RedCoyote wrote:
I'm not really "providing" a case against you per se. Paradox asked what my pulse on the game was, and I consented. Incidentally, I have no qualms with ever explaining what I thinkt he makeup of the town is and think it can always be a spark to conversations to get people to give concrete town/scum predictions.
Fair enough.
RedCoyote wrote:
Because it didn't make logical sense. You said you were locked on hiphop, and a few days later you took your vote off. I don't blame you for unvoting hiphop of course, I blame you for erroneously "confiming" your vote before a claim and, if I recall correctly, before a deadline had even been set. There were only two votes, including your own, at that time on hiphop. I know I had expressed much disinterest in lynching him, I think DRK and DTM both felt the same way, but I don't want to put words in their mouths.
To be honest, it is the first time I think I have ever used a Confirm vote. Suffice to say, it seems we have a different opinion on how it's used, which you address later. So I am scummy for confirming a vote after discussing hiphop's scumminess with paradox before a deadline was set?
RedCoyote wrote:
The point is, it was a showy tactic to try and win support. Your "confirm votes" will forever be slightly tainted because, well, they're not really confirmed at all.
Again, first time I have ever done it, and don't intend on doing it again. I agree, it
was
a showy tactic to win support. That's part of this game, to change people's opinions to who you think is scum.
RedCoyote wrote:
Even Toro has, for better or worse, fended off pressure and showed us some defense and offense. I don't know, you and Shrine almost seem completely in the background of this game. Zach was guilty of this for a time, but I think he's brought himself out.
I guess I tend to disagree. I have been defending myself against others. I have talked with you since your post about me, and me and DTM have interacted a lot, as well as IK and hiphop. I obviously haven't had to do much defending, but I do when I need to. I feel I have gone on the offensive a decent portion in this game, far more than I usually do on D1. I guess we'll agree to disagree.
RedCoyote wrote:
Not seeing the forest for the trees is an idiom. I mean like you are not seeing the bigger picture because you are stuck on relatively minor details. Your confirm vote is a perfect example of this. You've got this strong intent to lynch hiphop, and that's fine, but you're only looking at one dimension of the game. When you "confirm" your vote especially, that's like saying you are done listening to anything else and you are ready for the day to end. That's just not the message I think a town player would want to convey at that time.
Again, I have never considered a confirm vote to be that sort of thing. It was merely a reminder to the town that I find hiphop completely worthy of a lynch at that time. So it seems your argument is based on your definition of a confirm vote. I obviously have been open to other lynches today and have been looking at multiple leads and dimensions, and also asked for a deadline extension. Totally wanting the day to end.
However, I will concede the point I often do get hung up on minor details.
RedCoyote wrote:
Apples to oranges. I'm providing more context than just, you know, "Zach's post seems a little sketchy. I'm suspicious". Additionally I am giving my players who I think sound good; I am showing my evolution throughout the game. Some of your earlier posts were more complete in this sense, but this post (550) is basically following the crowd. I appreciate you telling us that you agree with the greater town sentiment that Toro/jason should probably be given more scrutiny, but you can't lynch two people. What about Toro's breadcrumb? Does jason seem connected to anything? Expand, explain, and get deeper.
My 550 was simply a quick response to DRK's post. Nothing more nothing less. Would you like me to do a scumlist like you do? I understand the concept of not being able to lynch two people. However, given the deadline scenario, either one was viable before Toro's softclaim. I think since his softclaim, albeit having very bad timing, is something to look into D2. Non-CC'd PRs should not be killed D1. Jason seems connected to some people. I'd have to look back but I distinctly remember a few people laying some possible interactions out there with Jason.
RedCoyote wrote:
That I'm missing your unique interpretation of the game.
This response didn't help me, Ha. I guess I just am not grasping what you mean. Is this sarcastic?
Anyone else skeptical of the fact that he claimed Town RB? Anytime I have ever seen someone do that, they have come up as scum. However, I just realized this game is not necessarily normal and is a mini, but still.
634 is an obvious deflection from Jason, again.
I agree with DRK that we need to look at all three claimed PRs, especially since all have claimed on D1. Very unlikely, but again, not something to deal with today.
With regards to Jason's claim, I find it a crazy role, and given this isn't normal, I would be hard pressed for him to make this up. I do agree with DRK that it IS verifiable, and thus can be used on D2. I also think D2 Toro should tell us who he RBed.
I agree with don: Although I don't like to tell PRs what to do, I do think if Jason investigates Toro then we have an interesting situation with regards to both their PRs.
I am town-aligned.
How much longer until deadline?
