Battle Mafia: Game Over

[charter]

GUYS! NEW PLAN! LYNCH SPYREX NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UNVOTE, VOTE SPYREX

DO NOT QUESTION THIS. WE ARE SPEEDLYNCHING SPYREX! GOGOGOGOG

IF ANYONE VOTES FOR DTMASTER FROM NOW ON, YOU ARE SCUMMIER THAN HE IS.

[Crazy]

Good enough for me.

Unvote, Vote SpyreX

(Tajo, my suspects were DTM and Nikanor... any more than that, I'll have to reread.)

[Crazy]

Wait, charter, SpyreX is CONFIRMED scum, right? Absolutely, positively?

[charter]

@Charter: Mari was scum, but no poisoner. You threatened that people would die "just like EB" when EB was in fact alive. He died later, though. Can you explain any of this? Are you going to expand on your claim today? Or ever?

I will not explain. Do not out yourself as scum by continuing asking either. Just know that it is in your best interest to lynch Spyrex ASAP.

[BloodCovenent]

Very well,

unvote:
Vote: SpyreX

Last time this worked very well.

[BloodCovenent]

@Charter: Mari was scum, but no poisoner. You threatened that people would die "just like EB" when EB was in fact alive. He died later, though. Can you explain any of this? Are you going to expand on your claim today? Or ever?

I will not explain. Do not out yourself as scum by continuing asking either. Just know that it is in your best interest to lynch Spyrex ASAP.

I presume there is going to be some kill/poison/what not that spyre is going to do? If we don't lynch him fast enough?

[Nikanor]

Nikanor strikes me for saying some suspiciously one-dimensional things inthread, for instance--

A lyncher is the

only

explaination for your question.
His Appeal to Fear also fits this conclusion.

You bolded the wrong thing. I'll fix it for you:

Why the heck would charter say he knew Mariyta was scum if he was lying?

A lyncher is the only explaination

for your question

.
His Appeal to Fear also fits this conclusion.

Stop misrepresenting what I said, please.

In retrospect, the idea of a Town Poisoner who didn't have the sense to claim immediately and didn't have enough sense to wait for a decent target... makes little sense.

It's day two with eight people dead. It has been proven through Mariyta's flip that charter was (at least) incorrect, unless the distorter has a poisoning ability. DTM has come out at the start of day two with a claim and a self-vote.
Don't tell me you are still thinking this game makes sense?

While these are all things that charter did, this ignores that there were a lot of people at the time - myself included - who really had no problem with all of that. Nikanor didn't question any of them.

Just because everyone else took charter's claim unquestioningly doesn't mean I have to do the same. Just because you disagree with me about something looking scummy doesn't mean you yourself are scummy.

And this is a complete 180 considering 542 was one of charter's posts. If the wagon is inevitable, why wait to vote/hammer? Why express opposition in one sentence and then support in the next?

I meant that I would rather have my vote on charter than on Mariyta, but that I would hammer and end the day if required.

[craplogic]Then there's how Mariyta claimed to have Distorted Nikanor just before charter got his message.
Mariyta said she never lied. Just for kicks, I'm tempted to believe her and suggest that Nikanor did it.[/craplogic]

Craplogic is a correct term for it.
a) Mariyta claimed to have distorted CKD just before charter got his message, not Nikanor.
b) If you are inclined to believe both Mariyta and charter's claims, your second point about me being the culprit is impossible, since Mariyta claimed her distortion two days after the poisoning.

I'll post more when I get back from school late tonight.

[Crazy]

@Nik - What do you think charter is? Lyncher, scum, or misguided town?

[Nikanor]

@Nik - What do you think charter is? Lyncher, scum, or misguided town?

Seeing as how we ended up lynching scum yesterday, probably town.
I have a theory, but I'll wait until later for that.

[Crazy]

@Nik - What do you think charter is? Lyncher, scum, or misguided town?

Seeing as how we ended up lynching scum yesterday, probably town.
I have a theory, but I'll wait until later for that.

You think scum was lynched because of his investigation-whatever, or do you think it was a fluke?

[populartajo]

GUYS! NEW PLAN! LYNCH SPYREX NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UNVOTE, VOTE SPYREX

DO NOT QUESTION THIS. WE ARE SPEEDLYNCHING SPYREX! GOGOGOGOG

IF ANYONE VOTES FOR DTMASTER FROM NOW ON, YOU ARE SCUMMIER THAN HE IS.

But DTMaster is also very likely scum.

Why dont we let Spyrex to our lovely vig?

Also, why did you target Spyrex?

[charter]

GUYS! NEW PLAN! LYNCH SPYREX NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UNVOTE, VOTE SPYREX

DO NOT QUESTION THIS. WE ARE SPEEDLYNCHING SPYREX! GOGOGOGOG

IF ANYONE VOTES FOR DTMASTER FROM NOW ON, YOU ARE SCUMMIER THAN HE IS.

But DTMaster is also very likely scum.

Why dont we let Spyrex to our lovely vig?

Also, why did you target Spyrex?

You get lynched next. I was very specific when I said "DO NOT QUESTION THIS"

Absolutely no more questions will be answered. Absolutely anybody that does not immediately unvote DTMaster and

especially anybody that does not vote SpyreX in their next post will be considered scum (not joking this time).

[populartajo]

You are far from being confirmed town, charter. Remember Rocissi? Yeah, you are very likely an investigative (or something like that) role and I feel you are prob town but everybody is free to question why you did what you did.

I still say that Spyrex should be a vig target (yeah, Im talking to you badger killer). I would also like a claim in his next post.

[charter]

tajo looks a LOT like SpyreX's buddy who knows he is bulletproof or something. Yes, I remember Rocossi, and what I learned from it is, if you're a scum cop KEEP IT TO YOURSELF and just build cases on your targets to confirm yourself like that. For all I care you guys can lynch me as soon as I tell you to lynch someone and they aren't scum. Until then, lynch who I say unless someone has concrete information otherwise, and they are free to out themselves as scum as well.

[Kairyuu]

vote: SpyreX

From what I can gather, charter is an information role of some sort?

/hasn't had a chance to read yet, but has been semi-following along.

[charter]

I'd like to make this perfectly clear.

IF YOU ARE A VIG, DO NOT SHOOT SPYREX!

Clearly something bad will happen to you if you do.

[populartajo]

tajo looks a LOT like SpyreX's buddy who knows he is bulletproof or something. Yes, I remember Rocossi, and what I learned from it is, if you're a scum cop KEEP IT TO YOURSELF and just build cases on your targets to confirm yourself like that. For all I care you guys can lynch me as soon as I tell you to lynch someone and they aren't scum. Until then, lynch who I say unless someone has concrete information otherwise, and they are free to out themselves as scum as well.

But charter there could be a lot of things that could go wrong, specially in a bm game and where we also have no idea how are you getting your results. Games are lost that way. As I said, we dont win anything by speeding things. The optymal play is to vig him and dont speedlynch him specially when we know someone killed badger yesterday and we have a very likely scum in our current wagon. If that doesnt work, and I somehow am terrible unlucky and Spyrex is indeed a bulletprof or something like that, then we lynch him.

Dont get me wrong. I think you are prob town and I think Spyrex has played a very meh game for a player of his level. But we still should evaluate every piece of information.

I repeat, Spyrex next post should be a claim.

[populartajo]

I'd like to make this perfectly clear.

IF YOU ARE A VIG, DO NOT SHOOT SPYREX!

Clearly something bad will happen to you if you do.

You are not making any sense here and you are doing baseless assumptions.

Ill tell you something, I dont care about the order since I know that I dont have any information about Spyrex or whatsoever. I have no idea of the votes on each wagon but the vig can kill dtmaster and only after that we can proceed with our spyrex lynch. Deal? Or are you going to say that omg, tajo is also scum with dtmaster?

[charter]

Well, judging by how SpyreX immediately jumped on to DTMaster, and despite atrocious play by DTMaster, I don't see how he is scum. I certainly wouldn't mind him getting vigged, but we are not lynching him. I don't think scum can afford to bus anymore, because I think their numbers must be dwindling.

I'm pretty sure one of the lurkers/flakers is scum (just probabilities) but you've stepped up in to that role nicely. If we lynch someone besides SpyreX (which we're not going to do, but hypothetical) it would be you.

None of what I have said this game is a "baseless assumption". I'm not explaining anything, but there is plenty to back it up.

[populartajo]

Well, judging by how SpyreX immediately jumped on to DTMaster, and despite atrocious play by DTMaster, I don't see how he is scum. I certainly wouldn't mind him getting vigged, but we are not lynching him. I don't think scum can afford to bus anymore, because I think their numbers must be dwindling.

I can see a lot of ways in why dtmaster and spyrex can be both scum after that vote. This is the kind of assumptions you should stop making.

I'm pretty sure one of the lurkers/flakers is scum (just probabilities) but you've stepped up in to that role nicely. If we lynch someone besides SpyreX (which we're not going to do, but hypothetical) it would be you.

Yey, I think in optymal play that must mean I am scum. Or there is something else?

None of what I have said this game is a "baseless assumption". I'm not explaining anything, but there is plenty to back it up.

Lets try something nice here. Assume you are tajotown, what would be your reaction to a claim like yours?. Just try to be in my shoes for a second. You really cant blame me for being paranoid about you or try to find the best play, can you?

Charter, relax a little.

[Battle Mage]

Vote Count

DTMaster 5 (DTMaster, SpyreX, Yosarian2, Randomlunatic, Populartajo)
SpyreX 4 (Charter, Crazy, BloodCovenent, Kairyuu)
Nikanor 1 (Vi)

Not Voting (6): ZazieR, Nikanor, IH, CKD, Benmage, Cass

With 16 votes in play, 9 votes are required to lynch. If Day ended now, DTMaster would be lynched.

BM

[Battle Mage]

His self-appointment as Leader of the town was only going to be short-lived, as the decisive Charter placed himself at the forefront of proceedings. As he made his bold speech regarding the future of the Town, he was shot in the chest, and died within seconds.

Charter - Paranoid Cop, Shot, Day 2

It is still Day 2. With 15 votes in play, 8 votes are now required to lynch.

BM

[Crazy]

Ugh, now I wish charter had given us more information while he was alive.

Given that he was paranoid, it seems that Mariyta was telling the truth and it ended up being a fluke that she was scum.

I'm pretty sure charter's death nulls any case on SpyreX, but DTM and Nikanor are still scummy.

Unvote
Vote DTMaster

[curiouskarmadog]

Given that he was paranoid, it seems that Mariyta was telling the truth and it ended up being a fluke that she was scum.

Mari was lying....

==

charter's dead? Paranoid. I bet he thought he was hot shit getting two scum results back to back.

however, it should be noted that someone was scared of him...he is dead.

==

ok anyway..DTM, what the fuck? WHy again are you claiming? What was the point of that?

[DTMaster]

@School so brief comments.

@Crazy
Charter was very specific about lynching SpyreX and not viging him. I'm confused since Mariya was the redirector. Plus, even being a paranoid cop he had a good scum nose on Mari, and EB. Maybe Gieff(not sure about this one but for sure on the first two. I can't reread right now to confirm)

I wouldn't count out this information yet, paranoid cop or not.

FoS: Crazy

for discounting Charter so easily.

@Vi
Intuition is helpful, but I personally see that you need more then that to convince the town. That is where evidence comes in. Take the scenario of tubby, I personally had a bad gut feeling on the "almost lynch" but there was enough evidence to push it towards that stage. The flip confirmed my suspicions, but it still didn't change the fact that tubby got flipped regardless of gut or not.

Also I'm not asking to get quick lynched, but there is enough there to get me quick lynched. This seems odd for my play but that is how it is. Think about this as gaining information.

@CKD
Don't question the claim, I chose to do it unprovoked. You can either accept it or don't. Confirmation comes through death.

@Town
Can you clarify what the redirector does if you have any experience with them?

Also If I missed any questions can you repeat them? I'll do a reread and such once I get back from school but can you compile a list.

@Yos
Sorry since I'm at school but I'll get your response soon. I can post a partial version of it if you want to prove it's not a vapour response.