MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (Tar's subgame): Game Over

[Vino]

Beats me, I didn't even know I did until Tar rained on my parade.

[Sajin]

Sigh. I believe it. I see a pattern to these card abilities. Although I wish you would commit instead of fence sitting. Not only is it unhelpful it makes for a boring game.

To note though, there was only 1 kill last night and vino said he did not block anything. Something else stopped or redirected Kinetics kill (Yes I am assuming he had a kill)

unvote; vote veerus

[Papa Zito]

Who was your target, Vino?

[qwints]

@Vino
The flavor on your card (http://magiccards.info/autocard.php?car ... riksdotter) bothers me. It suggests that you'd have to sacrifice yourself to be a doc. It also provides no explanation for why you'd have two targets. Comments?

Also, what did you try to do last night?

I'm quite disturbed by your incompetence, but I don't see how it could represent a scum tell itself.

[Pyromaniac]

Doubt it. Claiming doc is a common scum tactic. The flavor doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Also, it seems that we probably have a SK in each game.

[qwints]

The flavor doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

This bit me in the ass in an ongoing game. Remember tar games always* have safe claims.

*Everyone that I've seen.

[Pyromaniac]

I will do some bandwagon analysis instead of voting vino.

"'Yes, I think 'toast' is an appropriate description
-Jaya Ballard, Task Mage' - flavor text, Incinerate"

I've had quite enough of this. - Tar

The Second Vote Count (aka the "Penalty - Game Loss" Vote Count)

1) Kinetic (1) - Mastin
2) veerus (0) -
3) Benmage (0) -
4) ChaosOmega (0) -
5) Budja (0) -
6) malthusis (0) -
7) Pyromaniac (5) -

Seraphim,

Kairyuu, ChaosOmega, Sajin,

Kinetic

8) Seraphim (1) - Vino
9) Sajin (0) -
10) Mastin (0) -
11) Vino (1) - malthusis
12) Kairyuu (1) - Budja
forbiddanlight (1) - Pyromaniac

Not Voting (2): veerus, Benmage

Votes required to lynch:

7

Current Deadline:

August 20, 2009 at ~6:00 P.M. CST (GMT -6)

First Mod Deadline Review:

August 13, 2009 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

Modkill forthcoming

My guess is that my wagon was scum driven. I bet that among ChaosOmega, Sajin and Kairyuu there is at least one scum. Now, depending on Vino's flip, ChaosOmega will be prob scum or prob town. Since I don't believe Vino's claim he is prob town. Between Kairyuu and Sajin I don't know. Sajin fence sat on my wagon. Where as Kairyuu hasn't done anything.

vote: kairyuu

for now. Also, the fact that the flavour doesn't make sense is extremely damning. You have to fit a PR into a specific card, not any card you chose.

[Sajin]

I provided my reasoning every step of the way. How is that fence sitting exactly?

[Pyromaniac]

Jumping back on and off the wagon, not committing to it.

[Kairyuu]

And I've been BUSY, and am now V/LA. What about that is so difficult for people to understand? It is ever so slightly difficult to be my usual active self when my college has me running around on stupid tours from 8 in the morning until 11 at night. I've been nothing but open about my schedule to you guys. It's even in my sig.

Also, my card flavor and my role do not match either, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge based on flavor. We are talking about a trading card game here as flavor. Not all roles can really fit well with cards, especially when limited to a single block. Keep that in mind.

[Sajin]

Jumping back on and off the wagon, not committing to it.

Thats not fence sitting.

[Pyromaniac]

Yes. Yes it is. Or it is something equally scummy.

[Sajin]

How is changing your opinions about someone and changing your vote because of that scummy, at all?


Also my abilitiy(s) or lack there of do not match my card well either.

[Kairyuu]

Yes. Yes it is. Or it is something equally scummy.

. . .

Player A pushes Player B to claim
Player B claims town power role
Player A removes vote

This is not scummy at all. A considerable number of people would rather not lynch claimed power roles, even if they were suspicious of said person before the claim.

Of course, I am not one of those people. Unless a claim is confirmable I treat it as a minor point. Doc is not confirmable, and the lynch is a solid one. No reason for me to move my vote.

[malthusis]

Qwints raises a good point about the flavor, but why are you being so sketchy on your claim Vino? You say you're a doc, but why do you need two targets? You didn't even explain when questioned. It seems like all you'd have to do is ask Tar or look at your PM. I'm going to

Vote: Vino

till you elaborate more.

[veerus]

3. Vino is the most egregious offender; you are a close second. Also, the fact that attacking Vino has drawn you out of the woodwork is almost as interesting as Vino's lack of defense.

I was always out of the woodwork. It's just that your sudden attacks on Vito caught my attention therefore I commented on it.

Sajin, sure, you're assuming he had a kill (a valid assumption), but how do you know it was in the stack before the action that killed him, or that he had unlimited kills (perhaps he had 1 or 2 kills and didn't think he'd get NK'd and wanted to save it)? Also, what's up with the Zito-like unexplained vote?

[veerus]

I missed your other post, Sajin. I'll try to explain.

What I meant by confusion is that I'm not sure who is who. Let me explain.

Pyro is supposedly an unrecruitable townie, but I'm having a hard time tying down any sort of a cult to a MTG theme'd game and card text doesn't really support that either. But yet everyone else seems ok with it... So am I reading too much into it?

Malthusis lurks hardcore, but then again, he always does. Is he being ignored because of meta or because the active players here are scum?

Mastin seems MIA and before that he seemed to comment more on other games than this one. Is that a scumtell?

Papa Zito appears in this game, attacks another player and then rides CO's case without really providing any evidence of his own. Given his nonsensical posting in his previous game, he's probably the one giving off the most scummy vibes to me right now.

In his defense though, there is a case that could be made against Vino. Many of his posts are fluff. However his claim sort of checks out with the card. And it is not unlike Tar to reject a night action due to incorrect submission.

ChaosOmega is another hardcore lurker it seems, but his analysis on Vino is fairly solid.

So anyway, most of this is speculation and that's generally not a good way to scum hunt. Thus the confusion, so I observe.

[Sajin]

I have already asked for a prod on everyone (at the time) which included Mastin. Yes, Mastin, lurky is likely scum-Mastin but I think he is partially V/LA.

Whats up with you not voting anyone Veerus? You seem to have opinions that nothing but my vote could bring out. Lets see some action based on those opinions.

[Sajin]

@Malthusis- That is an incredibly scummy reason to add a vote imo. He said his ability does not need 2 targets, did you fully read his posts? Did your scumbuddies just tell you to throw your vote on the stack? (lame magic reference, could not resist)

[Tarhalindur]

"'A thousand years removed from her home, her news of war had lost its context, but not its relevance.' - flavor text, Icatian Crier"

I'm going to pass you on the First Mod Deadline Review. Barely. If it weren't for so much V/LA, I would be failing you instead. Get posting. - Tar

The Sixth Vote Count (aka the "Elfball" Vote Count)

2) veerus (1) - Sajin
4) ChaosOmega (0) -
6) malthusis (0) -
7) Pyromaniac (0) -
9) Sajin (0) -
10) Mastin (0) -
11) Vino (4) - Papa Zito, Kairyuu, ChaosOmega, malthusis
12) Kairyuu (1) - Pyromaniac
14) qwints (0) -
26) Papa Zito (0) -

Not Voting (3): veerus, Mastin, Vino, qwints

Votes required to lynch:

6

Current Deadline:

September 2, 2009 at ~6:00 P.M. CST (GMT -6)

Second Mod Deadline Review:

August 26, 2009 at ~6:00 P.M. CST (GMT -6)

[Pyromaniac]

Yes. Yes it is. Or it is something equally scummy.

. . .

Player A pushes Player B to claim
Player B claims town power role
Player A removes vote

This is not scummy at all. A considerable number of people would rather not lynch claimed power roles, even if they were suspicious of said person before the claim.

Of course, I am not one of those people. Unless a claim is confirmable I treat it as a minor point. Doc is not confirmable, and the lynch is a solid one. No reason for me to move my vote.

Player A puts vote back on. Yes. Yes it is.

[Pyromaniac]

/me notes kairyuu defending sajin

[Papa Zito]

ANOTHER third party flipped? (FL game - Flava Flave was a "Hitman", sounds like an SK) Holy crap, am I the only townie in this game?

I've let Mastin slide because of this:

Mastin will not be prodded due to extenuating circumstances, though I will remind him that this game exists if he does not post in a day or two

That time is up though, obviously.

Mod: Please prod Mastin

I haven't messed with Malthusis yet because he's been probing people.

I dunno what to make of Pyro. I'm waiting for a few more flips to see if some sort of recruiting role appears. If one doesn't pop up soon then it may be time to go after him again.

Veerus, if I shouldn't be attacking Vino, who should I be attacking?

[qwints]

However his claim sort of checks out with the card. And it is not unlike Tar to reject a night action due to incorrect submission.

*cough* SAFECLAIMS *cough*

As another player has said, if Vino doesn't claim in his next post what he TRIED to do last night, that's where my vote goes.

[malthusis]

@Malthusis- That is an incredibly scummy reason to add a vote imo. He said his ability does not need 2 targets, did you fully read his posts? Did your scumbuddies just tell you to throw your vote on the stack? (lame magic reference, could not resist)

Did you read his his claim? He clearly says:

I misread the role description so I gave him one target instead of two.

Which infers that he needed two targets.

Comments on Flava's lynch: I remember hearing of a Hitman role in MD somewhere, I'll try to find it and post a link here..........