The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Devestation]

Lamont, stop being a jerk, and answer the questions.

[ZazieR]

The one about you 'suggesting' a no-lynch, which I apparently misunderstood and this one you ignored?:

So people who vote for you are scum? There are not 7 scum in this game. However, I would be hammering but I have a new theory. L-K is a jester. Rock's lurking, only posting meaningless shit looks exactly like a jester.

You've got to be kidding me.

Unvote; Vote; Pyromaniac

Why does this speculation warrant a vote?

Both are questions for scumhunting.
First, you love to hammer. This is shown in many games. Even in this one. So I wanted to know why you asked, as you aren't the type to no-lynch.
Second, answer first.

[ZazieR]

Now that we are talking about this again.

Zwet

, please rephrase what you were saying here:

Can we not have another no lynch today? Just saying.

[ZazieR]

Hm... how about a giant cup of wifom? I am the favorite for today's lynch. I cannot disprove this fact. However, what if we had the cop investigate me, so that the night kill is controlled to kill an innocent person with very little draw back. The cop may lose the investigation still, but the mafia will also somewhat waste a kill. If they decide not to waste the kill on me, I am proven innocent, and that is one step closer to finding scum AND we have whoever else they kill for information. My death supplies less as a lynch than it does control as the night kill. Even if the cop's investigation is wasted, I theorize this control (or attempted if th mafia are currently being controlled by the doll) would be extremely advantageous to us.

First of all, that's not WIFOM ._.
Anyway, no.
A question: How far are you with your read?

Hm... the kills went weird of the potential serial killer, John Defoe (Xtoxm) died. Is it possible that the ability for the mafia to control their kill is linked to either his life and losing it until the doll is destroyed?

Rephrase?

Other than that, claim and explain your vote on Tajo.

[ZazieR]

Actually, make that:

Other than that, claim and elaborate on your vote on Tajo.

[ZazieR]

Does anyone have any objections to me hammering?

Right now, yes.
Zwet and Lamont need to answer some questions. Both choose to ignore them.
And I want you to explain what happened to your thought of him being a jester.

[ZazieR]

Lamontand Zwet, stop being jerks, and answer the questions.

This.


Quote Pyramide, until Lamont and Zwet have answered.

[ZazieR]

other question: I didn't see anything about it in the rules; is a bah post allowed?

Mod - Could you answer the above question?

Mod - Can you answer the above question? Also, can you tell us if the doll has been transferred to Light-Kun? And can you tell us if Amished has picked up his prod?

[zwetschenwasser]

Now that we are talking about this again.

Zwet

, please rephrase what you were saying here:

Can we not have another no lynch today? Just saying.

I'm sick of the no lynches and I don't want another one.

[Knight of Cydonia]

A single "Bah!" post is acceptable, and obviously, no game information should be included in it. Amished has 45 hours to pick up his prod, and has not yet.

[ZazieR]

Now that we are talking about this again.

Zwet

, please rephrase what you were saying here:

Can we not have another no lynch today? Just saying.

I'm sick of the no lynches and I don't want another one.

Strange timing if true.

[zwetschenwasser]

I know. But strange timing is not a scumtell.

[ZazieR]

So people who vote for you are scum? There are not 7 scum in this game. However, I would be hammering but I have a new theory. L-K is a jester. Rock's lurking, only posting meaningless shit looks exactly like a jester.

You've got to be kidding me.

Unvote; Vote; Pyromaniac

Why does this speculation warrant a vote?

And now this^^

[zwetschenwasser]

It's scummy speculation.

[Percy]

Wow, that was a long game. Here are my notes from my re-read.

Pyromaniac Day 1

Offer to drink seems designed to fail
Scum read from case on Naomi. Opportunistic.
No defence offered when attacked; defended the awesomeness of the decanter discussion (oh god reading that was terrible) but didn't want to talk about it after it was over.

Pyromaniac Day 2

Still scumvibing. In general posts a small amount, and his pushing of the Naomi wagon doesn't read town to me.

Regarding Page (Yes, Page) 57:

Pyro, you called Shadow lurker scum. Now, he''s been replaced, yet you didn''t mention this after the replacement got in. Why''s this?
Also, why did you vote Setael after you realised she didn''t replace Shadow?

Interesting questions. Poorly answered.
I find full lists of suspicions to be a fairly anti-town move. It's very useful for scum to decide on NKs. Pyro encourages this, and with especially unclear and easy to cheat "out of ten" lists.
Very scummy pseudo-hammer of Devestation. For no reason I can see, Devestation earns a 3/10 on Pyro's list. Then he hammered, quite a long time later. Looking back, he votes Dev for vigging in 1350, and then without anyone else posting puts his vote on sironigous instead.
Advocates speedlynching before deadline. However, jumps in on Steph for nebulous reasons.
Do not like his reaction to Setael's case on dramonic, at all. Very defensive.

Pyromaniac Day 3

zwet seems like town zwet, not that I have ever played a game with him.

Add that to the scummy post list.
Don't like his attitude towards the Setael post-match-claim wagon.

Pyromaniac Day 4

Jester speculation, wtf.

Conclusion: I think Pyro is probably scum. I'd be happy with his lynch. I also think he's been getting less attention than he should have been.

Shadow Knight Day 1

Brought up No Lynch
Fairly ineffectual

dramonic Day 2

"Post analysis of Rock" in 2323 seems a little after-the-fact, so I'm not sold on his towniness like others (such as Dev) seemed to be at the time. However, Rockatansky's reaction wasn't that great either.
Contradictory opinions on Setael. Scummy. Poor response to Amished's case.
Setael makes a good case in 2529.

dramonic Day 3

Really don't like 2667 - jumping on Rock's wagon.
Also don't like the way he unvotes and jumps back on Setael's wagon.

dramonic Day 4

Advocates a Sironigous or a L-K lynch straight up. Not the two obvious candidates, imo.

Conclusion: dramonic is too often playing (what I think is)

tactically

, rather than based of reads and evidence. Probably scum.

populartajo Day 1

"Xtomx is probably town"
Little content generated

populartajo Day 2

Confirmation of Dev's PM points town.

populartajo Day 4

Really fuels the L-K lynch with the doll proposal.

Conclusion: Hasn't been one of the more active players, but I had town vibes before. It occurs to me that if he was given the doll and knows it can't be passed, this would be the best play. IGMEOY.

Lamont_Cranston Day 1

Bizarre attitude to hohum early D1
Dodges Steph's calls for him to drink it, seems very defensive about it.
His attitude towards the drink is bizarre. I don't like it at all. He also reads Pyro favourably in 683, and others were far more scummy imo.
Terrible defence to Amished's case, e.g. 748
775 looks bad, given X's flip
Calls for counterclaim with Naomi

Lamont_Cranston Day 2

L_C's exchange with Amished when he was going "ARRGH" all the time gives me strong pro-town vibes. He lied, but that's a big lie to tell and had (ostensibly) good motives. Makes much more sense than scum-L_C. His post:

I just woke up and I can barely even see but I need to write this right now...

Whoever visited me last night (if you haven't already claimed), for obvious reasons, DON'T CLAIM.

Apparently I was supposed die but someone visited me last night and touched the shell. I felt a healing light and now the shell is back to warm to the touch.

...makes me not willing to completely take him off my radar. This could have been horribly misleading information down the track.
1889 is fucking impossible to read. Don't post fresh content in post tags, ffs.
1894, lulz. Straining my suspension of disbelief.
Eagerness to lynch Nyx is indicative of his desire to clear his name, imo. Also an incredible lack of perspective.
{ooc: I would love to see a game with both L_C and AA23, they'd get on like a house on fire...}

Lamont_Cranston Day 4

Why do people think he has the doll?

Conclusion: I'm happy to assume L_C is town for the moment, but this doll changing alignment is making things very difficult to keep track of.

Stephoscope Day 1

Townish read, though the Replacement makes some good points about her voting strategy.
Apologies for thinking you were a girl. "Steph" is most frequently a shortening of "Stephanie", so perhaps that's why.

Stephoscope Day 2

An OK wagon built, with some scummy behaviour identified well. Turnaround on Naomi is worth noting.
Response in 1906 reads pro-town to me.
Didn't answer the Replacement's case adequately.
Believe her claim. Scum-steph and his scum-buddies would know the Trilby claim to be accurate. If this was a scumclaim and they lynch Naomi before he dies, she looks great. If Steph gets vigged or lynched before that, though, Trilby is almost confirmed - and as unNKable, would be a huge problem later and would have to be endgamed. Too risky to claim this, so I'm going with Steph-protown for now.

Stephoscope Day 3

Reports Pablo correctly.

Conclusion: So town it hurts.

Devestation Day 1

Opportunistic L_C vote?
Why vote L_C and then tell him not to let the "time bomb" go off?
Major scumread.

Devestation Day 2

Poor contribution, IIoA and active lurking at the beginning of the day.
Post 1370 gives me bad vibes. Like he's trying to help build a case on Setael for no good reason I can see.
Agree with Steph's assessment of his play in 1363.
His claim seems pretty solid. He seriously pushed it with quoting his PM, though. My illustrious predecessor already fucking claimed for me, so unless the scum are also sent the vanilla PM, Dev is town.

Devestation Day 3

Cleared by Naomi. (Stupid investigate target, goddamn).

Conclusion: Again, town.

zwetschenwasser Day 1

zwet uses meta argument against Sironigous. Unpersuasive.

zwetschenwasser Day 2

His chainsaw defence of L_C in 1241 seems scummy. Far too quick to think L_C is so town that anyone attacking him must be stupid. zwet forms opinions quickly, but there is a method in the madness. zwet is reading scum.
After Sironigous' (good) suggestion that Naomi be left for a day, zwet immediately tries to break it up. More scumpoints for zwet.

There are very few powerroles in this game...

*facepalm*
This is just a stupid post. How could either zwet-town or zwet-scum know anything like this? But doing disruptively stupid things is something I can believe of scum-zwet.
1686 he does it again
2281 seals the deal for me. zwet is scum.

zwetschenwasser Day 3

3009 - "I'm of the opinion that Stephoscope and Setael are the same alignment." Wonder why that is. Again with the useless, mildly disruptive posts.
Votes Amished, then backs off without unvoting. Absolutely bizarre.
Votes Light-Kun fairly early on. No good reasons stated, and it wasn't a hammer. Very uncharacteristic.
Claims townie.

Conclusion: Scum. Need to lynch asap.

NuevaVida Day 1

Self-votes
"Like I said I am willing to take this potion. I hope it helps town" - scummy as hell
Possible n00b

Rockatansky Day 2

Fairly null at the beginning
1608 made me laugh
Poor response to dramonic case

Light-kun Day 4

Aside from his refusal to claim, I haven't found him scummy. I think the Rockatansky case was overstated to begin with, and I've got to say that I'm really not seeing the Light-kun case today.

Since I don't have the doll, I'll

give the doll to Light-kun

Conclusion: populartajo's forcing of Light-kun into this position was not cool. It seems a little bizarre that you could give away an item that changed your Win Condition, and I'm just not buying the case. There is no way I'm voting for him right now. I'm open to cases, as it's entirely possible I've missed something, but this wagon is scummy and not worth my time.

Amished Day 1

Townie points for case against L_C and well thought out posts
Claimed doc

Amished Day 2

Claim seems confirmed
I am very glad Amished is town - level-headed and sensible posts abound

Conclusion: I wish Amished was around more often. Lurking sucks. Oh yeah, he's town.

Setael Day 1

Fairly null read, though some analysis that I agree with.

Setael Day 2

Don't like Devesation's case against her. Also, her "slip" was nothing of the sort.
2529 is an excellent summation against dramonic. Town vibes.

Setael Day 3

lol@2751. Also, continued townvibes.

The matches are not transferable. I have to keep them and I must be alive at end game for a town win. If I'm not alive at endgame the best the town can get is a draw. The mod also confirmed that the scum do not need the matches to win.

I believed this when I saw it, given how Pablo reacted the day before.

Setael Day 4

Cleared by Steph.

Conclusion: Town. Yes, perhaps her WC might change, but in terms of non-SK-scum, Setael is not one of them.

ZazieR Day 2

Overall a very aggressive vibe. I particularly dislike her attitude towards Naomi, as well as Steph.

ZazieR Day 3

Still aggressive. Still not sure what to make of it. Signs of tunnelling on Steph, which is usually a towntell for me.
Naomi vote in 2874 threw me.
Also, her unvoting of Set doesn't read pro-town.

Conclusion: Hard to say one way or another. I'd like to see more of her and maybe do an ISO on her, but not tonight.

@Mod: Impressive catch on Pablo.

OK, so here's most lynchy through to least lynchy:

{zwetschenwasser}
{dramonic, Pyromaniac}
{populartajo}
{ZazieR, Light-kun}
{L_C, Devestation}
{Steph, Amished, Setael}

Vote: zwetschenwasser

*collapses*

[Pyromaniac]

Does anyone have any objections to me hammering?

Right now, yes.
Zwet and Lamont need to answer some questions. Both choose to ignore them.
And I want you to explain what happened to your thought of him being a jester.

I forgot about NuevidaVeuid. This means Scummy and semi-useless player rep. Useless player Rep. Useless player. I think over half of the useless lurkers that have been in this game have been on that account.

[Pyromaniac]

Also, the only reason I didn't vote to "vig" deves was that I found stepho more scummy.

[dramonic]

Conclusion: dramonic is too often playing (what I think is) tactically, rather than based of reads and evidence. Probably scum.

Not sure I understand what you mean, "too" tactically.

[zwetschenwasser]

So... I'm scum because of my opinions on the game.

[Percy]

@Pyro: You

did

vote to vig Deves, after the wagon had already pretty much reached its conclusion, with very little reasoning.

@dramonic: Sometimes voting for someone randomly and starting a wagon is good town tactical play. However, I get the strong impression that your voting and discussion is designed to eliminate certain players from consideration (such as today), or focus on a player for poorly developed reasons (such as your "case" against Rock, which seemed to emerge after you had been prodded for one).

@zwet: Yes? Is that a bad thing? Also, that's not the only reason, nice try though.
I don't understand the point of your post, except to misrepresent the case I have made against you by oversimplifying it.

Looking at the reactions of these three players, I'm more certain of my scumreads on each of them. When I have a little more time (today or tomorrow) I'll collect my thoughts and quotes on each and do some meticulous scumhunting.

[Pyromaniac]

Dev was going to be "vigged" anyways. As I recall, though I am not 100% sure, we were "vigging" whomever had the most votes at the set deadline.

[Percy]

So why did you find it necessary to vote?

[populartajo]

I like the Percy catchup post except for two things that I think need clarification:

1) I didnt fuel the Light kun lynch with my doll plan. I was clear enough that the plan for the day was to give the doll to the lynch of the day, didnt matter which player. Its a fact that Rocka active lurked and I just dont find any protown motivation in Kun refusal to claim (when this could have been the only way to at least try to clear him) and in his vote, so what fueled Light lynch was this and not my plan.

2) Do you think Light kun refusal to claim is scummy? What about his plan and his vote for me?

[Pyromaniac]

I didn't.

[Pyromaniac]

I didn't. I voted because I was still hoping to lynch that day (foolish me).