/in-Vitational Game 4 (Game Over!)

[populartajo]

Grandpa had car accident. No access until things get better. If I take too long please replace me.

[mith]

Vote Count:

8 to lynch.

VP Baltar: 6 (ekiM, iamausername, Ojanen, SerialClergyman, Thesp, Xylthixlm)
ekiM: 5 (elvis_knits, Kmd4390, populartajo, VP Baltar, zu_Faul)
SerialClergyman: 2 (roflcopter, Yosarian2)
Xylthixlm: 1 (charter)

Not Voting: 1 (PookyTheMagicalBear)

[VP Baltar]

sorry to hear that tajo. hope everything is alright.

[iamausername]

Vote Count:

8 to lynch.

VP Baltar: 6 (ekiM, iamausername, Ojanen, SerialClergyman, Thesp, Xylthixlm)
ekiM: 5 (elvis_knits, Kmd4390, populartajo, VP Baltar, zu_Faul)

VP's not the only significant wagon here that Yos has completely ignored.

[SerialClergyman]

...am I writing my posts in Latin or something this game? It feels like everything I say this game is getting either misunderstood or misinterpreted by someone.

Noting for my eventual grand analysis of Yosarian2. Usually when

I

get that feeling it's because I'm scum and unconsciously making bullshit arguments.

So, first you attack me because you think I'm "too logical", now you're saying you think I'm "making bullshit arguments"? Don't those two things contradict each other?

If we're going to argue semantics, I didn't say you're making bullshit arguments.

/wrists at this game sometimes.

[zu_Faul]

@zu_Faul, can you be more precise in what you liked about SC's posting that lead you to unvoting?
I found your original reasons stated to be in a very dramatic and somewhat suspect form with the general accusations of lying and rolefishing etc. In comparison the unvote is vague.

Especially the well-thought attack on ekiM. In his posts I can see that sometimes I don't understand his points really well, but... it is hard to describe, it is like the more I read his posts, the townier they look.

Want to lynch:
charter, ekiM

Using too much of my patience:
Pooky

VP Baltar's wagon grew way too fast to not suspect some baleful influence (well, this is somewhat regardless of his alignment - scum would want to be on that wagon either way). The way he attacks ekiM somewhat clears VP for me (a bit like with serialclergyman). His somewhat random attacks on me don't look too much like scum either.

Charter:

Where did your "I think Thesp is a good citizen" come from ZuFaul (other than left field)?
ZuFaul also hindered just about everything he could day one, which EK touched on.

Whereas I said on SerialClergyman that his "fishing" was just icing on the cake (now I don't believe it myself anymore - I said when I found him scummy it added weight, but now it does not), here we have a very blatant case of an eager fisherman.

Yes, sure I hindered everything I could, by not finding BAB scummy >.> I can find you many quotes from Day 1 where I did not hindered something. Only my defense of BAB was pretty strong I must say. I don't repent, I would do it again.

Charter's accusations after he reread were also pretty weak. It seems like scum going to attack players who aren't in the vicinity of being lynched (esp. Thesp).
Also I had some suspicions on him on Day 1 already.

Going to look into Yos2 case on Wednesday, when I got more time, SerialClergyman.

[elvis_knits]

I think it was more than fishing. More like whaling. I wasn't going to mention it if you wanted to ignore it... but now I can!

[Thesp]

I think it was more than fishing. More like whaling. I wasn't going to mention it if you wanted to ignore it... but now I can!

Why is it everyone beats me to what I want to say?

[elvis_knits]

Your avatar is awesome, Thesp.

[Yosarian2]

Yos, this is the second time you're on, why are you failing to comment on the pretty dramatic turn of VP related matters? Seems that you're just picking any negative comment against you from the thread and retorting to those.

As a general note, if you see me posting between 5 and 6 in the morning, it means I'm making a quick 5 minute post right before I leave for work; don't expect any kind of detailed analysis or anything from those posts, it'll usually just a quick one-line response to something.

Anyway, doing a re-read of VP baller's posts now...I'm not really impressed by his scumhunting in general. I don't really get his attack on Iamusername at all, his vote for B&B was understandable but not based on much. His case on ekiM is more reasonable, but I kind of have a gut feeling at the moment that eikM might be town.

All in all, I could see lynching VP today. He wouldn't be my first choice, or my second, but his play in general looks pretty weak to me.

[Xylthixlm]

I want to see an all-players scum/town list from Yos.

[Yosarian2]

Sure, Xyl. Pretty sure I've already said my opinion on most people in the game. Note that the names aren't in any specific order except by category.

Obv town:
Elvis
Rofl

Likely town: (people who are making sense, who are contributing, who generally seem to have pro-town motives, who look like they're scumhunting)
charter
Ojanen
iamausername
zu_Faul

Neutral (people I can't get a read on, or who I have a mixed read on)
Xylthixlm
Poptajo
ekiM
Thesp
zu_Faul

Neutral-scummy
VP Baltar
PookyTheMagicalBear

Scummy
SerialClergyman
Kmd4390

[Xylthixlm]

Er, which list is zu_faul actually supposed to be on?

[Xylthixlm]

Lessee. Scumteam is Yos, charter, VP Baltar, and... maybe tajo?

[Yosarian2]

Er, which list is zu_faul actually supposed to be on?

Likely town. I originally had him as neutral, then went back and re-read his posts again. Sorry about the confusion.

Anyway, are we going to get any, like, actual scumhunting from you any time this game, or are you going to just keep making snide remarks, unexplained votes, and random sniping at people from the sidelines?

[Xylthixlm]

Anyway, are we going to get any, like, actual scumhunting from you any time this game, or are you going to just keep making snide remarks, unexplained votes, and random sniping at people from the sidelines?

Huh, so Yos

is

scum.

unvote, vote Yosarian2

[Yosarian2]

Anyway, are we going to get any, like, actual scumhunting from you any time this game, or are you going to just keep making snide remarks, unexplained votes, and random sniping at people from the sidelines?

Huh, so Yos

is

scum.

unvote, vote Yosarian2

Yes, that's a perfect example of the scummy and mostly useless way you've been voting and acting for most of the game. Thanks for the demonstration.

[SerialClergyman]

Xyl, why not zu faul as part of the group?

[Xylthixlm]

zu_Faul is town.

Pulled out some quotes that are the basis for that read (sorry I can't trim it down much more without losing the context). Giving opinions, following uncertain reads, willing to change mind, willing to admit to conflicted read of me. Totally town.

Pretty much all you've done is take pot shots at those that are suspicious of him.

This is plainly wrong. I did not attack anyone because they were accusing BAB. I made a comment at rofl and one at you. I doubt those really qualify as "attacks".
Saying something like this is just wrong.


Are you reading the same game I am reading?

I am not sold on BAB's townieness, but I don't think she deserves the spotlight she is currently getting.

Why not?

Because there are players who are actually doing scummy things.

---

Shabba seems more inexperienced as opposed to scummy. Got to keep in mind for the next days, but I'd give her a chance to make her behaviour better.

Xyl's vote and accusations hop around too much for my taste.

Herodotus' lurker hunt is not yet a good idea.

BAB plays pro-townish; the initial accusations were not bad, but I have not yet seen further indication of his scumminess. Players who make a scummy thing and then disapp; ared completely should rather be persecuted. ekiM for example.[/hr]

Well now. Maybe I was wrong all the time, and elvis_knits was right. So I reread BAB in isolation.

The reason for first voting Xyl, then elvis is stupid. I think this is what I meant when I said that the wagon was initially warranted. Then there is a long time where she does nothing scummy (I already said enough times why I disregard the "scum with Xyl" argument). With someone this under pressure and in the spotlight and no further signs of scumminess, I can only rule him town. The vanilla claim... well, it should not be an excuse to not lynch BAB, but I won't vote him because of it.

cum are SerialClergyman and ekiM. ekiM makes terrible points now to compensate for his lack of making points yesterday. Same with Serial; also the stuff I mentioned above.
There is somethin about Xyl which terribly bugs me, but I can't point a finger to it. Easily listening to rofl jsut now, for example, does not strike me as a pro-town move. But somehow I believe he is actually on our side. Like my head says "scum" and my gut feeling says "town".
I had a pro-town read on iamusername before his voting. Going to overthink this, as it was weird (see above).

Regardless - as I'm 'so scummy' with an ominous ellipsis, would you mind sharing the rest of your reasons with everyone?

It's dangerous to go alone.
Take this:



(for the humor-impaired, I am accusing him of fishing)


Also, I reread the BAB-Yos situation. What SerialClergyman says at the top of this page is just untrue. It is not that BAB "just told" Yos about his reasons. It is:
BAB: Yos is scum for X.
Yos: X is false. BAB still has not answered my points. And is scum.
BAB: Nonono, wait I voted you for Y and Z!

BAB did not reply to the points Yos2 made against him.

I mean, in the end Yos2 was wrong, but so were several other players. I don't see how he is scummy because of that. SerialClergyman is misrepresenting what Yos2 said hard.
People, don't play from your memory, read the stuff. And vote SerialClergyman please

[SerialClergyman]

I agree, but I don't have to like it.

Elvis agreeing with bad rolefishing accusation is the second time it's happened. Why do you need someone else to post a hilarious fishing-related image before you confess to sharing the opinion that there was rolefishing going on?

Vp had his wagon grow dramatically yet he lived despite claiming vanilla, something bab couldn't do and something that was hotly debated in favour of lynching yesterday.

Where are all the shocked and outraged people at the failure to lynch vanilla claim today?

[Yosarian2]

Vp had his wagon grow dramatically yet he lived despite claiming vanilla,

...

he claimed what?

(re-reads)

When I flip vanilla

You're right, I missed that.

VP, why the hell would you do that? You do realize claiming vanilla is just an inherently anti-town act, right?

[Xylthixlm]

I agree, but I don't have to like it.

Elvis agreeing with bad rolefishing accusation is the second time it's happened. Why do you need someone else to post a hilarious fishing-related image before you confess to sharing the opinion that there was rolefishing going on?

Vp had his wagon grow dramatically yet he lived despite claiming vanilla, something bab couldn't do and something that was hotly debated in favour of lynching yesterday.

Where are all the shocked and outraged people at the failure to lynch vanilla claim today?

Well, I'm totally hammering VP Baltar if he gets to L-1. I just want to make sure that people know Yosarian2 is scum. He's suddenly stopped defending himself to avoid drawing extra attention when I get nightkilled.

[SerialClergyman]

....

Maybe if he was vanilla? Aside from any scummy reasons?

Also I must be prophetic. Cue outraged vanilla lyncher

[SerialClergyman]

Obviously that was a simulpost directed at yos.

Speaking of which, where did you go? Would you like to explain what you meant a little more? Are we going to see your vote on the wagon any time soon?

[charter]

My mind wasn't made up at that point. That's why I unvoted without voting anyone. I needed to think about it, and didn't want VP sitting at L-1 when I hadn't had time to discuss anything with him. My mind is more made up more after seeing VP's latest response to EkiM's case. I'm not as worried about VP as I was before.

Regardless, what part of unvoting made you think I wanted VP lynched?

Ok... Had you said that initially, I'd be pretty inclined to believe you, but instead of saying you were unsure on VP, you exclaimed glee that he had so many votes. I don't know why you would ask that question, I thought that your vote meant you were fine with a VP lynch, when you unvoted, I had no idea if you still wanted him lynched but didn't want to be in the votecount or what.

Also I call BS on you calling other people out for not contributing enough, seeing as you haven't been here at all today until now.

Yes, it was hypocritical, but just because I wasn't here doesn't excuse others. They are guilty as well and I'm trying to figure out where they stand on people.

I'm good with a VP Baltar lynch. Yosarian2, what do you think?

Another Thesp-is-scum-ism! Why is he asking Yos when he would be fine voting for Yos?

Well, I'm totally hammering VP Baltar if he gets to L-1. I just want to make sure that people know Yosarian2 is scum. He's suddenly stopped defending himself to avoid drawing extra attention when I get nightkilled.

This statement makes no sense and is scummy to boot. Why do you have to swoop down for a quickhammer? How are Yos and VP scumbuddies at all? Also scummy is the "when I get nightkilled" quip, which was probably thrown in there because you're scum, and can't get nightkilled.

Seriously, people need to unvote VP and vote Xyl. He is scum, VP is not.