Open 169 - [Alternating 9P] OVER

[RayFrost]

I guess I missed that. We are kind of having a difficult time breaking the ice here.

Yeah.

I bet even mastin couldn't break the ice... oh wait... he doesn't >.> he just gets chased across it. <.<

anyway...

no idea where to go from here.

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VOTE COUNT

(3) CSL - Maemuki, RayFrost, Paradoxombie

(2) Deuxieme Octopus - Khamisa, Lynx The Antithesis
(1) RayFrost - dank
(1) Haylen - Haylen
(1) Khamisa - Deuxieme Octopus
(1) Maemuki - CSL

Not Voting: ---

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
DEADLINE: September 23, 2009 6:30 PM PST

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Yeah this is getting to the be the longest RVS I've been involved in.

OH NO maybe we'll be like this the entire game! I bet Scum would certainly like that.

We have a new goal in perpetuating the chaos the entire game and still winning. Go!

[RayFrost]

Yeah this is getting to the be the longest RVS I've been involved in.

OH NO maybe we'll be like this the entire game! I bet Scum would certainly like that.

We have a new goal in perpetuating the chaos the entire game and still winning. Go!

okay!

Claim: Mafia

Ray Frost votes: Ray Frost

[Paradoxombie]

So why not vote CSL, Lynx?

[Lynx The Antithesis]

So why not vote CSL, Lynx?

I see no reason to really. It's odd to state your distaste for the RVS, then continue it along with another random vote. I don't find this necessarily scummy though. It's tough to pull everyone out of it really when you haven't noticed anything suspect.

Is there anything else that I'm missing from your vote on him that would make me more inclined to find it suspicious?

[Maemuki]

Unvote

Unwilling vote: Maemuki

Obviously Evil Twins ARE Evil.

Why the unwilling vote part? o.o

And so we're locked on a perpetual RVS, and we'll have to spend the whole game in it? Wonderful.

[RayFrost]

Yeah this is getting to the be the longest RVS I've been involved in.

OH NO maybe we'll be like this the entire game! I bet Scum would certainly like that.

We have a new goal in perpetuating the chaos the entire game and still winning. Go!

okay!

Claim: Mafia

Ray Frost votes: Ray Frost

Nobody is jumping on this?

[Maemuki]

I don't believe mafia claims anymore.

Personal experience.

[RayFrost]

I don't believe mafia claims anymore.

Personal experience.

yeah... I'm in that game, remember?

Anyway...

unvote, vote: Lynx

because he describes worry about the RVS lasting the whole game but does nothing to help stop it.

[Maemuki]

yeah... I'm in that game, remember?

Oh yeah. I forgot about that part.

Anyway...

unvote, vote: Lynx

because he describes worry about the RVS lasting the whole game but does nothing to help stop it.

And so did I. Anyways, any idea about how to get out of this everlasting

winter

RVS?

[RayFrost]

FoS: Maemuki

for not thinking for herself on this and attempting to act accordingly.

[CSL]

FoS: My Bandwagon

for putting me at L-2. Seriously, am I going to be a target of the RVS? I am going to vote for the person who puts me at L-1, I swear this.

Also,

FoS: RayFrost

for FoSing my Evil Twin. XD

[Lynx The Antithesis]

unvote, vote: Lynx

because he describes worry about the RVS lasting the whole game but does nothing to help stop it.

For clarification purposes, is this serious?

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: Lynx

because he describes worry about the RVS lasting the whole game but does nothing to help stop it.

For clarification purposes, is this serious?

If I say it isn't, that defeats its purpose. If I say it is, it is a ridiculous vote.

Conclusion:

it's a convo-start (attempt to)

[Lynx The Antithesis]

I see...more importantly I'm looking into CSL's last post. He FOS's the entire wagon on him, but doesn't care to actually vote someone. He only threatens to retaliate and vote the person who puts him at L-1. This looks bad to me. Like he's trying to intimidate anyone from pressuring him.

Unvote,Vote:CSL

Thats only L-2 though so thankfully I just missed his OMGUS cut-off.

[CSL]

Lynx, I am already voting for my Evil Twin, which I'm going to

unvote

anyways.

Also, I misread Lynx as Lynch.

[dank]

So why not vote CSL, Lynx?

I see no reason to really. It's odd to state your distaste for the RVS, then continue it along with another random vote. I don't find this necessarily scummy though. It's tough to pull everyone out of it really when you haven't noticed anything suspect.

Is there anything else that I'm missing from your vote on him that would make me more inclined to find it suspicious?

Lets look at the RVS in general. Its random, it takes up time and space, and it really doesnt add any helpful scumhunting, unless someone is willing to step out of it. I think we can both agree that lack of helpful scumhunting is helping mafia. It is town that has the motivation to step out of rvs and get some work done, town is the one backed against a wall.

CSL stated distaste for a long RVS, what I feel is a town point of view, and yet prolonged it with another vote, which I feel is not town. I don't like how you simply dismissed it as not scummy, because unnecessarily long RVS is helpful for mafia and hurtful for town. That is the very definition of scummy, is it not?

[Deuxieme Octopus]

CSL stated distaste for a long RVS, what I feel is a town point of view

Not necessarily. Both town and scum players want the game to move into a phase where a lynch is both more likely and less reprehensible on an individual level. An RVS-lynch (hammer vote specifically) is an instant suspicion-magnet, something scum would never encourage.

Disliking long RVS's is a null-tell.

[dank]

CSL stated distaste for a long RVS, what I feel is a town point of view

Not necessarily. Both town and scum players want the game to move into a phase where a lynch is both more likely and less reprehensible on an individual level. An RVS-lynch (hammer vote specifically) is an instant suspicion-magnet, something scum would never encourage.

Disliking long RVS's is a null-tell.

Butn at the same time, an RVS hammer (which mafia ordinarily would never do) + instant suspicion magnet the next day is about the best thing that could happen for scum, if its just a stupid townie that hammers. Thats why mafia wants RVS as long as possible, not only does it prevent town from doing anything that's really productive, but it allows the possibility for stupid mistakes that could seriously cost town the game (mislynch + lynch of the hammerer).

That's a specific case, but in general, I don't think it's helpful at all for town to keep RVS going, while it is perhaps the ideal situation for mafia at this point.

Anyway, yeah, saying you dislike rvs is a null tell. I just felt that its something that could be said for town points, especially if no action afterwards supports actually going out of it. Anyway, that's not at all my main point- questioning lynx's assertion that prolonging RVS isn't scummy.

[CSL]

Dank, if the RVS hammer hits scum, would that be a suspicion magnet?

[dank]

Town outnumbers scum, doesn't it? RVS hammer is a crapshoot, pure and simple. Crapshoots will tend to favor scum, because there are more town players than scum players?

Chances of hitting scum through educated guesses > Crapshoots. Educated guesses come only through scumhunting in this game. Are you trying to suggest that its better to take a crapshoot and lynch on close to nothing, instead of gathering info through scumhunting? ++ scumpoints for you.

Yes, if we somehow manage to lynch scum on a crapshoot, great. But chances are greater that we don't, and we'd most likely be in a deep hole afterwards with close to nothing from d1, and perhaps a nooby/stupid prime suspect for d2.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Dank, if I don't find something scummy I'm not going to press it further. If you feel that the point is suspicious, then by all means pursue it. We don't have the same opinion on what's scummy and what's not. I voted CSL for a different reason all together.

On a side note, you say it's town's motivation to get us out of the RVS. But I've seen you do little to accomplish this goal. As far as I'm concerned, Paradox and I are the only ones with actual serious votes out there.

CSL, will you still be voting the person who puts you at L-1 regardless of reasons? Do you think that is an efficient use of your vote to catch scum?

[dank]

My vote may not have changed, but i'd certainly argue that the discussion i started in the last few posts has done the most to get us out of rvs. I did not and still do not want to bring CSL to L-1 quite yet, but I clearly have some suspicions in his direction. For now, i'll

unvote, vote: Lynx

[Deuxieme Octopus]

On a side note, you say it's town's motivation to get us out of the RVS. But I've seen you do little to accomplish this goal. As far as I'm concerned, Paradox and I are the only ones with actual serious votes out there.

Is your vote on CSL really that serious?? You jumped on what seemed like a very lighthearted post. His "Fos: My Bandwagon"-post seemed to me no more grave than if he had said "cmon guys im really the RVS target?" I get this vibe based on the "evil twin" comment after, followed by the "XD"

I guess this could be aided by CSL responding as to whether his threat was a legitimate one.

[Paradoxombie]

FoS: My Bandwagon

for putting me at L-2. Seriously, am I going to be a target of the RVS? I am going to vote for the person who puts me at L-1, I swear this.

Also,

FoS: RayFrost

for FoSing my Evil Twin. XD

My vote on you is not random.