Mini 788 - Fantasy Mafia [OVER]

[Goatrevolt]

Bah!

Why kill me over the confirmed townie, SK? Also why not kill every night?

If I had known there were multiple mafia factions, I might have played things a bit differently. I had planned to claim bulletproof, but then Tony claimed his role and I knew it would be suicide to claim a 2nd immune to NK role.

One flaw with the setup as I see it is I literally had no claim, and it looks like CDB was in the same boat. I think it was fairly clear, as Tony correctly guessed, that there were no vanillas in the setup but I seriously had nothing else I could claim. I think I would have still managed to win had SK shot Dizzy that last night (I vote Tony, and CDB hammer, game over), but I was dreading a mass claim all game.

Zazie, why claim the fake watch on me? You were in a good position until that point. I didn't understand it at the time (why pick me as well?) and still don't get it. Was it because I was on Shadow Knight?

No wonder day 4 was so lame. There were 2 townies, a survivor and 3 scum. In retrospect, I should have not pushed Shadow Knight so hard that last day, but I thought there was no way he was going to kill me considering I was the available mislynch for him to win off of.

[Goatrevolt]

Meh. SK screwed both him and me last night. Good game.

Also this. SK screwed over all 3 anti-town forces with his kill on me .

[orangepenguin]

I probably should've mentioned that I was probably the only "vanilla town" in the game, and that's why I got the extra vote. Oh well.

[orangepenguin]

GOOD GAME.

[orangepenguin]

Oh, and I thought it was painfully obvious that SK was scum after I died. So glad you lynched him. Had no clue who any of the others were.

[Goatrevolt]

I was worried there was a vanilla with the "you're the only 'nilla in this town" clause. I've seen it before, and fully expected to get gang raped on my vanilla claim. CDB claiming vanilla really helped a lot, as my claim helped him, prior to me getting shot up.

[TonyMontana]

Oh, and I thought it was painfully obvious that SK was scum after I died. So glad you lynched him. Had no clue who any of the others were.

He was killed by a dragon, actually -.-

[orangepenguin]

Oh, lol. He was going to get nk-ed anyways, by the looks of it.

[Goatrevolt]

Oh, lol. He was going to get nk-ed anyways, by the looks of it.

He did get NKed. You must mean lynched....

But yeah, SK was done for either way.

[orangepenguin]

He did get NKed. You must mean lynched....

LOL. I'll just stop talking.

[ortolan]

thanks for the game

The setting and flavour were cool and I liked the original elements of some of the roles.

I don't like the element that even if I'd played scum perfectly my partner still might have decided to double-cross me thereby making it impossible to win, nor did I like the strong kingmaker element to the final night's choices, but I guess that is inevitable with the bastard-modding element to our faction and the multiple scumgroups thing respectively.

[ChannelDelibird]

Mason/Neighbour pair? Sorry, Sens, but I think that's bastard modding. That aside, I really enjoyed this game, despite losing!

Here is the Draconic quicktopic. I kept talking after ort was lynched for post-game purposes. Details exactly why I am extremely frustrated at SK for killing Goat (or indeed anyone, really) last night.

I was originally going to claim a Hider variant for the Mermen (hiding underwater to avoid kills) but I figured that might get rumbled pretty quickly and when I saw Goat claim vanilla (I assumed he was town), I was happy to do the same. I guess it's kinda funny now.

And yeah, I kinda feel sorry for ort in that I could have (and would have, on night 2) killed him and he'd have had no chance of winning. Cool mechanic, but a little unfair, maybe.

[SensFan]

On the subject of the traitorous element to the Dragon roles, the only reason I included either was indeed because both of you could do it.
As for the Mason/Neighbour being 'bastard', I don't lie in my PMs, and I didn't lie in either PM. One said 'You know A to be Town', the other said 'You don't know B to be Town'. Neither said anything about if they were confirmed to their partner. The problem, in fact, was Andy not reading his PM. Emp asked in the QT 'So am I confirmed to you?', and the response was something to the effect of 'The Mod gave me your name and this link, so I guess so.'

[ortolan]

Based on Empking's role PM, specifically the "with a bad reputation" part, I wouldn't have been surprised if the "confirmed" status was asymmetrical.

[ortolan]

(as such I don't think that was bastard modding)

[Shadow Knight]

I reserved the right to call "no joy". I even tried to float the idea that the mafias share the victory, but no one wanted to listen.

[ChannelDelibird]

I reserved the right to call "no joy". I even tried to float the idea that the mafias share the victory, but no one wanted to listen.

I heard you, and I asked Sens on Night 4 if he'd theoretically allow a draw between Mafia A and Mafia B in a A, B and Townie endgame, but he of course said "I can't answer that", so I couldn't risk Rocks Fall Everyone Dies. This would have been the sensible thing for you to assume as well.

But seriously, why did you kill Goat? The only kill that didn't completely screw you over was Izzy, and the best play was to kill nobody at all.

[Shadow Knight]

I figured there was no way for me to win, so I might as well shoot Goat. Once Zazie came up Elven mafia, I was a dead man.

[Goatrevolt]

I figured there was no way for me to win, so I might as well shoot Goat. Once Zazie came up Elven mafia, I was a dead man.

Baaaaahhh!!! I thought it was highly unlikely that anyone would kill me, especially with confirmed town Dizzy still alive. I thought I might lose in a you guys lynch me, then shoot each other endgame scenario, but I didn't expect to be killed.

I even at one point laid down some terrible WIFOM telling Zazie to have his partner shoot me in hopes that would scare you off. I didn't want you to actually do it.

[Goatrevolt]

I liked your analysis, CDB. It was spot on for the most part. It just so happened that every single day there was a confirmed townie of sorts that made a perfect kill option so I wasn't too worried about being night killed (KMD/OP/and Dizzy was supposed to be!!!). I had to hold myself back from attacking people on a few occasions just to help ensure that nobody would shoot me.

I also felt I looked the most pro-town of anyone in the game (prior to claims), so I didn't feel the need to go out of my way to get more +town points. The Empking lynch makes a lot more sense now that I know there were like 4 anti-towns pushing that wagon .

Ultimately, it wouldn't have mattered whether you could convince people to vote me or not. If SK had killed Dizzy, I would have simply voted Tony immediately as we entered the day, and let you hammer him for the shared win.

[TonyMontana]

I was almost certain Goat was zazie's buddy during the last night

[Goatrevolt]

Meh. He tried to get me lynched with a fake claim, and then tried to blatantly suggest that I was scum after he was outed, while simultaneously trying to stop you from carrying through with your plan to screw over SK. SK was the best fit for scum buddy.

I still don't get why Zazie did it though. I hope he swings around to explain that.

[Kmd4390]

lol I was investigating CDB the night I died.

[TonyMontana]

Meh. He tried to get me lynched with a fake claim, and then tried to blatantly suggest that I was scum after he was outed, while simultaneously trying to stop you from carrying through with your plan to screw over SK. SK was the best fit for scum buddy.

I still don't get why Zazie did it though. I hope he swings around to explain that.

the play was so bad, I couldnt believe it was real

[ortolan]

wait a minute, how come there was only one kill a night on the first 3 nights????????