The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Percy]

1) He didn't retract the portion of the post I referenced.

Um, yes he did.

2) My record is perfect, yours however is the opposite.

Want me to remind you of your reads yesterday?

If you are town you should of been calling me and Zazier scum without question but you didn't and that is because you are scum. It is you who have slipped.

So you're scum?

4) The town role PM is useless and unnecessary to determine the scum...
5) I don't care if the scum have the town role PM or not. At this point it is 100% irrelevant and only a distraction to the discussion

Then if it's irrelevant, you won't mind answering this:

@L_C: If the scum have the role PM, then I'm sure you wouldn't mind providing me with the few details that haven't already been publicly aired.

ZazieR already pointed to the inconsistencies when Dev claimed. Clear them up for me, and we can dispose of the role PM speculation (make sure you clear your post with the mod first).

[Lamont_Cranston]

1) LOL. No he didn't but seeing that you're scum it makes sense you would grasp at straws here.

2) LOL. Once again you try to confuse things. This is TODAY not yesterdaay. Get with it. You're way behind here.

3) WTH!?

4) The role PM means NOTHING. Our cop peeks mean EVERYTHING.

[dramonic]

I retracted the part where I was convinced Percy was scum. I still strongly believe Zaz to be scum, however.

Now, clearly your little exchange is not going ANYWHERE. We should wait for Zaz, Tajo and Amished to comment (well, mostly the first 2, the latter having a tendency to disappear for long time frames)

[Lamont_Cranston]

You retracted the part about the hammer which had nothing to do with my comment. I don't need the hammer to know Percy is scum.

[Devestation]

Lamont how is "WTH!?" a tangible defence?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Sorry that's all that would come to mind in reaction to a statement that was so piss poor.

[Percy]

My exchange is going somewhere, I think.

Lamont firstly said that, according to his theories, I should believe him to be scum. To believe anything else is scummy. This behaviour from someone is kind of hard to ignore. The idea that I should be convinced he's scum means that either his theories are crap, or that he's scum.

Now I've given him a chance to use information he believes to be

completely irrelevant

to clear himself. He has claimed to have received the Innocent role PM, but that he did not read it when Dev initially claimed, for tactical reasons, to explain his ignorance of its content at the time.

As I said before, and as ZazieR pointed out way back when Dev claimed, there were some inconsistencies with what Dev said - clearly, it was a paraphrase, but he got the jist of it down enough to convince everyone, myself included, that he received the Innocent PM.

Now I'm asking L_C to clear up those inconsistencies from his own role PM. He's refusing to do so, using bluff and bluster to try and make this issue irrelevant. I think it's highly relevant.

If he truly believes that the Innocent role PM is irrelevant and that everyone (except the non-Innocent town-aligned players, presumably, but he has claimed Innocent) has access to the information I'm asking for, then why won't he address its content?

The only conclusion I can reach at this time is that he is not Innocent, hasn't received the Innocent PM, and can't answer my question.

Vote: Lamont_Cranston

[Lamont_Cranston]

This is all mumbo jumbo. The town knows TODAY not yesterday who the scum are because of cop peeks and confirmed town PR's. All of this yesterday garbage about the town role PM is just being used to try and confuse the town.

Remember how long it took the supposed town Percy to roll around to finally accuse somebody. He should of been on it immediately. I think it is clear now why he wasn't.

[populartajo]

LOL at Lammont yelling "Tajo HAS to be a GF". Tolda ya. Caught scum.

This post by Percy is a good start.

So we have the following cleared by Stephoscope:

-dramonic
-populartajo

We have the following cleared (posthumously) by Naomi:

-Devestation

We have the following cleared from general observation:

-Amished

This leaves:

-Percy
-ZazieR
-Lamont_Cranston
-Stephoscope


So first the mod posted that this is a potential Lylo. We have 8 people alive. That means the worst scenario for us is to lynch town today, one nk and gg. We have to assume there are min 3 scum left. We are not looking for investigation shenanigans today, Im going to assume Dev is confirmed. Proven cop Steph is also prob town. Confirming so many people near lylo is a terrible play for scum. His claim is also legit (Naomi was Trillby). That means Im also going to assume dramonic is town. Finally, Amished is also prob town, (timing and nature of the claim, general behavior, gut, etc) even if he has been kinda meh lately.

So this leaves 3 people where Im pretty sure there is at least 2 scum. But who? Oh what a surprise, Lammont is here.

I have a town read on Zazie. Anxious scumhunter is a potent towntell from her. That leaves Percy. I need to reread him but overall feeling from his discussion with Lammont is that they are doing an interesting bussing charade, considering how much it took for Percy to vote Lammont and also that Lammont is prefering Zazier than "his obvscum" Percy . I need to decide on this (and in possible flaws on my assumptions) but Im going with the obvious play.

Vote : Lammont.

People voting Zazie, why exactly are you voting her? Do you realize this is potential Lylo? What do you think of Lammont?

[Lamont_Cranston]

There is no way to prove it but since we know that Percy is confirmed scum, it would appear that Tajo is acting as the GF here. Again, there is no proof that Tajo is the GF but he is acting as if he is.

Zazier and Percy are the lynch for today.

[Devestation]

votecount plz?

[Lamont_Cranston]

That would be:

Mod could you please put the suntan lotion down and give us a votecount please...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw, every one of Percy's arguments are crap here. I dopn't expect Percy to admit that of course (he's scum) but anyone else can question me on any one of his arguments and I will happily explain.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The reason Tajo appears to be acting as the GF here is because he embraces the same sound town logic that I have but then votes me instead of the obv-scum Percy or Zazier!

See, Percy has yet to embrace the proper logic, instead he obfuscates and confuses things by saying there are multiple GF's or that Stepho is naive whereas I have consulted the cleared town roles

ALL ALONG

.

Tajo should be voting Percy or Zazier and the question is: WHY ISN'T HE??

[Amished]

Percy also appears to be the most pro-town out of the the three remaining unconfirmed players. I can see a 2-1-5 situation (which wouldn't turn out to be lylo if both kills were on the townie) or a 3-1-4 (which would make zaz, percy and LC all scum, and easy to not mislynch.

(BTW I said that I was going to be on V/LA til monday for sure and potentially til yesterday in I think my last post before this...)

What I see from LC is mostly bluster and Percy actually trying to figure out what we have from most likely situations.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Look its simple. We have 4 people left that are unconfirmed. One of them is town. There ISN'T anything to figure out. If you call that bluster and back it up with a vote then you deserve to lose.

[dramonic]

4?

LC, Percy, Zazie and who?

[Percy]

@L_C: You don't have the Innocent Role PM, do you?

Wow, I'm actually surprised at how well that worked.

[dramonic]

You know, those 7 pages could have been summed up by two lines

LC: You're scum Percy, let's lynch Zazie.
Percy: No you are LC, let's lynch you.

[Lamont_Cranston]

There is one GF Dramonic. It could be Tajo or anyone else that has been peeked.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The reason I'm the only one saying that is because I'm the town among Percy and Zazier. Seriously.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Scum would love to have this to be rocket science but it isn't.

[Stephoscope]

Devestation, surely you have an opinion on whether Percy's assertion that there's a section of the Innocent PM that Lamont (who has absolutely claimed vanilla) should know but doesn't?

[dramonic]

someone remind me where LC claimed vanillager, I think I missed that ^_^;

[Stephoscope]

Or that he should be able to clear up inconsistencies...whatever it is that Percy's saying.

This would be a hell of a risky gamble for Percy if he's scum.