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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:35 am

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Manzcar wrote:Sam you have the habit of throwing out accusations wihout why you suspect them.
What makes you think Sudai is a good suspect?
Manzcar, I know I do that. I've done that in virtually every game I've ever played with this account as well as my other account (Quagmire).

Sudai is suspicious because he drifted through yesterday without saying much and hopped on the lego bandwagon when it became painstakingly obvious that he was the lynch candidate for today.
Sam your case on itvac was weak at best. It mostly centered around that he was attacking Lego who is known scum and his inability to aritculate simply. You didn't even give reasons for why he was scummy until pressed at the end of the day. And even then some of the reasons you gave were things said after you made the "your scummy" comment. Ivac made a comment that you were trying to get the attention off of you and put on him. You retorted that yes that is what happened but at the time there was no real attention on either of you, but itvac was putting all kinds of pressure on Lego and attention was falling on him directly. Your comment on him being scum pulled all attention off of Lego and put it on itvac who had a mini melt down and said some stuff that was taken as scummy. Mission accomplished. In fact you stayed very far away from Lego until the cop claimed a guilty on him. At that time he was doomed but when attention was thrown at you you wanted to get to the nigt as soon as possible.
Look, this case on me is totally legitimate here. I did attempt to divert attention away from lego because I didn't think he was the lynch candidate that day and I got stronger scum vibes from itacv2. I stand by that line of reasoning day one, it just turns out I was ass-backwards and totally wrong. Sometimes I read people correctly and sometimes I don't -- that's really the only defense I can give you here.
I clearly see an attempt to not throw attention on Lego. Get attention on others. You found itvac scummy on less evidence than what was out there on Lego. Sam I find you scummy
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It was more of an attempt to throw attention away from lego. I still don't think the day one case on lego was totally legit... I thought it was just as plausible that lego, during day one, could have been a newbie town not necessarily knowing how to play other than a scumbag. That's why my read on him was neutral; I didn't have a good enough read on him to be convinced either way.

In any case though this is a fair case on me, and I can't really come up with any other defense than what I've said already and that's also not WIFOM.
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:54 am

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Mod please prod everyone but Sam and me


comeon people we are over a week into the day and we have at most one or so posts from everyone. What are peoples thoughts suspects? What do you guys think of Sam agreeing that my case on him is valid?

We need discussion!!
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:57 am

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Like I said before, I'm busy with school but I found sometime to post now.

I was trusting Vaya as he posted his theory and cop claimed, and specially now that it was confirmed to be trusted. As such, I decided to go with what he had previously said (and Manzcar says) of
Voting Sam.
It's strange that he thinks there's a 'valid case' against him. No citizen should think there are valid cases agaisnt them.
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:05 pm

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sam.sahmhorn (2) - Manzcar, Evil Sonidow

not voting: sam.samhorn, atma, Sudai



3 to lynch

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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:15 pm

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Well, while I do think some of sam's answers are scummy, I'm still not confident he is mafia. Evil Sonidow seems scummy because of his following Manzcar and Vaya without adding any content or reasons of his own.

Since we do have a mislynch, I'm trying to decide if I should hammer sam or try to lead a case against someone else. I think Evil Sonidow, sam, and Sudai all are scummy in some way, just I'm trying to figure out which would be mafia, or which is most scummy, etc.

We don't need to rush a hammer yet anyway right?
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:59 pm

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No we have plenty of time. Evil what do you think of the allocations against you?
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:48 am

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Evil Sonidow wrote:Like I said before, I'm busy with school but I found sometime to post now.

I was trusting Vaya as he posted his theory and cop claimed, and specially now that it was confirmed to be trusted. As such, I decided to go with what he had previously said (and Manzcar says) of
Voting Sam.
It's strange that he thinks there's a 'valid case' against him. No citizen should think there are valid cases agaisnt them.
You're a good idea for a lynch tomorrow, if I'm lynched.

My top suspect is still Sudai... although I suspect I'm not going to last through the end of this day.
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:28 am

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Well, while I do think some of sam's answers are scummy, I'm still not confident he is mafia. Evil Sonidow seems scummy because of his following Manzcar and Vaya without adding any content or reasons of his own.

Since we do have a mislynch, I'm trying to decide if I should hammer sam or try to lead a case against someone else. I think Evil Sonidow, sam, and Sudai all are scummy in some way, just I'm trying to figure out which would be mafia, or which is most scummy, etc.

We don't need to rush a hammer yet anyway right?
No need to rush hammer, we still have a lot to discuss. I don't think I'm looking scummy, I believe that's more like bad gaming (since I am a bad player, being my first game {and comparing my posts to others}).
No we have plenty of time. Evil what do you think of the allocations against you?
Like I said before, it's bad gaming on my part, and my efforts to prove it have been useless. I'd rather not mislynch today, so feel free to question my actions as I want to prove to you I'm town and help us find the right person.
You're a good idea for a lynch tomorrow, if I'm lynched.
I know that, hopefully will be changed.

Something got me thinking lately, and that was Lego 'last words':
Well, the cats out of the bag. I'm a plain old Goon. Nothing more, nothing less. I would provide more information, but I feel like having a bit of suspense in a game. An actor would know that the game isn't over till' the last mafia hangs. That's all I have to say. At least my scumbuddy learned something. :lol:
Hang me if you want, there's still one left!!! :lol:
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Whoever is the other goon, it's playing really well and it's off the scumradar. I'm starting to consider that's not Sam, but rather atma/Sudai, leaning to atma (I've rechecked Sudai posts but since he's been away due to his grandfather {which btw I hope he's better} there's not much stuff to check).
So, atma, I ask you this: can you detail why Sudai is your in your suspect list? (I don't think there's much explaining why he thinks Sam/me look scummy).
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:15 pm

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Evil Sonidow wrote:
Well, while I do think some of sam's answers are scummy, I'm still not confident he is mafia. Evil Sonidow seems scummy because of his following Manzcar and Vaya without adding any content or reasons of his own.

Since we do have a mislynch, I'm trying to decide if I should hammer sam or try to lead a case against someone else. I think Evil Sonidow, sam, and Sudai all are scummy in some way, just I'm trying to figure out which would be mafia, or which is most scummy, etc.

We don't need to rush a hammer yet anyway right?
No need to rush hammer, we still have a lot to discuss. I don't think I'm looking scummy, I believe that's more like bad gaming (since I am a bad player, being my first game {and comparing my posts to others}).
No we have plenty of time. Evil what do you think of the allocations against you?
Like I said before, it's bad gaming on my part, and my efforts to prove it have been useless. I'd rather not mislynch today, so feel free to question my actions as I want to prove to you I'm town and help us find the right person.

You're a good idea for a lynch tomorrow, if I'm lynched.
I know that, hopefully will be changed.
I feel a little bit uneasy about Evil playing the whole "I'm new" card. I mean obviously a lot of us are new since this is a newbie game. It's just kind of a cop out excuse, but then again so is Sam's "This is how I always play." Not sure whether to read these as scummy or not.
Something got me thinking lately, and that was Lego 'last words':
Well, the cats out of the bag. I'm a plain old Goon. Nothing more, nothing less. I would provide more information, but I feel like having a bit of suspense in a game. An actor would know that the game isn't over till' the last mafia hangs. That's all I have to say. At least my scumbuddy learned something. :lol:
Hang me if you want, there's still one left!!! :lol:
And you'll never get him!!! :lol:
Whoever is the other goon, it's playing really well and it's off the scumradar. I'm starting to consider that's not Sam, but rather atma/Sudai, leaning to atma (I've rechecked Sudai posts but since he's been away due to his grandfather {which btw I hope he's better} there's not much stuff to check).
So, atma, I ask you this: can you detail why Sudai is your in your suspect list? (I don't think there's much explaining why he thinks Sam/me look scummy).
Hmm this is actually a good point, but it depends, did lego say that quote before or after Vaya named Sam as her main suspect? If that quote was beforehand, it doesn't help much, but if Lego said that after Vaya named dropped Sam, I might have to agree with you that it makes Sam look less like scum.

Also, in regards to my suspicion of Sudai, I mentioned it a long time ago, definitely before cop claimed, so I honestly don't remember the exact reasons why, but I will also check that and post again. I do remember that part of it was just a gut feeling about him though.
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:49 pm

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Okay, I reread the topic and checked up upon a few things.

Lego's last words were said AFTER Vaya claimed cop and said Sam was mafia. In my opinion, this makes Sam look a lot better, as Lego said we'll never catch him, implying the mafia man was not under suspicion. Also, he said his partner learned something, leading me to believe his partner is someone new and not Sam, the experienced one of the group. And I doubt legomaniac, being new himself, would think to lie about all that in order to trick us. In fact, I would wager he didn't realize he left some hints at all.


As for my suspicion towards Sudai, I will summarize what I said in earlier posts. For one, I found it strange to not just suggest a no lynch, but to suggest it based on statistics he found somewhere. Especially since he said he found itavc to be scummy, so it seemed strange he would want to no lynch.
Also, he made a point to say he thought lego was town, and then immediately posted again saying he thought was scummy, sort of as an afterthought. It seemed to me like he was covering himself to not look like he was sided one way or another too much.


Unfortunately, I haven't gathered much more from him due to his recent inactivity. Anyway, I'd like to hear what you guys think on this some more. I'm cautiously leaning more towards a Evil/Sudai lynch now.
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:16 am

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Wow things seem to be moving really slow with the thread here. I need to look over everything again but I do not lean towards anyone but Sam at this time.
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:41 pm

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Manzcar, yes the thread is slow, but I believe I addressed a few interesting points in my posts.

Manzcar, I would like to know what you think in regards to lego's last words. Do you think this is a reasonable assumption I reached or no?
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:44 pm

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I think his last words are WIFOM. If Sam is scum and lego is his scum buddy he would like nothing more than to make you think that we have the wrong guy cornered. But then we may have the wrong guy cornered and he played that angle up because he knew we were going to go after Sam today. Either way trying to decipher a dead mans last words is wifom.
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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:48 am

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I don't know how I can have any input here without looking scummy, but I will say that lego seemed like a fairly new player himself -- a sort of Charlie "Wild Card" player from Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

My top suspect is Sudai... I'm going to reread Manzcar to see if I can come up with anything as well.
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:54 pm

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I realized that Lego's words could easily be WIFOM, but as sam said, lego was obviously a new player and I'm not convinced he would think to say such wifom. Though I suppose basing the entirety of anything off of his words would be foolish. Especially because sam continues to seem scummy to me.

Though I have been having a hard time trying to find anything scummy about Manzcar, and no one seems to suspect him at all, which bothers me a tiny bit. Hmm.
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:32 am

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atma wrote:I realized that Lego's words could easily be WIFOM, but as sam said, lego was obviously a new player and I'm not convinced he would think to say such wifom. Though I suppose basing the entirety of anything off of his words would be foolish. Especially because sam continues to seem scummy to me.
See, that's why I never suspected lego of anything on day one in the first place. Everyone thought he was scummy, but I couldn't tell if he had scum motivations or was just being newish.
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:23 am

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Deadline is in just 5 days if my calculations are correct. I'm affraid this day has gone nowhere. If Sam is not scum we will be in LYLO with no real information. It will be important to all those left to do a lot of digging.
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:55 am

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Deadline is in 6 days.

Vote count hasn't changed since just up the page

I'm just going to prod everyone to remind them of the deadline to be safe.
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:19 am

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Okay so here's the thing: I am more confident in a Sudai/Evil Sonidow lynch right now than a sam lynch. However, there is nothing I could do to change the vote to Sudai since there are two votes already on sam. I wouldn't mind hammering on sam, just that I would prefer lynching one of my other suspects. Sam has been scummy though so I wouldn't be opposed to hammering him.

Sam, could you perhaps give some reasoning for your FOS on Sudai? Cause just calling names out doesn't really help your case.

And I really wish Sudai/Evil Sonidow would have said more this day, because I need to get a current read on them.

Anyway, I suppose I'll wait for a bit to see if anyone else shows up, but if you guys are ready then I can hammer whenever.
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:25 am

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Vote atma.
His sudden suspicion on Manzcar bothers me since, although I disagree with the way he applies his method, he has clearly been looking pro-town the whole time. Besides, your behavior is looking too strange for me.
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:42 am

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Evil Sonidow wrote:
Vote atma.
His sudden suspicion on Manzcar bothers me since, although I disagree with the way he applies his method, he has clearly been looking pro-town the whole time. Besides, your behavior is looking too strange for me.
Point out the place where I said I suspected Manzcar.

Oh wait, I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth, you sir, are a scumball.
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:49 am

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Any one else wanna back an Evil Sonidow lynch with me? He votes me based on a false accusation and then says I just seem strange without providing any evidence of such a claim.
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:55 pm

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atma wrote:Any one else wanna back an Evil Sonidow lynch with me? He votes me based on a false accusation and then says I just seem strange without providing any evidence of such a claim.
Yeah. Otherwise I die, and I'm a townie.
unvote, vote Evil Sonidow
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:55 pm

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atma remember if Sodinow isn't scum then I'm voting for you tomorrow.
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:36 pm

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Though I have been having a hard time trying to find anything scummy about Manzcar, and no one seems to suspect him at all, which bothers me a tiny bit
I read that as a suspicion, otherwise there's no reason to be bothered with.
You'll be doing a mistake lynching me (this is not a threat, if anyone may think that), but you'll be wasting a day. I'm keeping my vote on atma, as I believe he's scum. More like gut feeling than anything, but still.

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