/in-Vitational Game 4 (Game Over!)

[elvis_knits]

zu_faul was one iirc

Well, I see him browsing the forum. LEt's see what he has to say.

[Thesp]

Do you often see a wagon build on scum that fast?

No. Do you often see a wagon on town build that fast? Outside of lylo situations, I mean.

On this note, I rarely see

any

wagon build that fast. The last time I remember one going like that, it hit scum. (Actually, in what few quickish runups I can recall seeing, they've hit scum and not town.)

Pretending you have role info when you don't is scummy.

QFT.

Why aren't we lynching rofl again?

Because we're lynching VP Baltar. (Hopefully, though increasingly unlikely.)

[mith]

Vote Count:

8 to lynch.

Xylthixlm: 7 (charter, elvis_knits, PookyTheMagicalBear, populartajo, roflcopter, VP Baltar, Yosarian2)
VP Baltar: 6 (ekiM, iamausername, Ojanen, SerialClergyman, Thesp, Xylthixlm)
ekiM: 2 (Kmd4390, zu_Faul)

[charter]

Meh. Scum are Yos, VP Baltar, charter, and tajo. Lynch them next.

Oh, and many of the arguments against me are scummy bullshit, so take a look at who was attacking and who was defending, and how. Particularly vp vs ekim. Ekim's right there.

Charter's first post against me was chock full of bullshit too.

Little tip: town tend to think I'm ambiguous leaning town. Scum tend to think I'm incredibly scummy and an easy mislynch. It's not 100% but the pattern is there.

This is the classic 'you've caught me, but for bullshit reasons' giving up post.

[charter]

How does that point to Xyl being scum?

Because he is just giving up on his top suspect, without trying to convince anyone else that Yos is scum, to hop back on the easy target.

Charter you said then that my wagon was clearly scum-driven. You think VP is town. You've barely mentioned or suspected KMD, or Ojanen, or Tajo. Who did you have in mind when you said that? Why did you not pursue them?

I was wrong to say your wagon was scumdriven, I don't know why I was thinking it.

Could you summarise which points against me you think are valid? You haven't really commented on my play whatsoever, yet you've gone from thinking my wagon is scum driven, to me being part of your hypo-scumteam. This strikes me as odd.

Well, most of why I find you suspicious is the people I think are scum all piled on VP and are ignoring you. It makes you look suspicious but at the same time, they could just be trying to lynch VP because they think it will be easier. That's why you're only a secondary suspect.

[Xylthixlm]

Meh. Scum are Yos, VP Baltar, charter, and tajo. Lynch them next.

Oh, and many of the arguments against me are scummy bullshit, so take a look at who was attacking and who was defending, and how. Particularly vp vs ekim. Ekim's right there.

Charter's first post against me was chock full of bullshit too.

Little tip: town tend to think I'm ambiguous leaning town. Scum tend to think I'm incredibly scummy and an easy mislynch. It's not 100% but the pattern is there.

This is the classic 'you've caught me, but for bullshit reasons' giving up post.

Whatever you say. It's there for people to read after I get lynched, if I get lynched.

[Xylthixlm]

Sorry for being away for so long, I kept putting off a reread

Vote Xyl

I think him and Thesp are scum together.

Xyl is probably scum.
Answering Claus's question directed at Thesp.

This is scummy, why? I didn't answer for Thesp.

Loads of pointless posts and posts about the setup early on.

Fair enough

Waffles on the 4 scum or 5, EK or kmd debates (post 105)

I didn't waffle so much as actively discourage the 4 scum or 5 debate.

376 is distancing himself from the mislynch.

You don't know me very well, do you.

Thesp
168 is bizarre, especially saying he appreciates Claus's close reading, after Claus says he's getting scummy vibes from Thesp.
474, doesn't even care about BAB's suspicions.

Posts 405 and 406 of Claus are probably the best I've seen upon rereading. Even better is Xyl's response in 413. It definately strengthens the connection between him and Thesp.

So if one of us comes up town will you think the other is town too?

End of day one. Begin day two.

507, Where did your "I think Thesp is a good citizen" come from ZuFaul (other than left field)?
ZuFaul also hindered just about everything he could day one, which EK touched on.

524 is a good post by Ojanen

529, Xyl is totally scum.

Scummy because I was busy or scummy because I was bandwagonning?

534, Thesp has too many people he's willing to vote for, but he doesn't vote any. It looks to me like he doesn't want to pressure them or find out their alignment, just wait until a wagon forms, then try and lynch the easiest candidate.

549, Why did Xyl even make this post? He says absolutely nothing. I don't think he was being addressed either.

Your idea of "absolutely nothing" is peculiar

631, ANOTHER crappy bandwagon vote from Xyl. He just bandwagons when he can. He doesn't even try to figure out people's alignment.

Really. How many opinions on people's alignments have I given? Quite a few, I think.

673, looks like Xyl is setting himself up to vote for Ekim if it becomes convenient for him.

Apparently trying to understand the arguments is scummy.

739, A completely useless vote from Xyl.

A vote on a lurker is never a useless vote.

My scumspicions:
Xyl
Thesp
ZuFaul


I think Ekim is town. I don't understand why Ekim is being voted at all. It is clearly scumdriven. I don't like the Social wagon either, I think Yosarian's vote on it boils down to OMGUS because even if SC exaggerated his reasons for finding Yos suspicious, that's not enough to warrant a vote on him from Yos. I can comment on the other votes, but Yos's was the one I saw after I decided SC is town.

Page 31 has changed my entire perception so far. The points against VP make sense, but he has a lot of the people I find suspicious on his wagon. Now that I get to page 32, I see that I am right with my Xyl vote.

So... the reasons for the wagon is good but you won't vote for it because you don't like the wagon itself. This is a horrible excuse for staying off the wagon.

TL;DR of my scatterbrained post.
- Xyl is scum.
- Thesp is a good candidate for his buddy.

[Xylthixlm]

And the pooky vote came before the VP Baltar vote, so... Kmd, here's your wagon for analysis:

Xylthixlm: 7 (charter, roflcopter, Yosarian2, PookyTheMagicalBear, VP Baltar, populartajo, elvis_knits)

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[Xylthixlm]

Let's do BAB from day 1 too


BridgesAndBaloons: 11 (Thesp, charter, inHimshallibe, SerialClergyman, roflcopter, ekiM,

Ojanen

,

Xylthixlm

,

Kmd

, Yosarian2, elvis_knits, iamusername, VP Baltar, populartajo)

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[zu_Faul]

Everyone who said some variation on "but xyl is just playing so transparently" is town, btw.

I don't remember anyone saying that. Who are you referring to?

One of those is me, that is right. But I also said that it was only gut and that my head told me something different than my stomach.
What I have seen in the last pages though makes me really rethink my stance on Xyl. It is hard to pinpoint exactly, because my read has been weird all the time.
Also, I got so many town reads atm, there must be some scum left over.

Claim please, Xyl.

[Xylthixlm]

Meh. If you want to see how I got those ordered vote counts just do an all posts search for mith. I also had the order & post numbers of votes between vote counts but I guess those got deleted.

[Xylthixlm]

One of those is me, that is right. But I also said that it was only gut and that my head told me something different than my stomach.

This is an entirely normal townie reaction to my playstyle.

[charter]

Ironic that now that Xyl is at L-1 he wants to be helpful and sort of try and scumhunt. Too late I say.

[Xylthixlm]

Ironic that now that Xyl is at L-1 he wants to be helpful and sort of try and scumhunt. Too late I say.

Apparently asking questions and giving opinions is not scumhunting, but putting votes in order is.

Wow I never knew that. Thanks charter!

[Thesp]

Ironic that now that Xyl is at L-1 he wants to be helpful and sort of try and scumhunt. Too late I say.

And you think VP Baltar is

town?

[charter]

Ironic that now that Xyl is at L-1 he wants to be helpful and sort of try and scumhunt. Too late I say.

Apparently asking questions and giving opinions is not scumhunting, but putting votes in order is.

Wow I never knew that. Thanks charter!

Well, you just now responded to my post, which I made ten pages ago. Seems like you didn't care if I suspected you as long as you weren't about to be lynched, but now that you are, you're flailing. The putting votes in order was being useful. I said sort of scumhunting, but that was being generous probably.

VP is obviously town. He didn't wait like Xyl has done until he was under fire to start doing something, he went from zero votes to L-1 in less than a page. I noticed he looked a little panicked, but other than that, no real change in his playstyle.

[zu_Faul]

One of those is me, that is right. But I also said that it was only gut and that my head told me something different than my stomach.

This is an entirely normal townie reaction to my playstyle.

As much as I appreciate this, this is no statement about your alignment; to me it seems like it is intended as one, so I am making this clear.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm trying to figure out charter.

He ignores all the posts where I ask questions.
He ignores all the posts where I say that someone is town, or scum.
He ignores all the posts where I weigh in on an argument, or calls them "absolutely nothing" and asks why I posted.
But... when I put some votes in order, he says that I'm finally scumhunting.

What the hell?

[Xylthixlm]

One of those is me, that is right. But I also said that it was only gut and that my head told me something different than my stomach.

This is an entirely normal townie reaction to my playstyle.

As much as I appreciate this, this is no statement about your alignment; to me it seems like it is intended as one, so I am making this clear.

No. It's a statement about

your

alignment.

[Xylthixlm]

Seems like you didn't care if I suspected you as long as you weren't about to be lynched

You're absolutely right.

In your experience, who worries more about being lynched: town, or scum?

[Ojanen]

I found a computer. Limited access though for at least a week.
Good thing too. This game is totally depressing.
We re apparently close lynching the guy I m quite positive is town over the guy who is insanely scummy if one actually looks at all the dodges and turns. My scumreads plus the VP himself were the people who turned this around.
Elvis is too insane, I think my townread has gone to hell.
"VP Baltar's wagon went too fast for him to be town" is an extremely crappy argument. Motivation, people, scum and town, think, dont sheep please.
Blah.

[charter]

I'm trying to figure out charter.

He ignores all the posts where I ask questions.

Where do you ask me questions? If it's the post where you quoted my case on you from ten pages ago, I didn't read that. If you actually want answers, I'll read it and answer, but if you're just going to poo poo my answers and call me scum some more, I won't bother.

He ignores all the posts where I say that someone is town, or scum.

Pretty much. I tried asking you why you wanted to lynch certain people before, and after I played 20 questions, you gave me a load of garbage that amounted to "gut", which means nothing to me.

He ignores all the posts where I weigh in on an argument, or calls them "absolutely nothing" and asks why I posted.

I think I said one of your posts said absolutely nothing, I can explain if you want. Most of your posts dont have any explanation, and I've given up trying to find any from you, so yeah, I do.

But... when I put some votes in order, he says that I'm finally scumhunting.

Well no. You were being helpful, but still letting kmd do the scumhunting for you.

In your experience, who worries more about being lynched: town, or scum?

This is obviously scum. I don't know why you try and pull this, it just makes you look worse.

[elvis_knits]

Do you often see a wagon build on scum that fast?

No. Do you often see a wagon on town build that fast? Outside of lylo situations, I mean.

On this note, I rarely see

any

wagon build that fast. The last time I remember one going like that, it hit scum. (Actually, in what few quickish runups I can recall seeing, they've hit scum and not town.)

Which games? If I'm wrong, I'm happy to find that out.

I think that mislynch wagons usually go faster than scumlynches, even when you take into account bussing. Because I think scum would much rather vote for a town than their buddy.

[Xylthixlm]

This day certainly has been

very

interesting.

Just here at the end, we've got a bunch of people who say I'm obviously scum vs a bunch of people who say I'm obviously town.

On the other wagon, we have a bunch of people who say VP Baltar is obviously scum vs a bunch of people who say ... well, actually, I don't recall anyone saying VP Baltar is obviously town, except a couple people who think he's town because of the wagon.

Who thinks VP Baltar is obviously town?

[Xylthixlm]

I'm trying to figure out charter.

He ignores all the posts where I ask questions.

Where do you ask me questions?

I didn't say posts where I ask

you

questions. Your position is that I'm not scumhunting. I've asked questions of other people. Why are the questions I've asked of other people not scumhunting?