3 - ZazieR (Goatrevolt, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Lord Gurgi)
2 - Lord Gurgi (Battousai, Nuwen)
2 - Battousai (Elmo, SpyreX)
1 - LlamaFluff (forbiddanlight)
1 - Debonair Danny DiPietro (ZazieR)
1 - TDC (LlamaFluff)
1 - Elmo (Patrick)
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To me its that Nuwens idea has a chance at working, albiet a long shot (we would need good accuraccy), it can work in the end. I just dont think it has a great shot of doing so. While chances of it working are directly dependent on our ability to scumhunt, or moreso FLs ability, there is no 'horrible downside' to it. We basically are playing a JK and targeting who we think is scum and not town. If we lynch scum, it might even be an optimal move. I do not think its the best move, but its not a bad one.Patrick wrote:Is there something scummier about Gurgi suggesting a sub-optimal strategy than Nuwen suggesting a sub-optimal strategy?
I would actually go for an Elmo lynch before a Zazie lynch at deadline. I have had multiple bad experiences lynching zazie for being a lurker, although I can not remember a game with him where he was scum. I can point to two games where he did disappear (but not get replaced) though as town.Lord Gurgi wrote:Fun time question that Patrick probably should ask: Why are we lynching ZazieR and not Elmo?
How so?SpyreX wrote:Also, to add spice to the pot - if Zaz IS scum I'd put Batt on higher than baseline to be a partner.
I lean this way as well, oddly enough...consider it's coming from LF :S...hmm...LF wrote:
I would actually go for an Elmo lynch before a Zazie lynch at deadline. I have had multiple bad experiences lynching zazie for being a lurker, although I can not remember a game with him where he was scum. I can point to two games where he did disappear (but not get replaced) though as town.
Maybe you could talk about this as well, as a Zazier voter. Do you have a preference between the two?Lord Gurgi wrote:Fun time question that Patrick probably should ask: Why are we lynching ZazieR and not Elmo?
My experience is him doing it as scum. I don't think him disappearing is a tell, since collectively we've seen him do it as both alignments, but if he's been posting elsewhere but not here, then that is a definite tell. I caught him doing it that one night, but I don't know if that's been a trend or a 1-time deal.LlamaFluff wrote:I would actually go for an Elmo lynch before a Zazie lynch at deadline. I have had multiple bad experiences lynching zazie for being a lurker, although I can not remember a game with him where he was scum. I can point to two games where he did disappear (but not get replaced) though as town.
Can you express it better now then?Elmo wrote:(I don't think my stance on DDD was bad, although maybe I didn't express it well because it was late.)
ZazieR had more votes. I don't like to lynch Elmo as a general thing.Patrick wrote:Maybe you could talk about this as well, as a Zazier voter. Do you have a preference between the two?Lord Gurgi wrote:Fun time question that Patrick probably should ask: Why are we lynching ZazieR and not Elmo?
Translation: I'm back, but I have no stance since I already know who all the townies are and I can't find anyone doing something scummy enough to frameElmo wrote: I'm back, but I still don't have any meaningful opinions - I'm halfway through rereading now. Feel free to ask me questions, or so? I'm still struggling to find anything interesting, that's the problem. (I don't think my stance on DDD was bad, although maybe I didn't express it well because it was late.)
LG wrote: ZazieR had more votes.
Not as valid this game. We need four votes on a player for a deadline lynch. This is HALF of a majority. It's not preferable to a majority lynch, but as far as deadline lynches go, it's far less a leg to stand on if you don't believe in the lynch.Patrick wrote: First can be a valid reason close to deadline but doesn't say anything about scumminess.
Data?LG wrote: I don't want to lynch Elmo on day one because he tends to be helpful as either alignment. As far as I can tell, ZazieR doesn't.
If you'veforbiddanlight wrote:Translation: I'm back, but I have no stance since I already know who all the townies are and I can't find anyone doing something scummy enough to frame
It's a parody of your supposed point of view. Perhaps it wasn't well phrased, but the idea is I don't buy you are actually scumhunting, since obviously other players have found cases.Elmo wrote: If you've just stated that no-one's doing anything scummy enough for me to decently attack them if I was scum, why do you think I'd act differently as town?
And he was both alignments in Tofu, hence being helpful as either alignment?Data is me playing with him in Tofu, while people in this game have already attested to ZazieR.
This is a lot of words but not much is actually said. First you say the lack of a counterwagon suggests DDD is town, but then you say it could be because the scum don't have much influence on voting patterns. That's a long way of saying "they could be scum or town."Elmo wrote:@LF: Well, generally if a scumbag's getting wagoned, their buddies tend to try and start a wagon on someone else, especially early on when wagons don't need much to get started, but no-one really seemed interested in trying. (My reasoning here is kinda like JDodge's in Open 55.) But for example, if Zaz and Danny happen to be scum (with 3 scum total), the single leftover mafioso isn't going to have much influence on the voting patterns. So the more it looks like no-one would be wagoning regardless of alignment, the harder it is (or less reliable) to tell why scum aren't wagoning.
..I think this makes sense.