Newbie 835: Game Over

[Kirbyoshi]

/confirm, punkz

[Kirbyoshi]

Well, if Thok's ok with it, I think I'm going to get the ball rolling.

Vote: Super Mario

for not confirming. Too busy at the scum thread, maybe?

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok, that's cool. Just didn't know how you do that, because some mods let players start Day 1 as soon as they confirm, and some wait until all players confirm. I don't have a prejudice one way or the other.

[Kirbyoshi]

We start now?

I'm pretty sure when Thok says "as soon as he confirms," he means "as soon as he confirms."

Vote: Humble Poirot

My first time using random.org, ever.

[Kirbyoshi]

Then just self-vote (because you're gonna change it anyway) or reroll. Random votes are a good way to get discussion going.

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok, fine YJ: Are You Mafia?

[Kirbyoshi]

I don't have a vote that stands yet either. Does that make me scummy? Also, I re-rolled on random.org, and you came up.

Vote: Webz

[Kirbyoshi]

I said that in a game before and I got lynched

So, were you scum in that game?

[Kirbyoshi]

Kirbyoshi wrote:
AA wrote:
I said that in a game before and I got lynched


So, were you scum in that game?


Actually I was. But that wasn't the point. There was literally no evidence of me being scum. Besides jokes, which apparently are a no-no here.

So then, are you denying it's a scumtell? To me, although some things can't be called "scumtells" per se, scum will probably have the same attitude from game to game, and therefore do some of the same things. Not going to vote purely on meta, but I will

FoS: YamiJoey

.

Oh yeah, and

Unvote: Webz

because apparently, like AA said, joking is illegal in a game.

[Kirbyoshi]

Also,

To the IC:

What course of action do you think is most proper to find scum in a newbie game?

I'd be careful saying this kind of stuff,a tleast until the IC is cleared. ICs are just as likely to be scum as the rest of us.

Above post=quote fail.

[Kirbyoshi]

Are you trying to shut me up? Afraid I'll out you as scum?

[Kirbyoshi]

I don't think I was spoiling the purpose of your question at all; I didn't answer for "OP the IC", nor did my comment keep him from answering any question posed to him.

I'd let people answer before I comment on questions not posed to myself.

Thank you.

I still think this part of the post is meant to stifle me. It's not working, but it's worth noting that it seems like "Hercules" is trying to stop me from speaking my mind when I want to. Any thoughts from anyone else?

Mod Edit: Fixing quote tags

[Kirbyoshi]

@mod: I can has quote fix?

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok, I was going off of my experience in a newbie game on another site where a vet gave advice to the SK to claim, and then the person who pointed out that that's NOT what the SK is supposed to do was labeled as scummy. While there is no SK in this game, and I don't think OP would tell scum to claim, I thought the same basic principles could apply to this game. Apparently the ICs here are bound to follow the guidelines in the "Being a Good IC" article. Makes for a better game, imo

[Kirbyoshi]

"OP"=orangepenguin, btw, not Original Post (at least not in my above post).

[Kirbyoshi]

So, what you're saying is that once a question is posed, no one is supposed to post anything pertaining to that subject until the question is answered?

I don't want you to answer for others before they even post.

I wasn't answering for him, I was simply commenting on your question, and giving you some advice that I thought was good. You don't have to follow it if you don't want to.

Why don't you say so instead of just saying "it's worth noting" without explaining what conclusion you may get...?

Because I'm not 100% sure it's scummy, but it may be a secondary reason for a vote, if it comes to that.

Why do you feel the need to ask for someone elses opinion of what you read? in general?

Because I know that if everyone disagrees with me, I'm probably wrong. Also, I asked for OTHER people's thoughts, not yours. I'd appreciate it if you didn't answer questions that aren't addressed to you, thanks. (c wut ah did thar?)

[Kirbyoshi]

I don't think this is random, like OP has said.

I guess you have to take me at my word. There's nothing I can do to prove it.

You have nothing of evidence against HP, but you still call him out as scum,

You're right, this was completely useless and unneeded. My mistake.

The "any thoughts from anyone else" is asking for a wagon,

I wasn't asking for a wagon. If I wanted a wagon, I would have voted for HP. Simply wanted verification on what I was saying, as I stated before. Since it seems everyone DOES disagree, I'll back off of HP.

Say what you think, even if it sounds "scummy", be firm of what you think,

This game is a perfect example of why you SHOULDN'T do that. I said what I thought, and was firm about it, and got like 3 or 4 votes placed on me because of it.

OK, so now for who my top suspect is so far (subject to change, terms and conditions apply):

Whilst I feel that Kirbyoshi has been fairly aggressive, I don't feel him to be directly scummy. The deflection on top of that does seem a little off.

This seems like a soft push, and...

If I had a Cop role, I'd be flipping a coin between Kirbyoshi and orangepenguin right now.

You're case against op is kind of weak. Like you just picked out someone and made a half-hearted case against him. Or like you pointed him out because he didn't vote for me, who was being mini-wagoned at the time.

So, I forget who asked for everyones top suspicion, but mine is Yami. Since my opinion is that non-voting is useless, I will

Vote: YamiJoey

[Kirbyoshi]

@mod: I am voting for YamiJoey

[Kirbyoshi]

The crime that Kirb and AA committed was starting a trend. When Devotress saw 2 people doing one thing, she assumed that that was the norm, and followed suit.

Uh, from what I've seen, it is the norm. RVS starts discussion, which is always good, unlike what this post seems to indicate:

You guys post too much

Now, I know this was probably a joke, but still, imo, there's really no such thing as "posting too much," for the same reason as that there is no such thing as being "too townie."

OK; that is a good point. I simply thought "Mafia Vs Mafia is good Mafia play" and didn't really think "Even if it gets them killed."

But to be fair; throwing a fellow Mafia under the bus with evidence all from the thread could easily pay off in the long run. Start the case on the first day, but just give suspicion, then it's No Lynch or mislynch, (say no lynch to make it more Town bias) [6-2] possibly get a mislynch the second day [4-2] then they know they'll get no mislynch so they throw their partner under the bus to avoid suspicion. [3-1] and then Town lynches someone associated with them and loses [1-1].

You seem to be giving alot of advice to scum. Why? That's at least the second or third time you've said something that scum "would" or "should" be doing. My vote is already on you, btw, just so no one points out that "OMG you gave suspicion and didn't vote!"

[Kirbyoshi]

YJ, even if you're right, and the discussion about RVS is exhausted pertaining to this game, I still don't want to cap it, simply because I think it's a good metagaming discussion, seeing that we seem to have a good balance of people who agree with RVS, and people who are against it.

Sorry for being hard to read? o.O

If this was meant as being unsure if you should be sorry for being hard to read, you should be. Being hard to read is anti-town, because if we can't "clear" you, we're not sure of your alignment.

[Kirbyoshi]

@mod: if twilight talking is not allowed, please delete this post.

Wow, YJ. I personally think you're smarter than you make yourself out to be, because it seems like you're trying to act n00by. Your previous post is a perfect example of that. Once the hammer is dropped (which is what you just did), there is no more voting or unvoting. By now, the lynch is decided, and you're looking scummier than ever by hammering.

The reason I didn't vote AA is that, while every case against him is valid (I guess), my instincts tell me he isn't scum. It just doesn't feel right to me.

And also, my thing with HP was really a difference of strategy. I saw it as that he was leaning on the IC right out of the gate. I think HP is a smarter player than that, but now I don't think that's what he was doing. I never said HP was scum/scummy in any of my posts. The threat to vote him was a little extreme, and I'm sorry for that, but my intention was never to call him scummy.

[Kirbyoshi]

Please realize I never said I was suspicious of AA. If I were scum, I would jump on the bandwagon at some point, to lynch a townie, which is scum's main objective (Post 164). I'm honestly kind of disappointed that I'm coming under fire for being the first one to be suspicious of YJ. My vote was the only one on him yesterDay. I think I said before, the hammer is probably not just a newbie mistake. So, just like yesterDay, but with at least some support now...

Vote: YamiJoey

[Kirbyoshi]

Yabba: That was more a facetious comment (the one about me being the first one to vote him, not necessarily the first to show suspicion of him, I mis-spoke). Also, are you really only voting me because of a "new scumtell" you're experimenting with? IMO, it could turn out to be not a scumtell at all. And...

I know you didn't suspect Double A. However, a good scum tactic would be to stay off a vanilla wagon so you can say "Well it's not my fault he got lynched."

[Kirbyoshi]

Boy, that was a big mistake on my part. I thought there were 8 alive when there were only 7...my bad.

Jumping on the bandwagon isn't the Scum thing to do. The place you start after a Townie has been lynched is by looking at the FoS, HoS and Votes for that player since the game started. The more you push a Townie over the edge; the more suspicious you look.

If I remember correctly, and if the thread doesn't lie, I didn't push AA anywhere. I'll post my explanation of my WIFOM next post...

[Kirbyoshi]

Am I missing some terminology here? Just want to know if this doesn't mean "yesterday" and is a common term that I've not come across.

It is terminology, thought I don't know how common. Yesterday=IRL and YesterDay=in-game. It helps to distinguish betwixt the two.

I know you didn't suspect Double A. However, a good scum tactic would be to stay off a vanilla wagon so you can say "Well it's not my fault he got lynched."

What I meant was, that a good scum tactic might be to jump on a wagon, and then later say, "Well, if I was really scum, I would stay off to keep suspicion off of me. That's the WIFOM.

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok, so I tried to post longer responses, but IE ate my post, so...

This seems like Kirby vs HP (town) in a nutshell.

How is it OMGUS if I start the discussion?

being agressive to me, HP and YJ day one.

I don't recall being overly aggressive toward you. Maybe some post numbers would help?

discounting the STRONGEST piece of evidence in order to maintain your universal right to hammer and be a newb is suspicious.

Don't understand this. Could you please go into more detail so I can explain it?

L-2 sign for L-1. Then saying he thought that there were eight people.

I honestly had a brain fart and thought there were 8 alive. But I'm not surprised that you find it suspicious, as it's quite similar to my case against YJ.

[Kirbyoshi]

So, you could argue that you want to be allowed to hammer and play the newb card.

I don't think I ever left that as an option for me. In fact, if I hammer without reason, I fully expect every other player to jump on me, simply based on that fact.

[Kirbyoshi]

This became suspicious after a recent game I was in finished and someone else was in the same position. He claimed that he wasn't being killed because people were asking "Why aren't you dead yet.".

And did this player end up being town or scum? I ask merely for information.

[Kirbyoshi]

But if we let it slide in YJ's case partly because you think that it is a null tell, then you're not very likely to be lynched.

I never said I thought it was a null-tell. In fact, quite the opposite, it's my main reason for voting for YJ. I'd like a quote of where I said it was a nulltell, because to my knowledge, I never did.

[Kirbyoshi]

It's ok Webz, no hard feelings

[Kirbyoshi]

This is a personal preference:

Some people seem to be confusing lynching and NK-ing. No one can be lynched at Night. It would make it easier (for me at least) to make the distinction if the correct terminology is used. Thanks

YJ, are you saying Webz is scum by this?

If I just let it lie, died and then you turned out to be Mafia, I'd be left posting "I knew that. ¬_¬" and everyone'd be saying "STFU n00b!" or w/e.

Because I think Webz has been one of the most townie players so far.

And no YJ, you are at L-2, aka 2 votes.

[Kirbyoshi]

But I think that although Kirby seems more like a more experienced scum...

That's actually a good defense for me. I've never been scum, so why would I be experienced at it?

I'll

Unvote: YamiJoey

because honestly, everyone's on my scumdar (except Purple Princess, and that may be because she hasn't posted yet).

@Devotress: You seem to have been just going with the flow since the start of the game. Don't you think it's time to break out of the pack?

@orangepenguin: You're not posting many opinions, and not much of anything at all. Whether you're town or scum, we could really use your expertise in a game like this.

@YamiJoey: Don't think for a second I've forgotten about the hammer. I'm simply coming out of a tunnel.

@Webz: TownIE, but something feels off. Can't put my finger on it.

@yabbaguy: I really don't think that behavioral tell thing will hold water. It has some truth, but there's really no telling what a player's reason ofr a post is, unless it's really obvious, or you're really good.

@Purple Princess: Welcome to the game! After you collect your thoughts, please post your suspicions!

[Kirbyoshi]

What does this mean? I don't think it's just an accident, seeing as your other capitalizations haven't been random.

Caps were added for emphasis. TownIE doesn't always mean town, although I'm not adopting a "Too Townie" argument, because that's just bogus.

And I'm not even going to repsond to the rest of the post, as I can tell it was done in sarcasm.

[Kirbyoshi]

You have a strong enough case on YJ to vote, easily, and he hasn't posted anything groundbreakingly townie since you voted. I see no reason for the unvote. Having a vote on someone doesn't mean you can't be suspicious of anyone else.

Thanks for the insight. I seriously don't know why I unvoted now. I guess to put pressure on more people? But that basically took pressure off of the person who deserves it the most. Doesn't really matter why now, I guess, since I've changed my mind back.

Vote: Yamijoey

ugh...-_-;

[Kirbyoshi]

Let me just state that with this, I think I've found the scumpair, partially providing Kirby does check out to be scum as I thought he would.

I was told in my previous game that town shouldn't be looking for scumpairs until late in the game; this is only D2. Why are you, an SE, doing something that town shouldn't be doing?

FoS: yabbaguy

[Kirbyoshi]

I don't know how to explain it. The game was Newbie 818, and I think the one who called me out on it was Pablo Molinero, if anyone here has heard of him.

[Kirbyoshi]

Yes, that. Btw, Exalt ended up being scum in that game, and he was the only SE/IC in that group (and therefore probably the only one in that group who knew better).

[Kirbyoshi]

@ Kirby: These are serious questions.
1) What age are you?
2) What is your favourite subject at school/where do you work?
3) What is your favourite band?
4) What is your favourite TV show?

I'll post why after you reply.

Wtf Webz, seriously. But ok...

1) 18
2) Not sure, but I'm gonna have to say chemistry, mostly because the chemistry class I'm in is mainly for nursing students who are mostly girls (hot ones at that).
3) I'll have to think about this one...I like Skillet, but Thousand Foot Krutch is good too (and I'm recently getting into their punk-style music, where they play under the name FM Static)
4) Definitely Psych. No better show out there.

Now why in the world did you ask me those ridiculous questions?

[Kirbyoshi]

What do you think about Princess?

Don't care if this makes me seem scummier than I apparently already do, but I think she's town. Honestly, right now, you're second on my scum list Webz. I said before that something didn't feel right, and things you post are feeling worse and worse, though I still can't pinpoint it exactly. BTW, for the same reasons, could you answer those questions for me?

[Kirbyoshi]

Impulsive, much?

Mind expounding on that a little?

Webz has acted a little different since FA (who was just plain inactive, end of story) was replaced by PP (who has been posting her share since she entered the game). This is pure speculation, but on the off chance that YJ flips town, Webz and Princess would look like a very tempting scumpair, especially since this:

And I both was and wasn't the first to suspect PP of being scum.

This looks like you're "taking both sides of an issue," which is what you "accused" PP of doing, did you not?

Like I said, pure speculation, but not something to just slip through a scum-filter.

[Kirbyoshi]

EBWOP: You are also diregarding that I am now only on one vote (yours) and you are on two. Misdirection, another form of misinformation.

Huh? I'm only voting for one person...

[Kirbyoshi]

Also, if I was you, with that "dangerously close to FoSing you" comment, I would have said "If PP flips scum, then Webz looks scummy" because that makes more sense. The base of that almost-FoS was PP being scum, afterall. Sorry for being a bit sarcastic before. I should stop.

I'm sorry, were you addressing me here as well? I never said I was "dangerously close to FoSing" anyone.

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok then, sorry, I misunderstood the post. I still don't fully get it: how is me being at L-2 misdirection on my part?

Also, if you want to put me at L-1, don't hesitate.

Only scum would hammer this early in the day.

Ahem...

[Kirbyoshi]

Because you attempted to draw attention away from people voting for you and suspicion upon you...

Huh? Why would I try to draw suspicion to myself?

...by misleading people in the vote count.

I never misled anyone. Yes, I do have the most votes on me, but it's not L-1, and therefore, if the day were to end now, it would still be NL, per the rules, which if you ask me, is bad for town.
[quote="YJ]I missed an open squared-bracket out and it looks aweful.[/quote]
Your misspelling also looks

awful

.

[Kirbyoshi]

lol now it's quote fail on my part -_-;;

[Kirbyoshi]

@ Devotress, Thanks for noticing that I had replaced FA, shame that it took me voting for you to start though, but god to see that you are commiting yourself to what you post instead of, "hmmm it could be nothing, but I thought I would mention......"

That's basically what everyone said your PBPA was, PP. Hypocrisy? Yes; Scummy? We'll see, but for now...

FoS: Purple Princess

My vote stays.

[Kirbyoshi]

@yabba, 315: 'Twas not distancing; I just have yet to see Purple do anything scummier than what YJ's been doing. She just moves up to my #2 with that hypocrisy post.

[Kirbyoshi]

I was unexpectedly called away to a distant land where the interwebernetz is in a perpetual state of disrepair, i.e. home (as opposed to college, where I am now). I apologize for being away for so long.

Before the aforementioned hypocrisy, I thought Purple was being over-scummified. But maybe I'm just slower than everyone else in picking out that she's fairly likely to be scum. Calling Devotress out for what she herself was under suspicion for, without acknowledging that her own PBPA was scummy, is scummy. Does that make sense?

[Kirbyoshi]

And Kirby, I see you more clearly now. Did you see her at all scummy before she posted the post that you FoSed her about? Exactly how scummy?

Before that post, she was about as scummy as I thought FA was for lurking for so long, meaning she was in the top half of my scumlist, but not in my sights yet. Like I said, I guess I'm just slower than everyone else about her.

[Kirbyoshi]

I don't like the post either.

@ kirbyoshi, nice to see you trying to blend into the background

Why is me blending in to the background a good thing? That's something I called Devotress out on as a scumtell, so how is it a good thing I am committing one of my own cases? (Btw, to clarify, I don't see that as what I'm doing)

now that there is a bit less pressure being put on you.

Is there? Has anyone unvoted me? I ask merely for information.

I know this could be seen as OMGUS

Why are you trying to give everyone a pair of colored glasses to see your post through?

as you are now pointing the susspision towards me,

Spelling fail. Just saying.

but saying that you must just be a bit slower than everyone else is a bit of a poor answer to me.

I'm truly sorry you don't like it, but it's the only way I can think of to describe it.

[Kirbyoshi]

It's not a good thing, well not a very town thing to do anyway.

You said it's a nice thing to see, yet you think it's anti-town?

Of course there is, the attention has been drawn away from you, and with agreeing with everyone else people will find other things to vote on in time.

Attention may have been drawn away from me, but I am still tied for the lead in votes. By my estimation, that means no pressure has been taken off of me.

Just for the record I only posted that it looked omgus, because if I hadn't someone would surely point out that it was.

A town player would wait and see if someone calls it OMGUS. If they don't, then good for you, since they don't find you scummy.

[Kirbyoshi]

Simply because even if someone comes out and does hammer, and PP does turn out to be town, and we lynch and they are scum, we're still in an extremely bad position.

QFT, and this is something scum would not post, no

Unvote: YamiJoey

HoS: Purple Princess

for reasons already stated earlier, and to avoid a quick hammer.

[Kirbyoshi]

I guess I'll hold the hammer then, but I'll wait for PP's claim.

[Kirbyoshi]

@yabba, does that mean Atlanta lost?

Also, should I go ahead and hammer, or wait for the deadline?

[Kirbyoshi]

I think you're buddied with Princess, so I don't feel right answering that other question.

Fair enough, since you think I'm scummy.

Anyone

not

suspicious of me wanna answer 366?

[Kirbyoshi]

yabba, are you saying that as a dare, or as an SE? I think at this point, it may be better to wait until the deadline, since its roughly 14 hours away.

[Kirbyoshi]

I'm beocming more and more suspicious of Webz and Dev, now that OP is dead, but that could just be WIFOM. On the other hand, why would scum in a n00b game participate in that kind of WIFOM? In other words, does WIFOM apply to this particular instance? Thoughts from more experienced players?

[Kirbyoshi]

I think it's all a wifom hole.

"Why would the scum kill the person whose targeting them, it makes it too obvious they're scum"
and
"Why would the scum not kill a person voting against them, that's one less vote for them to be lynched"

These are pretty much the same thought process, and they both apply. Whether OP had been killed or not killed, his death or lack of death could be used to make Webz and myself look guilty or used to make us look innocent.

While that is true, it's unsettling that you were the one to comment on it and basically turn it into a null-tell. You're top of my scum list right now, only posting to get yourself out of trouble or to confirm others' cases, and Webz is #2, basically because you and him have been soft-buddying all game long.

[Kirbyoshi]

Wow, those are loaded questions, but I guess I've got nothing to lose by answering them in the best way I can...

What is the town thing to do, ignore it and hope it goes away?

Not exactly. The town thing to do would be to prove you are town, instead of saying "Oh, that's just WIFOM," and dismiss it as a nulltell. How could you NOT be scum from the NK?

What do you call my post before this one, where I build a fresh case on you? And my post on day one where I was the first person to accuse you of being scum?

I call it attacking the only person in this game whom I truly KNOW is town. Right now, it's tough to read anyone, you're just the most likely scum I see right now...

Well you're answering the questions I asked in this post, could you justify your actions I talked about in my last post?

Sure thing.


I wanted to see if hammering or waiting was the smartest thing to do. I had never held the hammer before, so I wanted other players' opinions. As it got closer to the deadline, I thought "Know what? Screw it, she's gonna be lynched anyway." Hence, I waited.

@Dev, if you were in that position, would you have hammered or not?

[Kirbyoshi]

I hate that question with a passion. Why direct that question at Devotress, and why does it only apply to Devotress. I don't see Devotress having much to do with orangepenguin throughout this thread, so why should she be victim to this question?

OP said he thought Dev and Webz were scumbuddies. Maybe he was right, and they killed him. I can see how his post could be missed, and therefore why Dev-Webz were not too afraid to NK him. If you'll look through the thread, you'll see that Dev and Webz actually had very little interaction, maybe Webz expressing minimal suspicion about Dev to try to dispel the "scumbuddies" argument.

Why ask the question, though? It is incredibly scummy. IMO if you have a question that seems scummy in some way, you should leave it until after the game and ask for advice about it in the summary.

How is it scummy to ask a more experienced player, whom you think is town, for advice? I don't get your reasoning there.

Want Webz to post now.

QFT

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok, I will drop it, and I suggest you do the same. If anything, it proves I'm town, because I didn't want to make an anti-town hammer.

[Kirbyoshi]

Did you know PP was Town?

No, I thought she was scum, but hammering before everyone is ready is scummy. I was looking for advice, yes, but also making sure we were ready for the lynch.

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok, so pros of a massclaim:
-We get cop investigation results
-We get possible cc's that we can lynch if we figure out which one of the conflicting claims is coming from scum.

Cons of a massclaim:
-Scum would know roles (this is pretty big, but I guess it would be alot bigger if it were earlier in the game).
-Scum could fakeclaim (pretty sure this isn't "coaching," since they would have already thought of it).

Any more pros/cons that anyone can come up with?

[Kirbyoshi]

Cop could even have scanned the Doc and know who it is.

I don't think cop would know who doc was by investigating. I think cop would only know that the doc player was town-sided, and nothing else.

LyLo is generally the time when massclaiming should enter the discussion, imo. Near the end of the game, so there's not much harm, I guess. Initially I was against a massclaim; now, idk. I suppose if we get a scum-cc, there's a 50/50 chance we make it through this Day, and then it would still be LyLo toMorrow. So, the most there can be is one more Day after toDay. I don't guess a massclaim would be all that bad.

[Kirbyoshi]

[quote=yabba]I think it's the best road to go down. Unless we're really so confident as to lynch someone... but I'm not at that level, I'm afraid.[/quote]As am I not--er, As not I am--er, Not I as am? Ahem, neither am I. Massclaim looks like probably the best road to go down as of now. Still waiting for Webz though...

[Kirbyoshi]

We're not waiting for Webz's replacement to get here?

[Kirbyoshi]

Sorry for not posting guys.

I like Y so far. It's someone taking charge (or at least trying to) and bringing some new insight into the game. He raises some interesting points about yabba, which I need to read after I get back from

V/LA until Monday.

I guess since I'll be V/LA, should I claim now, or wait until my number is rolled, then let the thread die until I come back? Oh btw...

Vote and Hammer: Dice Roll

HAH! I hammered without consulting!

[Kirbyoshi]

Yes, I am vanilla. In response to Y's 489:

D1 I was trying to decide who I thought was the scummiest. HP, Webz, Yami. I guess the towniest tell from me D1 was that I wasn't on the AA wagon. Never thought he was scum, just someone who was used to a different brand of forum mafia, which is what he ended up being.

HP being NK'ed is obv trying to pin me. By the end of D1, I had cleared all my suspicions on him.

Dev's case on me about asking before I hammer is horribly put together imo.

If I were scum, I would have hammered without anyone's consent.

I'm liking Y's active playstyle, and I find him quite a but less scummy than Webz.

At this point, I'm thinking Dev and Yabba are scummies. But my opinion is (of course) subject to change, restrictions apply.

[Kirbyoshi]

However; ending on a joke

is

a scummy tactic.

Mostly posting so I can go "See. I'm awesome." if I'm right. xD

Hypocrisy noted.

I don't think Y's doc. It just doesn't make sense to me that he would broadcast that faking vanilla if you are a PR is bad strategy, then go right against his own advice. Pretty sure we're looking at a game with no town PRs (which means if we have a RB, he/she is powerless and might as well claim now).

And yes, I'm still vanilla.

[Kirbyoshi]

Thanks for a great game overall, the advice given post-game, and to Devo and Yami, for showing how scum is to be played right

I suspected you both individually, but I guess I just couldn't lead a wagon on either of you, and never in a million years dreamed you two could have been buddies.

Yabba, why didn't you want me to hammer? Wouldn't it have been the same effect whether I was town or scum?

Y, sorry for the change in playstyle. TBH, I matured alot during this game, but not necessarily IN this game. For the more mature me, go look at Crayola Catastrophe on Coney Island

OP, I think your lurking was horrible for town. Forgiven, but please learn from it.

Yabba, I think your graphics can play a major role in gameplay. If you want to broadcast something, say it's a REALLY obvious WIFOM, you could post the graphic instead of just saying "oh, that's wifom". It has a stronger connotation, imo, which changes people's reactions to it.

And Webz, if you're reading this, replacing out during LyLo is not good either.