Open 156 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over before 816

[ekiM]

I now have some handle on the suspicions of: DDD, Sho, and muzzz. Zazie, Kise, and Santos all need to list suspects with reasons.

Vote Count #22

ZazieR (2) - Kise, Santos
Sho Minamimoto (2) - Debonair Danny DiPietro, ekiM

4 to lynch.

[Kise]

The fook you on about, eKim? I wanted to link to show that Zazie never survives this long as a townie. At least I'm believing this is what muzzz wanted me to refer to.

Anywho, I'm carrying over my D1 suspicion since it seems to be ringing true even now.

[Kise]

That'd be Zazie & you, eKiM.

[ekiM]

The night kills were the two outed masons. Nobody else was going to be shot. Understand?

[Kise]

Well... guess who didn't read the whole thread?

I just iso'd her and didn't realize itac claimed before she announced itac & Toro were partners. In iso, it looks like she exposed them herself:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 61#1806261

Moving on, I still hold to my suspicions based on the interactions (and sometimes lack) of you two.

[Santos]

I just want to see her flip scum. Earlier in the game is enough about why I want her to die today.

[muzzz]

@Kise: exactly how many games did you look at to arrive at your "Zazie never survives this long as town" conclusion?

[ekiM]

Kise didn't read the whole thread genuinely trying to work out who is scum, he just isolation-read Zazie looking for something incriminating.

unvote; Vote Kise

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[Kise]

Well there was Large 96 where the rival scum group got her N1, then there was a recent game where she was also hit by rival scum, then there was Death Note mafia were she was killed N1 by anti-town, and last but not least there was Skywalker mafia, but she ended up being recruited instead of killed. There was an abandoned game (Open 150) where she was mafia but, obviously, she didn't die. The game stalled during the 2nd day but she was awol for the most part.. just like this game.

We've had other games together, (1 ongoing (both living ATM) and another where I was mafia and lynched her) but the moral of the story is that I never see her survive past N1 as town. I blame it on her reputation, which is most times healthy for town when she's town.

eKiM is making a big deal out of what should be viewed as meta, so he's only strengthening my view on the two of them being mafia. Besides that, I was on FrankiePeanuts {Zazie} & eKiM D1 so I naturally iso'd them both when I returned.

Limited Access for the next 2 days.

[ekiM]

Your "why is Zazie still alive" argument makes no sense whatsoever. We had two outed masons on D1. They were inevitably the first two NKs. The scum have had no discretionary kills so far this game. I'm baffled as to what part of this you don't understand.

Your argument assumes that if Zazie is town scum would have chosen to kill her over outed masons. That's absurd.

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There is nothing wrong with iso-reading players you suspect. What there is a problem with is not reading the thread enough to even know how the mason-outing went down. There's a problem with reverting to your suspicions from the very start of the game because you can't be bothered to take anything that's happened since then into account. You're blatantly not interested in actually analyzing this game; figuring out what's going on; or objective scumhunting. This is scummy as hell.

[Kise]

There is nothing wrong with iso-reading players you suspect. What there is a problem with is not reading the thread enough to even know how the mason-outing went down.

Alright... when I come back, I'll do more than give the thread a once-over. Just saying though, that based on how you two have referenced each other throughout the game (in iso), I get that feeling.

[muzzz]

Your four "references" for "Zazie never lives this long as town" include two in which she was scum, and one in which she became scum. Even if I count that death scene you're not allowed to post, this is incredibly weak.

You're basing "never" on one or two games. Topped of by assuming anybody would leave a mason alive. And the icing on this cake is you holding on to a vote that's based on something that

never even happened!

Vote: Kise

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD, what points are those?

See my ISO 34 for most of them.

Agree with Mike and Muazz about Kise's terrible arguments.

[Alduskkel]

Limited Access for the next 2 days.

Noted.

[Sho Minamimoto]

I don't think Kise' arguments are terrible, just sittuational. I have to run at the moment, but I will look at your iso DDD tomorrow.

[ekiM]

Mod: Maybe it's time to look for a replacement for Zazie?

Sho, what do you mean Kise's arguments are situational? Are they valid in the situation which is this game? Which are ok which are not?

[Alduskkel]

Mod: Maybe it's time to look for a replacement for Zazie?

Since ZazieR has indicated a desire to still play she is just being prodded.

[Santos]

eKim, are you suggesting Kise is bussing?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I don't think Kise' arguments are terrible, just sittuational. I have to run at the moment, but I will look at your iso DDD tomorrow.

They're situational in that they don't fit our situation at all maybe.

[Sho Minamimoto]

That's my point. I think that his argument is valid in a different situation, but he's just remained oblivious to the fact that mafia are better off killing the confirmed masons than Zazier.

At your points: Um...okay, I really lack any means of responding well.

[muzzz]

You mean like how he was oblivious to the fact that Zazie didn't out the masons?

[ekiM]

eKim, are you suggesting Kise is bussing?

No.

[ekiM]

I see Zazie posting in other games.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I see Zazie posting in other games.

I really wish this was a scumtell, except it's just a ZazieR tell as far as I've ever seen.

[Kise]

Sorry for lack of activity. I had too many essays to turn in this past week.

Now I see why the modding queue is so long for mini normals....