Mini 829 - Internal Struggle Mafia (Over)

[alexhans]

Chapter 3: Amnesia.

After a fresh and sweet dream that you can't remember you wake up feeling so much better.

You don't know what happened.

It seems as if you had been sedated or something.

All you need to know is that we're doing good.

If this is the price to pay. We will pay it gladly.

jasonT1981 , mafia ninja was eliminated N2

RedCoyote, Vanilla Townie was eliminated N2

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

I was away from civilization for a while.

[ryan2754]

Damn, I'm good. I vigged Jason, clearly for the reasoning that Toro showed up at Town.

What is a ninja?

[alexhans]

A ninja can't be tracked nor watched.

[ryan2754]

This makes me think we have a watcher/tracker (ha, good reasoning).
Either way, it actually surprises me they killed RC. Again, maybe that's me, considering I never get a good read on RC in any of my games.

[hiphop]

@Ryan How? Two scum in a row, yet we (as in the town) can't get a scum lynched.

[ryan2754]

What do you mean, "How"?


I already explained my N1 Choice.

N2 seems pretty obvious. I foreshadowed it by saying that I doubt that myself, Toro, Don, and Jason are all town PRs. When Toro was revealed as town, I vigged Jason. I even remember saying "The both of them in particular aren't two town PRs."

I guarantee NOONE (scum included) would CC me at all right now. I also guarantee noone is going to CC my kill of Jason. Because well, it would be the death of them, in both cases.

Vote: hiphop

I would not as all be surprised if he was final scum. Not to mention your asking of "how" seems pretty weird.

[ryan2754]

EBWOP: Also, "how" is a stupid question. I claimed the N1 kill, and noone CC'd. It seems I am the only non mafia player with the ability of a NK (based on two night actions). Thus, the how seems pretty evident. If there are two kills, then I most likely killed the "non-town" player.

[hiphop]

The how did not mean how did you do it. I believed you did the NK. My question is how did you manage to pick two scum out of all the players here, especially in the first two nights? And you answered that in your above post.

Interesting how if Toro was scum, the town would of attacked me, but because Toro is not scum, Ryan attacks me.

@Ryan-What about Don, do you believe he is a PR?

[ryan2754]

The how did not mean how did you do it. I believed you did the NK. My question is how did you manage to pick two scum out of all the players here, especially in the first two nights? And you answered that in your above post.

Interesting how if Toro was scum, the town would of attacked me, but because Toro is not scum, Ryan attacks me.

@Ryan-What about Don, do you believe he is a PR?

Given what has occurred, with Toro being a town RB, and Jason being a Ninja, I think we DO have a third PR, and seeing as Don is the only one that claimed it, I think he may be it. I think save myself and toro, there is only one mroe town PR, since we got a mafia goon.

To be honest, if we have a ninja, we most likely have a town watcher/tracker. Which means, if someone is able to CC Don's generic PR claim saying they are town watcher/tracker, I feel it would be safe to say that Don is lying.

[don_johnson]

if ryan is not vig, then he is most likely sk. i would be fine if scum counterclaimed the killing. it would be in their benefit to lynch sk as sk's are usually unightkillable. occam's razor points to a two person scum team and an sk. without the roleblocker active the scum kill would most likely have gone through making it appear we still have two killing factions. i am fine with a hip-hop lynch, but the fact that this game is still going on raises suspicion of ryan who i had yesterday as town.

need more input from others, though, if there is another scum then they could easily be lurking.

[Zachrulez]

The how did not mean how did you do it. I believed you did the NK. My question is how did you manage to pick two scum out of all the players here, especially in the first two nights? And you answered that in your above post.

Interesting how if Toro was scum, the town would of attacked me, but because Toro is not scum, Ryan attacks me.

@Ryan-What about Don, do you believe he is a PR?

Given what has occurred, with Toro being a town RB, and Jason being a Ninja, I think we DO have a third PR, and seeing as Don is the only one that claimed it, I think he may be it. I think save myself and toro, there is only one mroe town PR, since we got a mafia goon.

To be honest, if we have a ninja, we most likely have a town watcher/tracker. Which means, if someone is able to CC Don's generic PR claim saying they are town watcher/tracker, I feel it would be safe to say that Don is lying.

Now see, this is interesting.

... However, I have reason to believe that Don is not scum.

[don_johnson]

ebwop:

a) i am not a watcher/tracker.

b) i have been in several games where power roles didn't add up, so saying we "must" have a watcher/tracker would be fallacious. noting that ryan did not in fact say "must", but my point should be taken into account.

[Zachrulez]

ebwop:

a) i am not a watcher/tracker.

b) i have been in several games where power roles didn't add up, so saying we "must" have a watcher/tracker would be fallacious. noting that ryan did not in fact say "must", but my point should be taken into account.

He does happen to be right in this instance. Town does have a watcher.

[don_johnson]

fair enough. i suppose this has to do with your opinion of me?

[Zachrulez]

fair enough. i suppose this has to do with your opinion of me?

Yeah. It does.

[DTMaster]

@Don

1.How is it simpler to have an SK and a 2 man scum team then a traditional 3 man scum team? I may not have a lot of experience but it seems too early to judge that there is a SK in the lot.

From the day 1 and day 2 night results it looks more like 1 mafia faction unless both scum players cross killed the same protective role or they hit a bullet proof person.

Based on ryan's claim the 2 kills look like the result of mafia and vig. I would think if ryan false claimed we can deal with this tomorrow before lylo.

2. You have a point on watcher/tracker debate. It is too early to assume this.

3. Don you said:

the helpfulness of my night action results depend on the flip, so i will try to post in twilight.

Did you get anything in the night to help us?

@Zach
"face palm"
I assume you have results to bring to the table then?

@Hiphop
Usually you don't question how someone nails scum two days in a roll. >>;.

@Town
I find it odd that scum didn't hit the vig. At this point it's all WIFOM speculation so I won't say much but it might be good to do a RC iso analysis if he hit the nail somewhere.

[Zachrulez]

I could reveal what I know, but what if I said it was likely to fully out Don's role? Would you still want my results?

[ryan2754]

So because I nailed another scum, Don, you now think I am NOT town now?

[Paradoxombie]

I don't care if ryan is scum or town, we would be wise to kill him.

Ironically I think he becomes more dangerous with each scum he kills. It means he's more likely to hit town tonight. Ryan, would you hold your kill tonight, on pain of death?

[DTMaster]

@Zach
Unless you were outing scum, I'll leave that to Don's discretion then mine. But since you haven't done that I'll assume you are both confirmed townies. Ryan gets a protownie spot too.

Who's left is ice/Shrine, DTM hiphop, parodoxime if you assume the above conditions to shoot for scum.

[DTMaster]

@Pardox

If worst case scenario happens we would lose 3 townies out of 7. That's 4 people left and we would be in lylo.

The best bet for us is to

not lynch Ryan but for him to no kill tonight

if you want to avoid this.

[Paradoxombie]

@Pardox

If worst case scenario happens we would lose 3 townies out of 7. That's 4 people left and we would be in lylo.

The best bet for us is to

not lynch Ryan but for him to no kill tonight

if you want to avoid this.

Like I said, I'd be willing to do that on the condition we vow to kill him if he disobeys.

Does anyone else think a massclaim might be a good idea?

[ryan2754]

I think I have done my job with regards to the vigilante. Having an extra round of voting instead of possibly going into lylo next round is a lot better.

I fully intend on withholding my kill, as much as it pains me to want to get 3of3 in one game.

I think a massclaim should be in hand as well.

[alexhans]

I've been having some connection problems but they should be sorted out soon.

Note the correction: 7 Alive. 4 to lynch.

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Those in danger of suppression #30:

hiphop(1)

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ryan2754

Not Voting (6)

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don_johnson, Paradoxombie, hiphop, icemanE, DTMaster, Zachrulez

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

[don_johnson]

Like I said, I'd be willing to do that on the condition we vow to kill him if he disobeys.

Does anyone else think a massclaim might be a good idea?

a) how would we know if he disobeys? he could be sk.

b) no need to massclaim, but i won't oppose it. we are ahead of the curve right now. mass claim is better reserved for times when town has nothing to go on.

ryan: i want to believe you are town. in fact, you were the only one i felt sure was town going into night phase, but i cannot ignore the possibility that you are a clever sk, and i wouldn't be doing my job if i did ignore it.

imo possible set-ups:

1) 3 player scum team, nine townies
2) 3 scum, 1 sk, eight townies
3) 2 scum, 1 sk, nine townies
4) 4 scum?, eight townies
5) 2 scum, 2 other scum, 8 townies.

set-ups 2,4, and 5 are less likely, but i have seen plenty of games with set-up 3 and 1 to not bat an eye at the possibility. rethiking and i would be less opposed to a massclaim now, but if we do claim we need to have a strategy going into night and unfortunately, scum will be privvy to that strategy. a no-lynch should also be an option here, that is, we could just let ryan pick off hiphop at night. i certainly agree he is one of the most suspicious.