Boost Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[Porochaz]

Ill be back soon. I just need a day or two's break from the site.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Kise (4) -- Sir Tornado, Battle Mage, Kmd4390, OhGodMyLife

Not voting: Kise, Sajin, zwetschenwasser, Korejora, Empking, cateraction, semioldguy, Porochaz, Ether
13 alive, 7 to lynch.

Boosting

Kmd4390 (4) -- OhGodMyLife, cateraction, Empking, zwetschenwasser
Ether (3) -- OhGodMyLife, zwetschenwasser, Sajin
OhGodMyLife (5) -- Ether, Kmd4390, Sir Tornado, Empking, Kise
Battle Mage (4) -- Ether, Kmd4390, cateraction, Empking
Sajin (6) -- Ether, Kmd4390, cateraction, zwetschenwasser, Kise, semioldguy
Korejora (1) -- Kise
zwetschenwasser (1) -- semioldguy

Seeking a Sir Tornado replacement.

[Kmd4390]

@KMD - O rry? Also, are you at all nervous about receiving 2 boosts knowing that it paints a bullseye on your back?

Um are you like taunting me or something?

I suggested JOAT because there was no DK during the previous phases, so I believe it was a 1-shot ability. May not have been a role entitled JOAT, but I do believe whoever is responsible to be pro-town since a lot of people were saying Tajo was scum. Mafia would not have used that daykill if they thought Tajo was suspicious enough to get himself lynched... smart mafia, anyway.

I'd say Tajo being suspected is even

more

reason for him to be daykilled by a non-town role. That way, they look better when they eventually claim it. Now I'm not saying that it absolutely had to have come from scum. Just saying that there's no reason to clear Tajo's killer as town just yet.

[zwetschenwasser]

You're right. Kise seems to be taunting you.

FoS: Kise

[Sir Tornado]

Boost Sajin

Kise: I did some thinking, and decided that Ether does have a very good point. Hence the vote.

[semioldguy]

Mod: If a vanilla role received a boost during nighttime, would that player be notified of getting a boost despite it having no effect on that player?

Can we be sure that MissTake's role actually gave out boosts?

Even assuming we can be sure of that, there is no way to know that MissTake boosted someone each night (or if she had more than one boost to give regardless). We can't know if any of the players she boosted have since been killed. If MissTake chose to boost someone, it doesn't confirm that player as town. Do we assume that her role would be the only town role to give out boosts? There is much more potentially wrong with handling these boost claims as confirmation, but I don't see it going anywhere but becoming pointless speculation and distraction. Confirming other players in this way is not entirely reliable, nor do I think it to be wise. Too much speculation is involved in my opinion.

[Patrick]

If someone gets boosted to no effect, they won't get any message from me.

[Kise]

KMD, care to answer the question?

No, not a taunt. Just curious about your feelings on having 2 boosts. What's wrong with me assessing you? Not like I called you Kevey again.

[Kise]

Why do you find Kise to be likely town? I find him suspicious for his playing dumb when I know he is a better player and his poor handling of his role/claim.

You're referring to the game I was scum?

I think that he is a town because it was a claim that wasn't really necessary. I find that generally

scum do not false claim power roles just out of the blue, because that can lead to problems.

But in Kise's case there was an advantage -- to discourage the cop from investigating him. But, I think we can say that Kise wasn't about to get investigated by the cop anytime soon because of the presence of more scummy people around, so again there was no need for the claim.

The f*ck happened to this?

[semioldguy]

Why do you find Kise to be likely town? I find him suspicious for his playing dumb when I know he is a better player and his poor handling of his role/claim.

You're referring to the game I was scum?

I am referring to games in general, we've been in a couple together and I've read yet a couple others that you were in. The game you were scum in though is a mark against you in this case though, but it wasn't what I was referring to then. I think that your playing dumb (admittedly and intentionally) is not how a paranoid gun owner would be likely to play, regardless of whether or not Ether believes the mod would never use the role.

[OhGodMyLife]

Responding to prod, I've been out of town all weekend and just got home. I'll catch up tonight.

[Kise]

Game seems to be stalling... only 2 posts on Sunday and not a lot of action today. Zito would have kept this bitch active.

Mod: Any word from Kojejora?

[Sir Tornado]

I think that he is a town because it was a claim that wasn't really necessary. I find that generally

scum do not false claim power roles just out of the blue, because that can lead to problems.

But in Kise's case there was an advantage -- to discourage the cop from investigating him. But, I think we can say that Kise wasn't about to get investigated by the cop anytime soon because of the presence of more scummy people around, so again there was no need for the claim.

The f*ck happened to this?

The next paragraph gives a scenario where you would have had an advantage. It was a matter of deciding which scenario was more attractive.

Besides, there's things we can learn from your wagon, that I'd rather not go into till the appropriate moment.

[Korejora]

Reading still.

[Ether]

1 person who I still think is scum.

The fact Ether has not talked sense into you, or shown any indication she is reading what you are posting, makes me think i was too quick to judge her as protown. Neutral.

I've been in a mood.

But yeah, this conversation isn't helpful, we should boost and get Kore to say stuff and kill Kise already.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Kise (4) -- Sir Tornado, Battle Mage, Kmd4390, OhGodMyLife

Not voting: Kise, Sajin, zwetschenwasser, Korejora, Empking, cateraction, semioldguy, Porochaz, Ether
13 alive, 7 to lynch.

Boosting

Kmd4390 (3) -- OhGodMyLife, cateraction, zwetschenwasser
Ether (3) -- OhGodMyLife, zwetschenwasser, Sajin
OhGodMyLife (4) -- Ether, Kmd4390, Sir Tornado, Kise
Battle Mage (3) -- Ether, Kmd4390, cateraction
Korejora (1) -- Kise
zwetschenwasser (1) -- semioldguy

Sajin has been boosted. Everyone now has only 2 boost votes. Tornado is no longer being replaced.

[zwetschenwasser]

Unvote; Vote: Kise

[Kise]

No one is giving a good reason for my wagon other than following Ether. I expected zwet to do something non-sensical, but to the others who I asked about their votes, the replies I've gotten are a buncha bullshat.

Yep. Theory. Not scumhunting; therefore, filler and certainly not a good reason for 5 people to be boosting you. That's just baffling.

I'd compare what she's saying about me, Patrick & PGOs to be theory. Me lying about my role is a theory of hers, yet she's being boosted AND trusted?

I'm getting a pretty shitty end of the stick here. The mod disapproved of my bet, so basically Ether would go unpunished if I'm lynched. Why don't you guys boost her if I flip scum rather then do that now? She hasn't scumhunted as far as I've seen. All she's done is ride my ass and vaguely mention what it is about PGOs that Patrick dislikes.

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't like that you WANT her to be "punished". It's like you're threatening people not to lynch you or else!

[Kise]

Because I'm getting f*cked over by Ether, and not in a good old fashioned physical way.

[Sajin]

No one is giving a good reason for my wagon other than following Ether. I expected zwet to do something non-sensical, but to the others who I asked about their votes, the replies I've gotten are a buncha bullshat.

Yep. Theory. Not scumhunting; therefore, filler and certainly not a good reason for 5 people to be boosting you. That's just baffling.

I'd compare what she's saying about me, Patrick & PGOs to be theory. Me lying about my role is a theory of hers, yet she's being boosted AND trusted?

I'm getting a pretty shitty end of the stick here. The mod disapproved of my bet, so basically Ether would go unpunished if I'm lynched.

Why don't you guys boost her if I flip scum rather then do that now?

She hasn't scumhunted as far as I've seen. All she's done is ride my ass and vaguely mention what it is about PGOs that Patrick dislikes.

That seems an odd question from someone who claims they are town.

And now I am definitely dropping all conversation about boosts. For now.

[Kise]

Because Ether shouldn't earn boosts for supplying a horrible proposal. I'm suggesting that nobody blindly boost her until finding out whether she's right or wrong. If you're going to boost her today, then boost her for scumhunting... oh, wait, she's done none of that. She hasn't hopped off my back since D2, and it's either sheepish or opportunistic (as scum) for others to trust her for the hell of it. I don't have an opinion about her alignment because she's using an out-of-game reference to believe she's found scum. She's personally denying me a chance to get a read on her because she's [apparently] using her meta knowledge rather than playing normally.

[Battle Mage]

we arent following Ether. Yesterday you were scummy. (Responding to Prod)

BM

[Empking]

Vote; Kise

- He's reaction to the votes is a very agrressive scummy manner. It looks like scum who thinks the reasons on him aren't very good and he's getting lynched despite playing perfectly.

[Battle Mage]

playing perfectly? you are kidding me, right? :S