Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Kairyuu]

Had a brainwave. If zwet is scum then Gorrad is too 100%.

Then why are you voting zwet?

Because the causality does not work in reverse. If Gorrad is scum then zwet could be town.

DeathNote -2 (Gorrad, Knight of Cydonia)
mykonian -1 (Stephoscope)
Kairyuu -1 (zwetschenwasser)
zwetchenwasser -1 (Kairyuu)
Not Voting: mykonian, Starbuck, DeathNote, xylthixlm, Llamafluff

Mello's story?

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

It's impossible. You're claiming an impossible role. I'm also sure you're Sidoh, and pretty sure you don't have a deathnote.

[Kairyuu]

AHAHAHA! That's the last straw with you, scum.

Unvote; Vote: Kairyuu

. . . .

You unvoted me . . . so you could revote me.

Good show.

[DeathNote]

We are not cooperating well as a town right now. Too much suspicions on everyone.

[DeathNote]

It's impossible. You're claiming an impossible role. I'm also sure you're Sidoh, and pretty sure you don't have a deathnote.

It is not impossible as it is my role. I don't get why you are saying that.

[zwetschenwasser]

We are not cooperating well as a town right now. Too much suspicions on everyone.

grasping for straws, are we Sidoh?

[DeathNote]

We are not cooperating well as a town right now. Too much suspicions on everyone.

grasping for straws, are we Sidoh?

No, just stating the obvious.

[Kairyuu]

We are not cooperating well as a town right now. Too much suspicions on everyone.

"You're not lynching me like you were supposed to after my obviously screwed up claim."

That's essentially what you just said.

[DeathNote]

We are not cooperating well as a town right now. Too much suspicions on everyone.

"You're not lynching me like you were supposed to after my obviously screwed up claim."

That's essentially what you just said.

Wrong again. YOU just voted for zwet based on the fact that it would be ideal for him to be scum since Gorrad would also be scum. More then anyone else, your votes have been all over everyone.

[zwetschenwasser]

It pains me to say that Kairyuu and Deathnote are working together to screw us over, while Llamafluff is just trying to confuse us.

[Starbuck]

Vote: DeathNote

His claim reeks of scumminess. I tried to do some reading on Light's mom, and there really isn't anything related to the story. I just don't buy it.

[Kairyuu]

We are not cooperating well as a town right now. Too much suspicions on everyone.

"You're not lynching me like you were supposed to after my obviously screwed up claim."

That's essentially what you just said.

Wrong again. YOU just voted for zwet based on the fact that it would be ideal for him to be scum since Gorrad would also be scum. More then anyone else, your votes have been all over everyone.

I get erratic when I don't have solid reads. Now stop trying to get yourself lynched already. It's not gonna work.

[Kairyuu]

It pains me to say that Kairyuu and Deathnote are working together to screw us over, while Llamafluff is just trying to confuse us.

Bullshit. Where is the logic?

[DeathNote]

It pains me to say that Kairyuu and Deathnote are working together to screw us over, while Llamafluff is just trying to confuse us.

No. Kairyuu is just being difficult.

Llama is a shinigami so its his job to confuse us.

[Xylthixlm]

Had a brainwave. If zwet is scum then Gorrad is too 100%.

Then why are you voting zwet?

Because the causality does not work in reverse. If Gorrad is scum then zwet could be town.

THEN WHY ARE YOU VOTING ZWET?!

[Kairyuu]

Vote: DeathNote

His claim reeks of scumminess. I tried to do some reading on Light's mom, and there really isn't anything related to the story. I just don't buy it.

unvote
vote: Starbuck

Ok. Yeah. Deathnote is definitely Shdoh, and you're still voting him. Right. I think you might have just had the forethought to set up the double bluff.

[DeathNote]

I agree that I dislike Starbucks play right now. Her vote is because my role claim character doesn't relate to the story. Am I understanding that correctly?

[DeathNote]

Had a brainwave. If zwet is scum then Gorrad is too 100%.

Then why are you voting zwet?

Because the causality does not work in reverse. If Gorrad is scum then zwet could be town.

THEN WHY ARE YOU VOTING ZWET?!

Look, if Gorrad is scum and then there is no certainty that Zwet is also. Where as, if Zwet is scum, then Gorrad is 100% scum also.

[Kairyuu]

Had a brainwave. If zwet is scum then Gorrad is too 100%.

Then why are you voting zwet?

Because the causality does not work in reverse. If Gorrad is scum then zwet could be town.

THEN WHY ARE YOU VOTING ZWET?!

I'm not.

However, I'm not seeing where your logic comes in here. If zwet then gorrad is a true statement. If gorrad then zwet has no causal relationship. Therefore, lynching the one that will confirm the other scum on a scum-flip is the optimal play. Lynching Gorrad instead simply puts us in the same situation informationally tomorrow if he flips scum, and confirms zwet town if he flips town.

Hmm. Actually, looking at both sides, we could lynch either of them to possibly determine the alignment of the other, depending on what we're looking for. If we think they're scum, we lynch zwet to see if they are both scum. If we think they're town, we lynch gorrad. Given that it would be literally the stupidest move we could make to lynch a claimed cop in the hopes of confirming his results, lynching Gorrad to confirm zwet is out of the question.

So yeah. I don't really know what you're looking for here, but if you think I should be voting Gorrad in the situation I brought up, you haven't thought it through at all.

[Xylthixlm]

So given two players with linked alignment, you are voting the one you think is

less likely to be scum

.

Do I have that right?

[Xylthixlm]

So given two players with linked alignment, you

are

were voting the one you think is

less likely to be scum

.

Do I have that right?

EBWOP

[Kairyuu]

So given two players with linked alignment, you are voting the one you think is

less likely to be scum

.

Do I have that right?

No. You don't. I have no idea what you're trying to get at.

Also, I'm not voting either of them at the moment.

[Xylthixlm]

If zwet being scum implies Gorrad also being scum but not vice versa, then there must be more possibilities where Gorrad is scum than where zwet is scum, since every possibility where zwet is scum is also a possibility where Gorrad is scum but not vice versa. Therefore Gorrad must be more likely to be scum than zwet.

Or to look at it another way. Assume you think both zwet and Gorrad are likely scum, and want to lynch both unless one is proven town.

If you lynch zwet first...
* If zwet and Gorrad are both town, you lynch two townies.
* If zwet is town and Gorrad is scum, you lynch a townie and a scum.
* If zwet and Gorrad are both scum, you lynch two scum.

If you lynch Gorrad first...
* If zwet and Gorrad are both town, you lynch

one

townie.
* If zwet is town and Gorrad is scum, you lynch a townie and a scum.
* If zwet and Gorrade are both scum, you lynch two scum.

On the other hand, if you don't think they're both scum (you only want to lynch one of them), you should be voting the one who is more likely to be scum. Which is Gorrad.

There is no protown reason to lynch zwet over Gorrad if you really believe that zwet being scum implies Gorrad being scum.

[Xylthixlm]

Well, actually, if you think they're both scum but zwet has a death note and Gorrad doesn't, you should be voting zwet.

But it doesn't sound like that's your reasoning here.

[Kairyuu]

Your logic doesn't hold if you think zwet scum but don't have a read on Gorrad.

Gorrad doesn't factor into my reasoning unless zwet is scum. If zwet is town, then Gorrad gets left alone, because I don't have a scum read on him.

Of course, this is all hypothetical at this point, as the play for today is Starbuck.