboSempai]

I thought that since I tried to target someone it would still pick that up, or know that I didn't attempt to target someone.

Idk, tbh I'm still kind of new to mafia, I don't know all of the mechanics perfectly.

You guys tell me what you want me to do to prove that I'm the Vigilante.

As long as it doesn't involve killing myself *facepalm*

[ChiboSempai]

Yea if Almaster's list of scum just happens to be on his wagon, I find that a lil too convinient.

[ChiboSempai]

voting me would hammer, konowa unvoted but was voting almaster, not me

i wont kill N2. have CB track me if u want to confirm, but it proves that I'm not the SK. as for the mafia, find a way to prove that im not and il do it. afterall, im behind the almaster lynch, who i think is scum - and i wouldnt lunch a fellow mafia member.

[ChiboSempai]

and since im not going to kill tonight, im at the least safe to keep around one more night.

remember i promised to do tonight what the town wants me to do at penalty of death.

if you want me to kill who we think is mafia, then that would prove im not mafia. if you all think almaster is scum, then lets find someone thats not me or almaster to lynch today, and il kill almaster tonight if u want. at the very least, im working to the towns advantage whether you believe im vig scum or SK.

[ChiboSempai]

Almaster make up your mind, do you want the suspicion on your cast off onto me or Haylen lol

[ChiboSempai]

I'm not in a rush to lynch anyone. I just found that interesting lol. I didn't say if I was suspicious or not on Haylen, though the lack of big promised posts is annoying x.x

[ChiboSempai]

It's quite tough to 100% prove my role since there are technically 3 possibilities. One step at a time though, first is to not kill tonight. I have an idea.

It still boggles my mind to think that there are still 3 Mafia out there, and we haven't gotten one of them yet. I would think that with 33% of us being Mafia we should get a definite read on someone, which the closest only seems to be Almaster. We should perhaps spend a little more time in this day to try and discover a 2nd scum candidate to keep in mind for later, this day shouldn't really go to waste. I forget what the vote count is. Am I at L-1? Is Almaster? Either way, I would hope that whoever is at L-1 someone unvotes so we definitely have more time to discuss things.

[ChiboSempai]

While Almaster was at L-1 before did he ever make any claims like, it would be a bad idea to lynch me? Or him saying don't lynch town (meaning Almaster) it would mean almost guaranteed loss for town? Something along those lines? As far as I know his only means of defense was trying to push for my lynch even further.

If we has town we would know the situation we were in and hopefully claim town before he gets hammered so we would at least consider the situation if he is possibly town, and the extreme disadvantage we would be at with 4 town down in the game.

He doesn't seem to be thinking town at all. That reasoning + quickly ending the wagon on Peabody. Doesn't look good imo. He's still my top candidate for scum.

[ChiboSempai]

Ok then, as scum and stupid as this sounds lol, someone who is voting me please unvote. I just want to discuss this day more and perhaps find another scum candidate, hear from Haylen, and discuss Almaster's motives more.

[ChiboSempai]

Almaster who do you find scummy besides me and possibly Haylen?

Also, I find it weird that Almaster almost wants us to vote him since he's claimed townie. Regardless if its vanilla or not, we're down by A LOT. We can't afford to lose ANY more town people. I don't trust his claim.

[ChiboSempai]

I want to call his bluff. A townie would not act against the town like that. Someone vote him (since I already am) to put him at L-1.

[ChiboSempai]

EBWOP:

A townie would not and or should not act against the town like that.

[ChiboSempai]

Nice try Almaster, you've got one more chance, since you didn't follow the rules. Still wanna vote yourself?

"7 - To vote, post a bolded Vote: almightybob. To unvote, post a bolded Unvote. If you are switching votes, an unvote is necessary. "

[ChiboSempai]

lol, only HAMMAH MASTAS hammer themselves lol

Though I seriously can not begin to fathom the logic behind self hammering @_@

I have no idea what he's gonna flip to be.

With the situation the town is in it would be downright retarded to self lynch. Which would leave SK or Mafia. SK's goal is to be the only survivor lol, Almaster can't be SK. Unless the mafia sacrificed him to confuse us? I guess we'll find out soon.

[ChiboSempai]

Note to the Serial Killer:

I'm sure you have probably thought about this yourself, but here is the situation.
Two townies. You. Three mafia members. You have to have some sort of idea who is who at this point (especially

if one of your kills ended up being jailed by chance).
Follow the town this day. If you follow the mafia, you can not win.

There are three mafia, and it takes 4 to vote. If you vote anyone that they know is not them, then the three

of them can jump on the vote and quick lynch one of the last two townies. The game will be over, and you will

be massively outnumbered to the mafia and are guaranteed to lose.

If you vote with the town however, there is a chance of eliminating a mafia member, which essentially gives

you a chance at winning the game. It's up to you, your lynch vote today decides whether or not you can win,

or are guaranteed to lose.

I have another reply already typed out ready to post, but I can't say it yet.

[ChiboSempai]

CB, from posts 639 and 640, it seems that you intended to track me. What were the results you got?

[ChiboSempai]

Ok, this is the post I typed. I just wanted to wait until CB posted if he tracked me or not and the result.


Can anyone make out what the membership card means?

I honestly don't know this - since the Jailer was killed N2, is whoever he jailed N2 actually carried out? Or is his "jailing" nulled from him being killed?

We've seen 4 townies die so far, along with a cult leader and jailer. Whether you guys believe it or not yet, I'm the Vigilante. That leaves two possible town setups left:
-Vigilante and Tracker left
-Vigilante and Townie left

We know canadianbovine is a tracker, however there are two possibilities: Town Tracker (leaving no more vanilla townies) or Mafia Tracker. Let's go back to when we first heard his claim:

Before he claimed:

vote: chibo sempai

you're scum or the sk.

His claim:

vote: chibo sempai

you're scum or the sk.

You're saying that with a lot of certainty, why?

glad you would ask. i guess it is time for me to reveal myself.

i am the

Tracker

and i tracked Chibo last night.

Chibo targeted Looker last night.

coincidentally, Looker is dead.

CB says the

Tracker

leading us to believe that he is the town tracker. However, if we can confirm there is just one more vanilla townie among us, then that will mean 100% that CB is scum.

It actually could have been smart for CB to claim Tracker the way he did, it was a risky move though. He called me the

scum

or the sk. If he's scum, this completely got attention off oh him (scum), and put it onto me (not scum).

I'm hoping somehow we can decipher this membership card (something to do with the members of his cult perhaps?)

This definitely isn't over yet, luckily I am still alive, so the town has two potential kills at their disposal (the lynch and my night kill).

Also, now we know there was a Jailer, this decreases the likelihood of a Mafia Roleblocker. We know N1 someone was blocked somehow, and we weren't sure if it was from a jailing or roleblocking. So there was either, just a roleblocker, just a jailer, or both. We at least knocked out one of those possibilities. Also, now that we know there is a jailer, that means there doesn't have to be a mafia roleblocker making it perfectly likely that CB is a mafia tracker and there being 2 regular goons.

[ChiboSempai]

Regardless, the fact that the town HAS to lynch a mafia member to win (or for the SK to win), unless anyone can prove elsewise, the our best bet is taking out CB. There doesn't have to be a roleblocker since there was a jailer. He is some sort of tracker.

The cards are extremely stacked against the town, I have no choice but to follow Pom.

Vote: canadianbovine

[ChiboSempai]

vote: chibo sempai

you're scum or the sk.

I'm wondering why he didn't mention vig, only scum or SK.

well... three PRs for town, two have flipped, leaving one PR slot left, no?

The choice is between CB or chibo, and I've felt chibo was the SK for quite a bit, so...

read to op

its either 2 power roles or one power role and one vanilla

at the least pom claimed vt

im not sk, didnt u realize that i didnt kill last night -_-

[ChiboSempai]

I don't think we have a Vig, because there have only been two kills...unless the Vig or SK didn't kill and I've misread something somewhere?

Please, if you're not gonna post much, at least read everything.

The mod said SK must kill every night. If he doesn't send a name then the kill will be random. This was already mentioned by someone else though.

As for the Vigilante, if you've kept up with everything I'm sure you know how I claimed Vig and that whole mess and was told by CB to not kill last night. I chose not to kill.

Thinking about it now, if CB is a Mafia Tracker, it would be smart for him to order me not to kill. It was the general consensus by most ppl for me to not kill either way, however if I did end up getting a mafia member, that would have certainly been bad for them. CB was the main one at the end who told me not to kill tonight, and I'm starting to think that it might have been just to ensure that I didn't end up killing and mafia members last night.

Guys, the only good chance of nagging a mafia member so far is CB.

We know there is a blocking role of some sort (Mafia Roleblocker or Jailer)

We know CB is a tracker of some sort (Mafia Tracker or Town Tracker)

If there is a Mafia Roleblocker, there can not be a Mafia Tracker

There doesn't have to be a Mafia Roleblocker since it was confirmed that a Jailer was in the game

No one has claimed any other tracking besides CB at this point which leads me to believe that he is the only tracker

Pomegranate is claiming Vanilla Townie which if true makes it impossible for there to be a Town Tracker

Thus, the safest option is to assume that canadianbovine is the Mafia Tracker. Pomegranate and Serial Killer, please vote him with me asap to get 3 votes on him and push him to L-1. I'll explain why after.

[ChiboSempai]

I trust the claim.

Besides the fact that the town doesn't have much to work with right now.

Why would a mafia member claim Vanilla Townie? If a mafia member does indeed claim VT, then that means they are outting CB to be mafia. If there is a VT, then CB is 100% mafia.

Unless it's the SK that claimed VT, which doesn't guarantee that CB is mafia, but it's still a chance we have to play off of. After all the SK needs to be on the towns side if he wants any shot of winning.

Again, SK and VT. Vote canadianbacon immediately if either of you want any shot in winning this game. Vote now to put him at L-1 then ask questions later. It's imperative that you do.

[ChiboSempai]

lol yea its canadianbovine, not canadianbacon lolz

theres a reason its put to L-1 first then ask questions later. its a legit plan that will work for town. i cant say it because if i do the mafia will be able to counter it

[ChiboSempai]

Forget I said anything about Pom. Whoever the VT and SK are, vote CB with me.

[ChiboSempai]

Btw mafia has an auto win situation right now, and we need to act fast before they realize what to do

[ChiboSempai]

I'm not following anyone else. Forget any ties to anyone else.

I'm basing my vote off of what I think alone. Scum needs to be lynched today or the town and SK loses, end of story.

The closest shot we have to someone being scum is CB from the tracker situation which I've explained multiple times. So SK and other townie, whoever you are, vote with me, and I guarantee you that we have another chance at winning.

[ChiboSempai]

Sorry about that, I was out all weekend at the VGXPO and I couldn't give online at the person's place I was staying at.

Either way -_- ...

I find it interesting that CB has not proclaimed suspicions of me in the past particularly (besides the first tracking) and I was stupid enough to follow what he said and not nightkill to help prove my innocence which could have been a potential kill on scum that we really needed.

Now when I realize the real truth behind it and try to call him out, he immediately says he's sure I'm scum and votes me. I almost want to think of it as a OMGUS vote.

I couldn't answer your questions JFox because of what I said at the top of the post. You could have seen my other games as well where I said the same thing. It's one thing to vote me if I flat out ignore your questions, but I didn't ignore them since I didn't post in the game at all since I wasn't here. I will answer them now, but I'm a little suspicious of the vote you placed on me.

I am at a complete loss as to why Chibo is so willing to follow Pome. Your logic that it's because the towns in such a precarious position completely falls flat if you consider that if Bovine is the town tracker, then we lose a PR if we lynch him. If we lynched Pome (not suggesting this btw, this is hypothetical), and he turns out VT, yes it would ofc be crippling for the town, but not as bad as losing a PR, we'd most likely be fucked if we lynch any member of the town today, but lynching a PR would fuck us over even worse than a VT. So why is it for the good of the town to blindly follow Pome? What makes him more likely to be telling the truth than Bovine?

Crippling? lol no. It would be game over. If SK or Town gets lynched today, the game is over. Simple as that. If there is any chance for the game to continue, mafia needs to be lynched. I'm not following anyone at this point. I suppose I just used Pome's VT claim as an example of sorts. At this point I'm just saying to the SK and VT - whoever you are - vote CB with me if you want any chance in winning the game, unless we can find someone we have more of a chance of being scum and those two would vote for them, then I will switch my vote to that person. I just feel that statistically we have the best chance of CB being scum over anyone else.

Why?? You've given no reasoning whatsoever for putting the town at such risk with rash tactics of putting someone at -1, where the scum could just pounce and win if you're wrong about Bovine. This is starting to make me deeply deeply suspicious that one of you or Pome are scum, and I'm suspecting you more at the moment for your ridiculous plans.

I don't really believe the claim anymore, idk why I said I did tbh. However, I don't need to know who is who for this plan to work. Believe me, I would say it if I could. However if I said this plan outloud, then it could easily be stopped by the mafia. Just believe me in that if the 3 of us (me, sk, and other townie) can get a supposed mafia member to L-1, we're fine.

The mafia has a 100% full proof way of winning right now and I'm honestly surprised they haven't thought of it yet. We (town and SK) need to act fast to do what we can to stop the 100% mafia plan. There is a way the town can block it if we do as I say.

[ChiboSempai]

The cards are stacked against us obvious. It's 3 scum, 1 SK, and 2 townies left in the game. I played out every situation in my head of how the day could turn out to even see if it was still possible for the town to win, and yes, there is only one or two possible ways the town has any hope of winning. One of the ways are kind of iffy (though the other, if the town listens to my plan is full proof to at least have this game go for one more day). Likewise, I had wondered from the mafias point of view to see all of their options, so we avoid those options. It was interesting to think also considering that they have more people than anyone else. And yes, the mafia have a 100% full proof way of winning the game right now, but luckily they haven't acted on it (since they haven't done it yet). I can not say what it is, because if I do, lol they'll do it. There is one way the town can counter this plan, but again, the other town and SK have to follow what I said. The three of us just need to get one of the mafia members down to L-1. That's the plan at the moment.

[ChiboSempai]

Sorry, but there's no other option but to go with it: here's why

Vote: RayFrost

Hopes that RayFrost is scum. Reasoning coming now.

[ChiboSempai]

I'm sorry,

Unvote
Vote: RayFrost

[ChiboSempai]

I could have likely just fallen into the mafia plan, but I had no choice, lemme explain all of the logic I've been thinkn of but couldn't tell.

The 100% way that mafia could win is the 3 of them all put a vote on the same person asap. There you go, that's it. They could essentially run out the timer and wait until the forced end of day, and that person would be lynched since that person got to L-1 first. Mafia needed to be lynched today.

Reason I voted RayFrost...

It was someone who was at L-1 that wasn't me. Since I'm town, that meant that there was 5 other people, 3 of which were mafia. Hopefully the odds worked out. I couldn't waste anytime for if that someone would unvote. For all I know it could have been a mafia plan, the three of them quickly voted RayFrost and I went with it, but it doesn't matter. If they realized the plan I said, then RayFrost was going to die anyway.

[ChiboSempai]

More elaboration on my vote since I was in a hurry before to leave for work...

I really don't think the scum figured out the plan, especially since RayFrost was somewhat on my watch list, I didn't like how he was acting most of the game and didn't come off too townie to me. I'm just hoping one of the first two votes on him was a scum partner trying to bus him to rid suspicion on themselves to keep the town in the dark, and hoping that being the case since it backfired on them.

Though if it was the three mafia members who voted for him and they knew the plan, then all I did was end it quicker since it was inevitable. Everyone do a lot of reading before you send in the night actions.

Take note of reactions to the Almaster self lynch, when CB first mentioned him tracking me, the nightkills each night, and more.

[ChiboSempai]

It's not self preservation, it's town preservation

the situation the town is in made it so it was the only possible choice

Of the three people who voted RayFrost, either...

All 3 were scum:
meaning they initiated the plan I described, and could have waited till the end of the day and rayfrost woulda been lynched since he hit L-1 first. Me voting RayFrost changed nothing then

One or more weren't scum:
Meaning at least one of the voters were scum and attempting to bus RayFrost to keep suspicion off of them and the opportunity was open to hammer so I had to take it.

Hammering was the only solution before someone unvoted if they were trying to bus him.

[ChiboSempai]

gg everyone

told you i was vig

im so glad that before sending in my night 3 actions i reread most of it and correctly guessed the role of every single remaining player after knowing rayfrost was scum.

gj haylen on the win
im just glad i was able to help turn around the extreme disadvantage from town and advantage for mafia and help mafia not win

[ChiboSempai]

yea i was at L-1 at one point

but i was able to convince ppl to unvote to let the game continue to discuss the day more so no quick lynch and provided the fact that if there was a differ vig, he should kill me that night if i wasnt the vig supposedly

i honestly didnt think u were scum at first, though reading back on it after i suspected u the way u said your scum or the sk was def a scumtell, im surprised i didnt pick up on it first time around

the main point i figured u were scum was when i did the one big post outlining the plan for how town or SK can win being on the beginning of day 3, when i said i wrote a post but couldnt post it yet, as i was waiting for your reply first of your night action. i didnt want my post i made to influence u to possibly lie about your night action and the result of it.