Battle Mafia: Game Over

[DTMaster]

Town Pineapple... Mafia Grapes.... Town Wardrobe. That would make for some interesting future claims. :p /offtopicness

@Ben/Cass
So you consider myself as confirmed scum now? The context of the recent quote seems to suggest this.

[Nikanor]

I'm pretty sure DTM is town, to answer tajo's question.

[Benmage]

I'm pretty sure DTM is town

Cold wisdom waiting on superfluous folly.

He cannot want the best

@Ben/Cass
So you consider myself as confirmed scum now? The context of the recent quote seems to suggest this.

I'm pretty sure DTM is town

No.

12. Cicero - Lyncher, Loses Night 1

19. Kairyuu (Rep. Seraphim) - Cult Recruiter, Killed Day 2

9. Gieff - Mafia Neighbour, Killed Day 1

[SpyreX]

Welll, hells bells.

Time to come clean I guess.

I AM a Psychic. Just, well, not a town one.

I win if I successfully pick the lynch target three times. In the greatest piece of guesswork ever n0 I DID pick Maryita to get lynched (a total guess).

Needless to say, I have picked DTM today for the lynch. Which means, shock and awe, if I pick myself tomorrow I win and vaminos.

So, yes, I was lying because I didn't think for a second you'd actually HELP me get a third party win. No, I'm not scum.

Aside from that -tiny- white lie everything else I've said today is true:

1.) Paranoid DOES mean paranoid.
2.) Vi is town. CKD is town.
3.) Nik is scum. DTM is scum. Yos is probably the cult recruit.
4.) Crazy's 180 on DTM based on his projections of me is very, VERY bothersome.

So, there you go. I'm not so hot with third parties it seems. I THOUGHT my claim was good but I sure didn't think through the specifics (although someday I think I want to use it in a setup ).

[Cass]

I think Spyrex is scum. But I want to lynch DTM-scum first. I've explained my reasons already.

Can you point me to them?

Look at my posts in Iso. It'd help if you would read the game, btw...

@Spyrex... do you somehow (through being psychic?) know these things for a fact? Or are you merely saying those are your honest opinions?

[SpyreX]

No, I have no "facts". That's just me reading the game.

My actual role is simply if I correctly pick the lynch three times I win.

[Crazy]

@Crazy

Nik was the one who originally wanted to test the Town Batmobile idea. I wanted to see if Spyrex actually can watch at night to confirm that wrong guesses would lead to failed results.

The whole claim mess makes it impossible to test since there are so many loop holes in the claim that my whole "lie detector" test/idea cannot work. As well we do not know if there is a RBer to block town-Spy if he is telling the truth.

Okay, I confused it for a second, then. Still, you were pushing to keep SpyreX alive for a while.

I still think SpyreX should be lynched today, especially since we're facing deadline. Survivor claims are almost always lynched, and this is the same situation. SpyreX is neutral at best, scum at worst, so he needs to die. Sorry.

[DTMaster]

@Spyrex

Impossible, I'm not scum. You are saying that to get to your win condition as third party psychic. If you go by this logic, we need to focus on another target because it'll cause in a double mislynch if you go for me today, and we will be wasting time on the third party if we go for you.

I recommend we look at RL right now while there is still time before deadline.

[Crazy]

I recommend we look at RL right now while there is still time before deadline.

Deadline hits in less than 24 hours, I believe.

[DTMaster]

: < Troubling unless we get more activity from people. Ideally if we look at this situation and now with Spyrex`s real claim:

1. We now know that his results are all false because he is just guess people towards his win condition. He is 3rd party and would not be beneficial to town to lynch since he`s not scum, unless his win condition makes the town lose. (I`m thinking Jester win scenario)

2. If you do lynch me it`s only logical to follow through Spyrex if I flip town, or keep Spyrex if I flip scum. The fact that he knows that he`s planning to get lynched suggests the former in his plan.

This makes sense from his new claim.. but the strike against it is that his new claim is very convenient based on the scenario present.

[curiouskarmadog]

knew the claim did not make any sense...still not really sure I believe this one either...vote stays.

[Crazy]

DTM, SpyreX is not pro-town. And since he's already a leading wagon, the best course of action is to lynch him. 3rd-party claims are almost always lynched, and there's a reason.

[SpyreX]

No I am not pro-town. However, I'm not ANTI-town either.

My winning does NOTHING to your winning.

I still think DTM is scum and your weird relationship throughout this day is extremely telling so.

I'm saying, lynch DTM and tomorrow I'll pick myself and then you get to lynch me and I get to be lynched and we all win.

And yes, this means that if I win the game continues.

And I'm extremely miffed that through a stroke of luck I am THIS close to winning and yet Paranoid Cop is going to screw it up.

[Cass]

Well then:

Unvote
Vote: Spyrex

Was that the hammer?

It's lame to wait for deadline to solve your problems for you.

[Vi]

And I'm extremely miffed that through a stroke of luck I am THIS close to winning and yet Paranoid Cop is going to screw it up.

Um, SpyreX.

I win if I successfully pick the lynch target

three

times.

Battle Mafia: Cult takes a hit!

Day 2

!

Also, next time make a more plausible claim

@Cass: That was the hammer, yes.

[SpyreX]

.... Yea, Mariya, DTM and tomorrow myself makes 3.

Awesome hammer.

[Vi]

.... Yea, Mariya, DTM and tomorrow myself makes 3.

0.0
oic

[DTMaster]

@Spy

I think you lost your win condition since the order is... out of order. >>

Unless you lied again about

Needless to say, I have picked DTM today for the lynch. Which means, shock and awe, if I pick myself tomorrow I win and vaminos.

[Battle Mage]

Vote Count

SpyreX 7 (BloodCovenent, Crazy, Yosarian2, Nikanor, Vi, CKD)
DTMaster 4 (SpyreX, Randomlunatic, Populartajo, Benmage)

Not Voting (2): Sajin, Maemuki

With 13 votes in play, 7 votes are required to lynch. If Day ended now, SpyreX would be lynched.

After a very long day with only 2 real contenders for a boardroom bashing, it was decided that SpyreX would face the trigger. He offered wads of cash in exchange for his life, but to no avail:

SpyreX - Mafia Bookie, Beaten to Death and Shot, Day 2

It seemed that his claim had been fabricated, as had his hatred of the Mod. The town was one step closer to successfully regaining control of...well...the town.

It is now Night 2. You have 46 hours to get any and all choices to me. Any choices not recieved, will be forgone.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You all wake up alive and well. Albeit, slightly surprised, and more than a little anxious.

It is now Day 3. With 12 votes in play, 7 votes are required to lynch. I will set a deadline when i get back from V/LA.

BM

[Crazy]

I searched for what a Bookie was; I found this page:

http://randomness.talonz.com/werewiki/index.php/Bookie

The role listed there is over-complex, but I'm certain SpyreX's role is relatively the same as that (just guessing the lynch instead of the NK), since that's pretty much a combination of the two roles that he claimed.

I've been lazy the past few days, so I didn't reread or anything.

Vote: Nikanor

for now.

[Yosarian2]

Awesome, we nailed another scum. There can't be many left now.

I'm still leaning towards DTM being scum as well. SOmeone else who comes to mind as a suspect is Random. Probably will have more details once I do some focused re-reads.

Doing a quick skim of Nikanor's posts after Crazy's vote...for the most part, Nikanor's vote was in the right place for most of the game, but this post:

@charter: Fullclaim or be voted.

No.

'Kay.

Unvote. Vote: charter.

Is there any specific reason for why you won't fullclaim? The only reason I can think of is that you are lying.

does dramatically increase the odds of Nikanor being scum with Mariyta .

The whole way that he A) tried to fish for charter's role, B) tried to attack charter while he was attacking Mariyta, and C) Then later tried to discredit charter by accusing him of being a lyncher, all make him look bad.

Of course, he wasn't the only person to do those things.

[Nikanor]

The whole way that he A) tried to fish for charter's role, B) tried to attack charter while he was attacking Mariyta, and C) Then later tried to discredit charter by accusing him of being a lyncher, all make him look bad.

A) charter was scummy. I thought he was lying, so I tried to get him to elaborate.
B) I assume by 'he,' you mean charter. I attacked charter because I thought he was lying. His even tried to take credit for EB's death, if I recall correctly. I also would like to think that if I were Mariyta's partner, I wouldn't be stupid enough to chainsaw defend her with a cop's guilty on her.
C) I tried to discredit him by calling him just regular old scum as well. Does that count for anything?

Also, if I were Mariyta's scumbuddy, why would I push for SpyreX's lynch with 'paranoid cop is not paranoid,' when I could have went with the opposite position and pushed for an easy DTM lynch to semi-confirm my partner? /WIFOM

I need to reread a bit, but right now I think DTM is town, at least.

[DTMaster]

Out of all the towns people, Ben was the only one who heavily stressed on the DTM and Spy order. Considering Spy's personal win condition and his role as "bookie" with Crazy's link, I suggest we look into Ben's actions into this.

It's late here and I'm finishing some school work before midterm season. I won't have the time to PBPA but a good reread will help.

[Yosarian2]

A) charter was scummy. I thought he was lying, so I tried to get him to elaborate.
B) I assume by 'he,' you mean charter. I attacked charter because I thought he was lying. His even tried to take credit for EB's death, if I recall correctly. I also would like to think that if I were Mariyta's partner, I wouldn't be stupid enough to chainsaw defend her with a cop's guilty on her.

Eh. I think scum would have wanted to at least get a claim out of him, at least find out what kind of role he was.

Also, scum DID do exactally what you're talking about; EB certanly did, which was how I knew he was scum.

Anyway, if someone suddenly pops up on day 1 and implies they have role information that person X is guilty, the odds of them just lying are generally pretty small; it would take a pretty crazy scum to try that. A whole bunch of people were attacking charter there, in a situation where scum had motivation to do so and town didn't; the whole "claim now or die" stuff didn't make any sense to me at all. I would be incredibly surprised if at least some of the people doing that not scum with Maryita. You were one of them.

Now, probably not everyone who was saying that is scum. I bet there were more scum there, though.

People on the "look like rolefishing scumbuddies of maryita list" are:
EB (obv)
Random
Nikanor
DTM

Your behavior was especally bad, since you attacked Charter when he first attacked Maryita, then followed him and voted Mariyta when he said he had role information, but then later reversed yourself and voted charter again afterwards. Just really scummy.

Also, re-reading that time period now, I forgot that it was you Mari had claimed to have day-roleblocked, which is kind of interesting. A lot of people in this game seem to have day-actions. How would she have known you woun't contradict her claim, if she isn't your buddy? Granted, she was a little vauge with the details of the timing, but you didn't push her for precise details either, which I would have expected you to if you were town.

C) I tried to discredit him by calling him just regular old scum as well. Does that count for anything?

Well, yeah, that goes against you as well.

Also, if I were Mariyta's scumbuddy, why would I push for SpyreX's lynch with 'paranoid cop is not paranoid,' when I could have went with the opposite position and pushed for an easy DTM lynch to semi-confirm my partner? /WIFOM

How would a DTM lynch "semi-confirm" SpyreX?

I need to reread a bit, but right now I think DTM is town, at least.

Why?