Open 168- Vengeful Mafia -={Game over}=- before 844

[charter]

Yes, I do mind. Seeing as you did wonder, why did you answer?
Also, why are you thinking about voting Charter?

I didn't want a nolynch to happen before someone said "wait, stop, that's a bad idea because we might lose the vengeful kill." (It depends on how the mod interprets the rules, which I suspect were written for games without deadlines.) It was definitely possible that a well-meaning townie or two would vote for a nolynch without considering that. Add on a scum or two who sees the advantage, and we have a nolynch without much information to derive from it. Giving up whatever reaction-seeking you were doing was a sacrifice I considered acceptable.

Charter asking about the deadline within the thread twice within the space of three posts looks like it could be an attempt to seem pro-town... which would inherently deserve a page 1 semi-random vote depending on the circumstances.

Once I was asking the mod, once I was asking IAUN. Maybe charter actually wants a deadline of more than a week.

IAUN, why do you ask Hero why he isn't voting me in the same post you unvote me?

[Herodotus]

Once I was asking the mod, once I was asking IAUN.

Oh. I see that now.

[Archon]

Votecount

2 Not Voting- iamausername, 12Keyblade

1 12Keyblade- Herodotus
1 ZazieR- charter
1 charter- ZazieR

Guns trained on one another, the 'freinds' then began making excusations. "It's charter!" one cried. "What? Liar!" charter responded. "It's 12Keyblade!" 12Keyblade didn't move. "Hey, guys," one person said, "Lets just wait a little while longer, please? maybe the blizzard will lift." "This thing will never lift," another person said in despair. "We can't win."

12Keyblade remained in a frozen state since the beggining. Suddenly, a amall racoon ran into the tent, and onto 12Keyblade, looking quizically at the other four people. "lunch..." someone whispered, with all eyes trained on the racoon. "get it Keyblade!" someone whispered urgently. He remained frozen. "Damn, he's gone!" And with that, one of the 4 yelled, "get it!" the four lunged onto the racoon, and tore it into pieces, fighting over the fresh food. as the blood dribbled down their cheeks, the survivors knew that they would soon be hungry again. But they had to do something about Keyblade. he just sat there. And so they cried to Archon, who was eating his lunch to revive Keyblade. "I'll do the best I can"

12Keyblade was prodded.

[iamausername]

Not pointless. It's a way to get around inconvenient deadlines.

See, I was working on the assumption that when deadline hits, nothing would actually happen, because deadlines are pretty silly concept in this particular setup. But I guess we should get some clarification on this issue.

Mod: What actually happens if we hit the deadline?

Why hadn't you considered it?

I just hadn't. There wasn't any deeply thought out plan to my No Lynch vote, it was just "hey, it's a nightless setup, so wouldn't it be funny to vote for No Lynch?"

Your vote did seem serious. Links of past RVS votes?

All my past games are in my wiki, but I'm not exactly sure what you're hoping to find. Certainly, I have never voted for No Lynch on D1 before.

Why are you asking about Charter and not somebody else?

Well, I wanted to ask about someone who already had a vote, so that the L-1 factor would be involved, thus ruling out Hero. I also wanted to ask about someone who had actually posted, so that the person I was asking would actually have something to get a read on, thus ruling out Keyblade. No particular reason why I chose charter and not you.

Why aren't you voting for Hero?

Also, do you want to add something else to my question Hero answered?

Oh, sure. There's many special things about the Vengeful setup. A notable one for me is the fact that we start in lylo (with an extra shot, but still, it is possible to lose the game on D1); this means I am going against my long standing policy of maintaining a vote on someone at all times on D1.

It's also nightless, so a No Lynch vote would serve to do absolutely nothing (at least, I thought so until Hero pointed out the thing about the vengekills only working on D1), hence why I thought it would be funny to vote for No Lynch. I'm assuming that's why you asked, since you quoted my No Lynch vote.

IAUN, why do you ask Hero why he isn't voting me in the same post you unvote me?

I didn't unvote you, I unvoted No Lynch. I was never voting for you.

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Another special thing about the setup is the fact that the ratio of scum:town in the other players is exactly 50/50, so figuring out who is town is pretty much exactly as useful as figuring out who is scum.

Hero seems town.

[Archon]

Stop fretting about deadlines, everyone. I understand the want to know what can/will/may happen if x happens while y is spinning counter-clockwise and the moon is in partial eclipse, but at this point just play the game.

[Herodotus]

Your vote did seem serious. Links of past RVS votes?

Supposing that IAUN was serious, what do you think was the purpose of the vote?

[charter]

IAUN, why do you ask Hero why he isn't voting me in the same post you unvote me?

I didn't unvote you, I unvoted No Lynch. I was never voting for you.

Doh, stupid me.

unvote, vote IAUN

because I don't like how he's buddied up to Hero. Why is Hero town?

12Key, who are you most suspicious of?
Zaz, who are you most suspicious of?

[12Keyblade]

@Mod: when you said votes need to be large size, does that mean none of the votes so far have counted?

like:

Code: Select all

[size=18][b]large bold text[/b][/size]

I have to run, but

vote 12Keyblade

I think his claim is a fakeclaim. Obv scum.

LOL What claim?

I can fluctuate my rules based on my mood. And, right now, I'm seeing that it will be too much of a hassle for you guys to make the text large.

Sorry for the inconvenience. All votes will be counted, and just vote with the regular bold.

Also, I put the deadline at such a close time so that this game will move at a quick pace. With 5 people, this game could slow down easily. if I deem it neccesary (which I probably will) I will change it.

Holy fucking short deadline!

Not pointless. It's a way to get around inconvenient deadlines.

I was in fact thinking about voting for Charter. I'm not sure whether it's a good idea to place a second vote during the random stage in a vengeful game, though. If he's town, a scum can quickhammer. Even though that semi-outs one of the scum, the town has bad odds looking for the other one in 3 player lylo. The wiki gives the town good odds of winning if a scum is lynched day 1, and I'm not sure yet that Charter is necessarily scum.

L-2 is bad this early.

Votecount

2 Not Voting- iamausername, 12Keyblade

1 12Keyblade- Herodotus
1 ZazieR- charter
1 charter- ZazieR

Guns trained on one another, the 'freinds' then began making excusations. "It's charter!" one cried. "What? Liar!" charter responded. "It's 12Keyblade!" 12Keyblade didn't move. "Hey, guys," one person said, "Lets just wait a little while longer, please? maybe the blizzard will lift." "This thing will never lift," another person said in despair. "We can't win."

12Keyblade remained in a frozen state since the beggining. Suddenly, a amall racoon ran into the tent, and onto 12Keyblade, looking quizically at the other four people. "lunch..." someone whispered, with all eyes trained on the racoon. "get it Keyblade!" someone whispered urgently. He remained frozen. "Damn, he's gone!" And with that, one of the 4 yelled, "get it!" the four lunged onto the racoon, and tore it into pieces, fighting over the fresh food. as the blood dribbled down their cheeks, the survivors knew that they would soon be hungry again. But they had to do something about Keyblade. he just sat there. And so they cried to Archon, who was eating his lunch to revive Keyblade. "I'll do the best I can"

12Keyblade was prodded.

Best. Mod. Ever. Prod scenes FTW!

IAUN, why do you ask Hero why he isn't voting me in the same post you unvote me?

I didn't unvote you, I unvoted No Lynch. I was never voting for you.

Doh, stupid me.

unvote, vote IAUN

because I don't like how he's buddied up to Hero. Why is Hero town?

12Key, who are you most suspicious of?
Zaz, who are you most suspicious of?

Username, due to his vote for no lynch. An experienced, competent player should know how to play vengeful mafia.

[Archon]

Due to bad activity of the players, *glances at Keyblade* The deadline has been extended by two weeks.

Please post, or I will shorten it back down again

[Herodotus]

LOL What claim?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 72#1848572

L-2 is bad this early.

One vote is bad this early? Why?
Are you suspicious of some or all of the people who have voted because of that?

Best. Mod. Ever. Prod scenes FTW!

That was pretty cool.

@Mod: requesting a prod for ZazieR.

[Archon]

Prodding Zazie

[12Keyblade]

Due to bad activity of the players, *glances at Keyblade* The deadline has been extended by two weeks.

Please post, or I will shorten it back down again

*glances back, explains about 2 AP and 2 Honors classes*

L-2 is bad this early.

One vote is bad this early? Why?
Are you suspicious of some or all of the people who have voted because of that?

@Mod: requesting a prod for ZazieR.

Sorry, L-1. My bad.

[iamausername]

unvote, vote IAUN

because I don't like how he's buddied up to Hero. Why is Hero town?

Gut, and pointing out the danger of my No Lynch vote was good pro-town thinking. Do you disagree with my read?

Username, due to his vote for no lynch. An experienced, competent player should know how to play vengeful mafia.

Why is it scummy? What's the scum motivation for me to pretend I don't know how to play, if that's what you're accusing me of?

I'm calling it as Keyblade/Zazie. What do you think, Hero?

[Herodotus]

I'm calling it as Keyblade/Zazie. What do you think, Hero?

I'll wait and share after Zazie gets back.

[ZazieR]

Yes, I do mind. Seeing as you did wonder, why did you answer?
Also, why are you thinking about voting Charter?

I didn't want a nolynch to happen before someone said "wait, stop, that's a bad idea because we might lose the vengeful kill." (It depends on how the mod interprets the rules, which I suspect were written for games without deadlines.) It was definitely possible that a well-meaning townie or two would vote for a nolynch without considering that. Add on a scum or two who sees the advantage, and we have a nolynch without much information to derive from it. Giving up whatever reaction-seeking you were doing was a sacrifice I considered acceptable.

I didn't vote no-lynch and even asked Iam about it. You knew about it. So in your case, you'd have known that there would only be 3 players left to vote for a No-lynch. If you had also paid attention, you'd have seen that Charter also knows the rules of Vengeful. So the chance that there would have been a no-lynch is very small. Not liking your reason for telling.
Also, if you were afraid of a no-lynch, while knowing that it depends on the mod if he allows it and what rules are for it, why didn't you ask the mod what he'd do if there would be a no-lynch?

Charter asking about the deadline within the thread twice within the space of three posts looks like it could be an attempt to seem pro-town... which would inherently deserve a page 1 semi-random vote depending on the circumstances

Semi-random is better than a random vote. Do you agree or disagree? Why? And if you agree, why no vote change?

[ZazieR]

I just hadn't. There wasn't any deeply thought out plan to my No Lynch vote, it was just "hey, it's a nightless setup, so wouldn't it be funny to vote for No Lynch?"

Oh, sure. There's many special things about the Vengeful setup. A notable one for me is the fact that we start in lylo (with an extra shot, but still, it is possible to lose the game on D1); this means I am going against my long standing policy of maintaining a vote on someone at all times on D1.

Noted. Needs to be looked into.

Why aren't you voting for Hero?

Because I wanted to see his response first.
Why are you asking about him?

[ZazieR]

Your vote did seem serious. Links of past RVS votes?

Supposing that IAUN was serious, what do you think was the purpose of the vote?

Dunno.

[ZazieR]

Zaz, who are you most suspicious of?

Right now, Hero.

[ZazieR]

Keyblade

Anything to add?

[ZazieR]

unvote, vote IAUN

because I don't like how he's buddied up to Hero. Why is Hero town?

Gut, and pointing out the danger of my No Lynch vote was good pro-town thinking. Do you disagree with my read?

I'm calling it as Keyblade/Zazie. What do you think, Hero?

This is fake-scumhunting.
Saying Hero/Iam now.

Vote Hero

Will have to look at what I've noted down to see if I keep this vote.

[Herodotus]

Semi-random is better than a random vote. Do you agree or disagree? Why? And if you agree, why no vote change?

See post 21 for why I didn't change at the time.

Why aren't you voting for Hero?

Because I wanted to see his response first.
Why are you asking about him?

Which response, or to what?

Zaz, who are you most suspicious of?

Right now, Hero.

Uh, why? It looks like your suspicions are based on:
1) IAUN calling me town
2) My suggestion that a nolynch might be bad

On point (1,) I can understand Charter's reason to consider it a scumtell on IAUN, as he might be buddying up to a townie. But the fact that he said it doesn't indicate anything about my alignment.
On point (2,) it may have been unlikely that more people would vote for a nolynch, but not impossible. Charter may "know the rules," but he might assume the rules allow a vengeful kill whenever the first lynch is on a townie. I think I answered this point well enough in post 24. As for not asking the mod, the rules were already there. It didn't occur to me that he do things differently. And given post 29, I don't want to ask. (I also don't think it will be an issue.)

[Herodotus]

L-2 is bad this early.

One vote is bad this early? Why?
Are you suspicious of some or all of the people who have voted because of that?

@Mod: requesting a prod for ZazieR.

Sorry, L-1. My bad.

Okay, let's fix it and put it in context:

Not pointless. It's a way to get around inconvenient deadlines.

I was in fact thinking about voting for Charter. I'm not sure whether it's a good idea to place a second vote during the random stage in a vengeful game, though. If he's town, a scum can quickhammer. Even though that semi-outs one of the scum, the town has bad odds looking for the other one in 3 player lylo. The wiki gives the town good odds of winning if a scum is lynched day 1, and I'm not sure yet that Charter is necessarily scum.

L-1 is bad this early.

What is your point? Just agreeing with me?

[ZazieR]

Why aren't you voting for Hero?

Because I wanted to see his response first.
Why are you asking about him?

Which response, or to what?

Towards my first few posts.

Zaz, who are you most suspicious of?

Right now, Hero.

Uh, why? It looks like your suspicions are based on:
1) IAUN calling me town
2) My suggestion that a nolynch might be bad

On point (1,) I can understand Charter's reason to consider it a scumtell on IAUN, as he might be buddying up to a townie. But the fact that he said it doesn't indicate anything about my alignment.
On point (2,) it may have been unlikely that more people would vote for a nolynch, but not impossible. Charter may "know the rules," but he might assume the rules allow a vengeful kill whenever the first lynch is on a townie. I think I answered this point well enough in post 24. As for not asking the mod, the rules were already there. It didn't occur to me that he do things differently. And given post 29, I don't want to ask. (I also don't think it will be an issue.)

Point 1 is not a reason. Over-all feeling and your 'warning' are.
And checking again what happened when Iam voted no-lynch, it seems that Charter also posted after him and before your 'warning'. Making it three players who choose not to vote for a no-lynch. So your 'reason' is invalid.
Also, post 24:

I didn't want a nolynch to happen before someone said "wait, stop, that's a bad idea because we might lose the vengeful kill." (

It depends on how the mod interprets the rules

, which I suspect were written for games without deadlines.) It was definitely possible that a well-meaning townie or two would vote for a nolynch without considering that. Add on a scum or two who sees the advantage, and we have a nolynch without much information to derive from it. Giving up whatever reaction-seeking you were doing was a sacrifice I considered acceptable.

So you did know that the mod could do things differently.
Also, the following activates my gut a lot:

On point (1,) I can understand Charter's reason to consider it a scumtell on IAUN, as he might be buddying up to a townie. But the fact that he said it doesn't indicate anything about my alignment.

[ZazieR]

Happy B-day Keyblade ^.^
Please post.

[iamausername]

I'm calling it as Keyblade/Zazie. What do you think, Hero?

I'll wait and share after Zazie gets back.

Zazie's back. Do share.

unvote, vote IAUN

because I don't like how he's buddied up to Hero. Why is Hero town?

Gut, and pointing out the danger of my No Lynch vote was good pro-town thinking. Do you disagree with my read?

I'm calling it as Keyblade/Zazie. What do you think, Hero?

This is fake-scumhunting.

What makes you come to this conclusion?