The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Lamont_Cranston]

I have a question? Do we have enough votes to lynch Zwet?

[dramonic]

nope

he's at l-1

unofficial votecount

Lamont (1) : Zwet
Zwet (5) : Dram, Amished, Tajo, Percy, Lamont

Not voting (4) : Pyro, Zazie, Steph, Dev

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote Count

Zwetschenwasser: 5 (Dramonic, Amished, populartajo, Percy, Lamont_Cranston)
Lamont_Cranston: 1 (Zwetschenwasser)

Not Voting: Pyro, ZazieR, Stephoscope, Devestation.

[populartajo]

Great, so we might now be unable to win the game and to top it off, odds are we are currently in MyLo


Also, update to the list!

dramonic

Cleared by Stepho

Stephoscope

Cleared by Naomi

Devestation

Cleared by Naomi

Amished

Cleared by Hohum/Elmo

Lamont_Cranston
zwetschenwasser
Sironigous
Pyromaniac
ZazieR
Populartajo

If we have 4 scum, which still sounds like a plausible amount to me for a 19 player game, we are now in MyLo

My gut says Tajo, but at this point in the game the scum can quickvote and lynch, so I'm not voting yet

Sironi cleared himself with the town PM. Zazier cleared hersel the same way.

That leaves:

Lamont_Cranston
zwetschenwasser
Pyromaniac
Populartajo

There is no way I'm voting for Pyro. That leaves

Tajo

or

Zwet

. I think we need to ISO these folks and figure out what is going on with them.

Looking at the above list, we've made no mistake. I say hang 'em all high!

Unvote, Vote Zwet

/Facepalm.

I can tell you a lot of mistakes:

First you are assuming that having the vanilla PM means town. You are using this logic to clear Zazier and Siro. However you dont use this logic to clear me. It shouldnt, I agree. But thats not the point of the discussion. Since Dev wasnt modkilled for almost quoting his PM, its probable that scum knows the vanilla PM. But either you clear ALL the players or you suspect ALL the players. Your inconsistency used to bring suspicion to me is evident.

Since your mistake is in your first assumption then all your posterior reasoning is a big load of crap. You are reaching to avoid being lynched, scum.

I should note also that you've failed to provide a valid answer of why if you thought Pyro was the less scummy of your assumed "Tajo, zwet, Pyro" scumgroup, you voted for him first.

@all: Remember to lynch Lammont.

For the record Pyro's claim is fail and he is also prob scum. I fail to understand why he didnt protect the claimed power roles and went with Lammont twice (wtf?). We've had some very protown players since day 1 and Lammont wasnt one of them. Also Zazie just brought flavor that incriminates this guy.

Finally zwet claim and such.

[Percy]

For the record Pyro's claim is fail and he is also prob scum. I fail to understand why he didnt protect the claimed power roles and went with Lammont twice (wtf?). We've had some very protown players since day 1 and Lammont wasnt one of them. Also Zazie just brought flavor that incriminates this guy.

Finally zwet claim and such.

QFT, all of this. Pyro's claim seals the deal. He should be investigated tonight. zwet is still the lynch.

[Amished]

FTR: I will be on vacation starting Saturday til Monday night (then spotty access from Tuesday til probably next Thursday)

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok we have two confirmed town that can drop the hammer. We need to do what needs to be done. :/

[Stephoscope]

Things that bother me:

Lamont's claiming vanilla

Percy's statement "As the latest result, this means one of two things: Either Stephoscope received the doll and is now on a scumteam with dramonic, or dramonic is innocent" ignores the obvious fact that dramonic could have picked up the doll, and would therefore be an anti-town Innocent (assuming that's what the doll does)

The absurdity of four? people discussing the innocent role PM and every one supposedly "cleared" from it. The only one I considered clear was Devestation, who as previously mentioned pretty much told us what the damned thing was.

I have reading to do before I figure out whether zwet is a good lynch.

[Stephoscope]

I find the case against Zwet weak, and want to wait for his claim.

I would also like Pyro to tell us more about the reality shifts, and see if it jives with what Amished knows. I still believe Amished to be town, despite recent protection failures. It makes sense to test the validity of Pyro's claim now.

[dramonic]

Well, with a multiprotect including self-protect doc, I doubt we'd need another one.

[Percy]

Percy's statement "As the latest result, this means one of two things: Either Stephoscope received the doll and is now on a scumteam with dramonic, or dramonic is innocent" ignores the obvious fact that dramonic could have picked up the doll, and would therefore be an anti-town Innocent (assuming that's what the doll does)

If you think this is a valid possibility, and a valid line of investigation, how do you explain your first post of the day?

dramonic is a good guy.

I take back everything I said about him.

[Stephoscope]

Percy's statement "As the latest result, this means one of two things: Either Stephoscope received the doll and is now on a scumteam with dramonic, or dramonic is innocent" ignores the obvious fact that dramonic could have picked up the doll, and would therefore be an anti-town Innocent (assuming that's what the doll does)

If you think this is a valid possibility, and a valid line of investigation, how do you explain your first post of the day?

dramonic is a good guy.

I take back everything I said about him.

WTF? All I can comment on is his role. I'm tempted to vote you right now.

[dramonic]

Percy, he's cop, not brain-draining item-scanning role-detecting space monster.

[Percy]

What Steph wanted was me to list three possibilities:

1. dramonic is pro-town, as is Steph. Simple cop-clearing.
2. dramonic is anti-town, together with Steph. Simple scum play.
3. dramonic is anti-town because the doll changed his alignment, and Steph (who is good) knows nothing about his alignment because he gets an insane result when targeting the doll-holder. A great deal more complicated.

Now I am willing to seriously consider possibility three. What I found interesting is that Steph would criticise me for not considering this possibility, when it is quite clear that

he hadn't either

.

Summary:

Steph: "Hi, I'm the claimed cop with a good record, and I'm clearing a player, don't worry about him, ignore those things I said when I said he should die".
Percy: "Well, that means either Steph is telling the truth, in which case I'll take her advice and not worry about him; or she's lying, in which case dramonic is probably scum too".
Steph: "What about if I'm good and dramonic is actually scum? Why didn't you consider that?"
Percy: *is confused* "Well, you said he was a good guy."
Steph: "WTFFFFF?!!! I only said he didn't have a scum role, which may very well be independent of whether he's a good guy or not, because there might be doll weirdness! He might not be a good guy! You should have known that!"
Percy: *is getting really confused*

[Percy]

EBWOP: Goddamn, sorry Steph, I know you're a dude. (I got it right most of the time...)

Won't happen again.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Every claim we've had this game has been like this -- shrouded in confusion.

[Devestation]

woa woa woa... we are killing Zwet over someone who's just claimed scum? O_o

I guess Pyro tomorrow.

vote: Zwet

[dramonic]

Yes, the third option could theorically happen, but I do not have the doll.

If I did I'd claim it. We need to lynch scum anyway right now, this could be Mylo, depending on how Zwet flips. It's no time to be killing third parties.

[ZazieR]

Sajin died AGAIN. Ugh. I can't tell anjything from this NK. My guess is that lamont is right and it does become aligned with the mafia, not an SK. Due to only one NK

Don't think so. The one who killed N3, took the clothes and killing weapon from the flipped killer. So either the effect of the doll has worn off or powerrole.

[ZazieR]

My guess is that SOMEBODY has the matches now. And for the record, its not me.

As the town drags Sajin's body out to the yard for burial, you find a box of matches under his collapsed corpse. Every one of them is broken, utterly unusable.

Simulposted with the mod.

[ZazieR]

Well based on the above post I am saying that there is only 3 scum and they MUST be:

zwetschenwasser
Pyromaniac
Populartajo

We just need to figure out which one we want to go first and we have this game locked.

Not liking this post. If you think all of them must be scum, what's the reason for waiting to figure out who should go out first?

[ZazieR]

To get this ball rolling:

Vote Pyro

And right afterwards a change in stance. Why? And why Pyro of the three?

[ZazieR]

Post 3618 - Lamont fails to answer most, if not all, of Tajo's questions. Not liking that one bit.

[ZazieR]

Amished, how many protections do you have and what kind of ridiculous mindstate is it to not protect our most essential player 0_o

Still, I'm going to

Vote: Zwet

Why do you want to know how many protections Amished has left?

[ZazieR]

Why is it that much of a stretch to believe that there's no way else that we'll be able to find to start a fire if need be? Hell, if I'm still alive at the end game and there's a fire in the fireplace (there was one in the game, who knows, we can't exactly explore the "manor") I'll spread the fire from the fireplace to the house.

I'd still win

. And who knows, maybe that's what's "fated" and it's what I should do anyways. I don't believe that one item will prevent us from all out winning.

Not liking the bolded.