The Sopranos: A Deadly Game (GAME OVER!)

[ZONEACE]

how about the fact that you refuse to scum hunt unless someone says "im scum"
but dont get so defensive, im on your side. zwet is the one thats distracting the town.

then why say "the last six post are unhelpful" when in reality, it wasn't the last six posts. And i NEVER said i wouldn't scum hunt, i said i wouldn't be changing my vote. I believe that zwet should and must be the lynch today because he has made it clear that he has no intention of helping the town or even attempting to contribute, even when called out about being nothing but a one liner, he continues to be one.

PRESSURE ON ZWET IS GOOD PLAY.

[al_kohaulec]

Why are we talking about mechanics anyways?

Vote Alko

for starting up this whole discussion

Why are you claiming I started this conversation? Because I attacked somebody who accused somebody of being mafia simply for making the least money?

I contributed after the discussion started, yes, and I believe those who are saying that we need to do scumhunting and not discuss role mechanics are right, but I would not say I started this discussion.

[MafiaSSK]

Why are we talking about mechanics anyways?

Vote Alko

for starting up this whole discussion

Why are you claiming I started this conversation? Because I attacked somebody who accused somebody of being mafia simply for making the least money?

I contributed after the discussion started, yes, and I believe those who are saying that we need to do scumhunting and not discuss role mechanics are right, but I would not say I started this discussion.

Wait, who'd you accuse?

Unvote

[al_kohaulec]

FoS: Zwet

For his OMGUSy vote on Zoneace. I'd call Zoneace's vote OMGUS, except he was attacking and FOSing Zwet just before his vote, so it's not.

Zwet's vote doesn't appear to have any reasoning behind it either. He's been contributing to the whole job/salary discussion, then when a few players start saying it's a scummy distraction, it looks like he jumps on that bandwagon and cries out scum at the "unknown person" who started the distraction, and then OMGUS votes Zoneace for FoSing him and calling him a lurker.

Vote: Zwet

I saw some of his posts from D1 as potentially excusable, he could've had a reason for them, but it could have gone either way. Now he's looking too opportunistic.

[ZONEACE]

CJmiller is the one that attacked Raj for making so little money.

[al_kohaulec]

@Zoneace,
and I attacked (or rather questioned pending an attack) CJ for attacking Raj for that reason.

Why are we talking about mechanics anyways?

Vote Alko

for starting up this whole discussion

Why are you claiming I started this conversation? Because I attacked somebody who accused somebody of being mafia simply for making the least money?

I contributed after the discussion started, yes, and I believe those who are saying that we need to do scumhunting and not discuss role mechanics are right, but I would not say I started this discussion.

Wait, who'd you accuse?

Unvote

You might not call it much of an accusation, but this is what I said, directed at CJMiller.

Vote: rajrhcpfreak

You aren't making enough to please the Family. You must be whacked.

So you're voting for a player who chose to make money instead of kill somebody last night?

And I'm not going to comment yet on this, because CJMiller still has yet to respond, or even to post since then.


But back to you voting me for starting this discussion. Do you think I scummily derailed town with a devious plan to rile up discussion on jobs and salary with that post above? Cause if not, I didn't post again until 3 days, 2 pages later, after the town was deep in discussion on that topic.

FoS: MafiaSSK

How do you possibly conclude that I started this anyways? Especially considering I wasn't here for most of it. That's a pretty wild, and faulty, accusation.

[MafiaSSK]

CJmiller is the one that attacked Raj for making so little money.

Right then.

Vote CJ

[ZONEACE]

@Zoneace,
and I attacked (or rather questioned pending an attack) CJ for attacking Raj for that reason.

Oh yeah, i was just answering SSk's question of who.

[MafiaSSK]

Why are we talking about mechanics anyways?

Vote Alko

for starting up this whole discussion

Why are you claiming I started this conversation? Because I attacked somebody who accused somebody of being mafia simply for making the least money?

I contributed after the discussion started, yes, and I believe those who are saying that we need to do scumhunting and not discuss role mechanics are right, but I would not say I started this discussion.

Wait, who'd you accuse?

Unvote

You might not call it much of an accusation, but this is what I said, directed at CJMiller.

Vote: rajrhcpfreak

You aren't making enough to please the Family. You must be whacked.

So you're voting for a player who chose to make money instead of kill somebody last night?

And I'm not going to comment yet on this, because CJMiller still has yet to respond, or even to post since then.


But back to you voting me for starting this discussion. Do you think I scummily derailed town with a devious plan to rile up discussion on jobs and salary with that post above? Cause if not, I didn't post again until 3 days, 2 pages later, after the town was deep in discussion on that topic.

FoS: MafiaSSK

How do you possibly conclude that I started this anyways? Especially considering I wasn't here for most of it. That's a pretty wild, and faulty, accusation.

I was trying to think quickly who started it and you came to mind. It wasn't a well thought out vote.

[al_kohaulec]

CJmiller is the one that attacked Raj for making so little money.

Right then.

Vote CJ

Okay, I can see now why you voted me with your pretense. But now I have to ask what you find scummy about CJ's actions? You're voting him for starting this entire discussion that "derailed us from scumhunting" so to speak. But he simply voted Raj for making the least money and hasn't posted since. I am not seeing any logic or reason in your vote for CJ that sounds justified.

[MafiaSSK]

CJmiller is the one that attacked Raj for making so little money.

Right then.

Vote CJ

Okay, I can see now why you voted me with your pretense. But now I have to ask what you find scummy about CJ's actions? You're voting him for starting this entire discussion that "derailed us from scumhunting" so to speak. But he simply voted Raj for making the least money and hasn't posted since. I am not seeing any logic or reason in your vote for CJ that sounds justified.

How is distracting from scumhunting not scummy?

And his vote was really loigicless.

[ZONEACE]

still would love some more input on my suggestion of an income claim.

[al_kohaulec]

CJmiller is the one that attacked Raj for making so little money.

Right then.

Vote CJ

Okay, I can see now why you voted me with your pretense. But now I have to ask what you find scummy about CJ's actions? You're voting him for starting this entire discussion that "derailed us from scumhunting" so to speak. But he simply voted Raj for making the least money and hasn't posted since. I am not seeing any logic or reason in your vote for CJ that sounds justified.

How is distracting from scumhunting not scummy?

And his vote was really loigicless.

His vote really was logicless, but that wasn't the basis for your vote.

The basis for your vote was that CJMiller was distracting the town from scumhunting.

I don't see how CJ's post could have been intentioned as such a big distraction from scumhunting. I would probably agree with whoever said it before, that it was organic. If you tried to put the sole blame on any one player, I could understand Raj or somebody else, but I do not see how CJ's post was meant as a distraction to the town.

[al_kohaulec]

still would love some more input on my suggestion of an income claim.

As far as this and a mass-job-claim, I don't have a strong opinion, but am leaning against it.

I feel that there is too much risk in giving away too much information to the mafia if we claim that (either claim). I don't know how MoS set up the game, so that may not be the case, but right now I don't want to risk it.

[MafiaSSK]

CJmiller is the one that attacked Raj for making so little money.

Right then.

Vote CJ

Okay, I can see now why you voted me with your pretense. But now I have to ask what you find scummy about CJ's actions? You're voting him for starting this entire discussion that "derailed us from scumhunting" so to speak. But he simply voted Raj for making the least money and hasn't posted since. I am not seeing any logic or reason in your vote for CJ that sounds justified.

How is distracting from scumhunting not scummy?

And his vote was really loigicless.

His vote really was logicless, but that wasn't the basis for your vote.

The basis for your vote was that CJMiller was distracting the town from scumhunting.

I don't see how CJ's post could have been intentioned as such a big distraction from scumhunting. I would probably agree with whoever said it before, that it was organic. If you tried to put the sole blame on any one player, I could understand Raj or somebody else, but I do not see how CJ's post was meant as a distraction to the town.

When he voted, he knew he could start a discussion about his reasoning. With a reasoning about mechanics, it's easy to get the town distracted from finding scum.

[ZONEACE]

I feel that there is too much risk in giving away too much information to the mafia if we claim that (either claim). I don't know how MoS set up the game, so that may not be the case, but right now I don't want to risk it.

But MoS didn't feel there was sufficient risk (to either side) to reveal 3 of the earners and their earnings each day.

[ZONEACE]

EBWOP

I'm not being argumentative, just raising a counterpoint.

[al_kohaulec]

Zoneace,
You bring up a good point to consider, but I'm not sold on it yet. I will at least have to think about it some more, but as of now, I'm still against it more than for it.

CJmiller is the one that attacked Raj for making so little money.

Right then.

Vote CJ

Okay, I can see now why you voted me with your pretense. But now I have to ask what you find scummy about CJ's actions? You're voting him for starting this entire discussion that "derailed us from scumhunting" so to speak. But he simply voted Raj for making the least money and hasn't posted since. I am not seeing any logic or reason in your vote for CJ that sounds justified.

How is distracting from scumhunting not scummy?

And his vote was really loigicless.

His vote really was logicless, but that wasn't the basis for your vote.

The basis for your vote was that CJMiller was distracting the town from scumhunting.

I don't see how CJ's post could have been intentioned as such a big distraction from scumhunting. I would probably agree with whoever said it before, that it was organic. If you tried to put the sole blame on any one player, I could understand Raj or somebody else, but I do not see how CJ's post was meant as a distraction to the town.

When he voted, he knew he could start a discussion about his reasoning. With a reasoning about mechanics, it's easy to get the town distracted from finding scum.

While I am finding CJ suspicious, I am finding this a very poor excuse to vote him.

When you say "When he voted,

he knew

..." you are getting very speculative and assuming quite a bit. I don't expect the typical player to try to plan out every which way his/her vote will be interpreted/discussed by the rest of the town when it's made, and by a player such as CJ, I would expect it much less so. And most players's votes are not dragged into such a huge town discussion, not to mention dragged into such independent of any future actions by the player who "initiated" it.

[ZONEACE]

Zoneace,
You bring up a good point to consider, but I'm not sold on it yet. I will at least have to think about it some more, but as of now, I'm still against it more than for it.

Fair enough.

[MafiaSSK]

CJmiller is the one that attacked Raj for making so little money.

Right then.

Vote CJ

Okay, I can see now why you voted me with your pretense. But now I have to ask what you find scummy about CJ's actions? You're voting him for starting this entire discussion that "derailed us from scumhunting" so to speak. But he simply voted Raj for making the least money and hasn't posted since. I am not seeing any logic or reason in your vote for CJ that sounds justified.

How is distracting from scumhunting not scummy?

And his vote was really loigicless.

His vote really was logicless, but that wasn't the basis for your vote.

The basis for your vote was that CJMiller was distracting the town from scumhunting.

I don't see how CJ's post could have been intentioned as such a big distraction from scumhunting. I would probably agree with whoever said it before, that it was organic. If you tried to put the sole blame on any one player, I could understand Raj or somebody else, but I do not see how CJ's post was meant as a distraction to the town.

When he voted, he knew he could start a discussion about his reasoning. With a reasoning about mechanics, it's easy to get the town distracted from finding scum.

While I am finding CJ suspicious, I am finding this a very poor excuse to vote him.

When you say "When he voted,

he knew

..." you are getting very speculative and assuming quite a bit. I don't expect the typical player to try to plan out every which way his/her vote will be interpreted/discussed by the rest of the town when it's made, and by a player such as CJ, I would expect it much less so. And most players's votes are not dragged into such a huge town discussion, not to mention dragged into such independent of any future actions by the player who "initiated" it.

I am

not

saying he consciencously knew that. But it was in the background though process. Most players votes when not regarding a trivial topic are not dragged into a huge town discussion. But when it is a trivial topic such as mechanics ist starts it.

[zwetschenwasser]

I fail to see how an income claim would in any way help us.

[Locke Lamora]

I've got my eye on inHim as well for following me straight on to mneme. I don't see how an income claim would help either; if anything, it's going to perpetuate this mechanics discussion even longer.

[elvis_knits]

Why are we talking about mechanics anyways?

Vote Alko

for starting up this whole discussion

^SSK is a GG.

Also, very much agreed with LL re: mneme.

GGs

SSK
zwet

BGs

mneme
alko/raj - would like this sorted out

vote: mneme

This whole post worries me.

As GG's he picks two players with anti-town play styles. I do not necessarily feel that they are scum this game (I feel neutral on them), but I would never put them down as my top two townies. For one thing, I don't know what they have done that is so pro-town, but also, it makes me worried that inhim is elevating these two players to town leaders.

Then the mneme thing is weird because it's just a straight agreement with lockelamora, with nothing else. No explanation or individual thought. and I think he's done that before this game (unless I am mixing up my memories of other game... we're in a few together right now).

Also, mneme comes out of nowhere as a suspect for me, so I don't really agree with it.

[elvis_knits]

Actually... revising thoughts on zwet. I don't like the OMGUS on zone.

Actively lurking. YOU MUST BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!! :evil

Unvote; Vote: ZONEACE

[zwetschenwasser]

It wasn't just that post why I voted him.