Open 164 - Bird 7P (Over) before 836

[brothernature]

So when I vote for a person who already has a vote on him, it's suspicious, yet when zwetschenwasser does it, it's not? Please explain your logic.

[hohum]

Unvote; Vote: zwetschenwasser

for having a really long name....

I smell a hopeful bandwagon...

I smell a newbie townie...

[hiphop]

In case you don't know random votes do not have "real" reasons. Random votes should not have real reasons, yours do.

[Far_Cry]

Unvote; Vote: zwetschenwasser

for having a really long name....

I smell a hopeful bandwagon...

I dont....

Unvote; Vote: zwetschenwasser

for having a really long name....

I smell a hopeful bandwagon...

I smell a newbie townie...

hehehe. maybe true.

Far_Cry and zwetschenwasser- What do you plan to gain by your votes? He hasn’t confirmed yet, so I doubt he even knew the game was up. I don’t see any reason for your vote. And you can’t say your votes are random, because your votes aren't.

Random votes are designed to get the game going; rather than idly sitting around like you are, I try to move on people.

So when I vote for a person who already has a vote on him, it's suspicious, yet when zwetschenwasser does it, it's not? Please explain your logic.

Whoa, whoa. We're getting suspicious when the game hasn't even officially started????? This is ridiculous. We are random voting. I dont know how people can find scum so early.

[brothernature]

Amen. These two can't seem to comprehend what a RVS is. They do seem to be displaying the usual paranoia that marks a townie, even if it is a bit early. As hohum said, I smell newbie townies...

[Sironigous]

Vote Count!

hohum
zwetschenwasser - (2) OneGunman, brothernature
Far_Cry
Xehdat - (2) Far_Cry, zwetschenwasser
OneGunman
hiphop
brothernature - (1) hiphop

Not voting: hohum, zwet, Xehdat

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline for Day 1 - September 15, 2009 ~ 7:00 P.M. EST

Xehdat has not picked up his role PM and I will be requesting a replacement for him.

[zwetschenwasser]

In case you don't know random votes do not have "real" reasons. Random votes should not have real reasons, yours do.

You really think that confirmations constitute a "real reason"? This is a newbie game.

[Far_Cry]

In case you don't know random votes do not have "real" reasons. Random votes should not have real reasons, yours do.

You really think that confirmations constitute a "real reason"? This is a newbie game.

Why won't we just shut up and wait for the new replacement?

[Far_Cry]

This is a newbie game.

No its not Just noticed that.

[hiphop]

In case you don't know random votes do not have "real" reasons. Random votes should not have real reasons, yours do.

You really think that confirmations constitute a "real reason"? This is a newbie game.

Yes I do think that. It's my opinion. Imo when two people vote for the same reason, the votes aren't random.

Random votes are designed to get the game going; rather than idly sitting around like you are, I try to move on people.

It's called the Random Voting Stage for a reason hiphop....

definition of the rvs found on wiki rvs

RVS: Random Voting Stage. Most Mafia games start with a phase wherein people vote for silly reasons, until someone slips up or makes a legitimate accusation.

Your votes were not for silly reasons therefore the rvs is over.

Whoa, whoa. We're getting suspicious when the game hasn't even officially started????? This is ridiculous. We are random voting. I dont know how people can find scum so early.

Are you telling me that the rvs is not part of the game? If you think that why do you even random vote? Rvs is part of the game. The game has started.

[zwetschenwasser]

If you're not willing to see the truth, then I'll just ignore you.

[Sironigous]

A very big thank you to PorkchopExpress - he places Xehdat! Please welcome him!

[zwetschenwasser]

PorkchopExpress?

[Far_Cry]

Whoa, whoa. We're getting suspicious when the game hasn't even officially started????? This is ridiculous. We are random voting. I dont know how people can find scum so early.

Are you telling me that the rvs is not part of the game? If you think that why do you even random vote? Rvs is part of the game. The game has started.

I'm not. There's a difference between random voting and ACTUALLY getting suspicious.

[zwetschenwasser]

hiphop, the rvs usually includes votes cast for stupid/nonsensical reasons. One of those was mine.

[Illume]

From here:

1. It worries new players - Players who are new to the game often see random voting and do not understand the logic behind it, and subsequently make some very wrong assumptions--for instance: all random votes are truly random, logic is not necessary for the game of mafia, or that it is OK to cast a lynching vote at random.

Yes I do think that. It's my opinion. Imo when two people vote for the same reason, the votes aren't random.

IMO, your a newbie. What part of RANDOM don't you understand. So what if two people picked the same person? They both RANDOMLY picked him. It's the luck of the draw! Do. You. Under. Stand. Now?

[brothernature]

OMG. If my brother forgets to log off his acc one more time, I'm gunna kill him. Sorry. Accidently posted on my bro's acc. He's supposed to log off when he's done....But he didn't, obviously.

[hiphop]

Vote: Xehdat

for not confirming.

unvote vote Xehdat

..... waiting for him to confirm.

Look at these posts, I can see how zwetschenwasser vote may be random, but Far_Cry is not. His post is like he copied zwetschenwasser and made a few changes, so that the words are not exactly the same. Having the same vote for different reasons could be random, but having the same vote for the same reason, is not random.

Random votes are designed to get the game going; rather than idly sitting around like you are, I try to move on people.

Don’t let me stop you, I was just pointing out non-random votes.

[OneGunman]

So when I vote for a person who already has a vote on him, it's suspicious, yet when zwetschenwasser does it, it's not? Please explain your logic.

Completely different. Zwets's vote was for a late confirm. You switched your random vote to...another random vote but with one guy already on him?

[zwetschenwasser]

It's not a scumtell. Give it a rest, will you?

[PorkchopExpress]

Hi guys, please note that I'm running on Australian time so my posting will seem a little all over the place. Chronologically speaking.

Vote: Hiphop

There is nothing wrong with a few votes ending up on the same person. It's called pressure, it helps us find scum.

[brothernature]

hiphop: First, zwet made the second vote on Xehdat. Far_Cry made the first, then unvoted, and put his vote BACK on Xehdat. Second, your jumping to conclusions.

OneGunman: So are you telling me I'm not allowed to change my vote? At all? Okay then. Next time you change your vote, I'm gunna take it as a scumtell.

Both: Neither of those are scumtells. Just drop 'em.


From here.

At the beginning of a game of Mafia, there is very little information to be had. As a result, initial votes are made with no substantial reasoning offered.

I don't understand how you can think someone is scum within the first two pages. Honestly.

You two are either thick-headed or newbies. I prefer to believe in humanity's intelligence and go with the latter.

[hiphop]

My intentions were not that the posts were scumtells, I wanted to see the reactions.

Lets the rvs continue.

vote:hohum

for having sentences that don't stop.

[OneGunman]

hiphop: First, zwet made the second vote on Xehdat. Far_Cry made the first, then unvoted, and put his vote BACK on Xehdat. Second, your jumping to conclusions.

OneGunman: So are you telling me I'm not allowed to change my vote? At all? Okay then. Next time you change your vote, I'm gunna take it as a scumtell.

Both: Neither of those are scumtells. Just drop 'em.


From here.

At the beginning of a game of Mafia, there is very little information to be had. As a result, initial votes are made with no substantial reasoning offered.

I don't understand how you can think someone is scum within the first two pages. Honestly.

You two are either thick-headed or newbies. I prefer to believe in humanity's intelligence and go with the latter.

The issue is not with changing your vote, the issue is primarily with changing your vote to someone who already has one in the RVS stage.

[PorkchopExpress]

And why is that a problem exactly, OGM?