Mini 788 - Fantasy Mafia [OVER]

[ZazieR]

There's really no downside to it.

Yes, there is. How big does the sign saying 'Hint' need to be?

[ChannelDelibird]

Can we please lynch Zazie now?

[Goatrevolt]

That plan nails SK to the wall and forces him into making an action that we can verify. There are no downsides.

And I agree with CDB.

[TonyMontana]

Even if Zazie flips something else than Draconic, I don't see the problem with taking SK out of the picture tonight.

[Starbuck]

Wait, what if Zazie has something in her win condition to be lynched?

[Goatrevolt]

Even if Zazie flips something else than Draconic, I don't see the problem with taking SK out of the picture tonight.

Agreed. Regardless of what happens with Zazie, SK is still really likely to be scum because his tracker claim doesn't add up with a pro-town mindset.

[ZazieR]

Even if Zazie flips something else than Draconic, I don't see the problem with taking SK out of the picture tonight.

Two scumteams.
Explain how it works in this case.

[TonyMontana]

Then he wins.

Vote: Zazier

[ZazieR]

Wait, what if Zazie has something in her win condition to be lynched?

I don't

[Goatrevolt]

Wait, what if Zazie has something in her win condition to be lynched?

It's possible, although I think it's unlikely. Zazie could have gotten lynched earlier in the game if this was the case. The fact that he didn't make his bad claim until lynch or lose in an obvious ploy to get me lynched over the likely scum SK suggests otherwise.

[TonyMontana]

Two scumteams.
Explain how it works in this case.

It doesn't have to "work"

[Goatrevolt]

Even if Zazie flips something else than Draconic, I don't see the problem with taking SK out of the picture tonight.

Two scumteams.
Explain how it works in this case.

Even if there are 19 scum teams, SK is still almost definitely scum. Forcing scum to make a suboptimal night action is always good.

[ZazieR]

Two scumteams.
Explain how it works in this case.

It doesn't have to "work"

Explain. SK targets you with his tracker ability, and then what?

[Starbuck]

Then he wins.

Vote: Zazier

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[ZazieR]

Even if Zazie flips something else than Draconic, I don't see the problem with taking SK out of the picture tonight.

Two scumteams.
Explain how it works in this case.

Even if there are 19 scum teams, SK is still almost definitely scum. Forcing scum to make a suboptimal night action is always good.

Shut up scum. TM is easily to mislead.
I hope TM thinks this through, because if he listens to you, they lose.

[ZazieR]

Then he wins.

Vote: Zazier

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And in the event that will decide who wins, miss continues to count.

[Goatrevolt]

It forces SK-scum to target Tony with his ability. And we learn who targets Tony because it's stated in the mod's opening post of the day. We can force scum to target a player of our choice and we will have verification of it.

No downsides.

Also, you're right. I'm misleading Tony by agreeing with his own plan .

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Just need Dizzy or SK to hammer. Or Zazie, who so badly wants to be lynched could hammer himself, of course, unless he wants to spew more lies out before the end of the day. It's whatever you want.

[ZazieR]

As said, I want my team to win or town, not yours. And with this plan, as you know, that's going to happen.
TM needs to realise the downside to this plan as there are two scumteams.

Also, Goat, how come you are so certain that Shadow-scum can't kill and track at the same night?

[ZazieR]

In other words, Izzy and Shadow, don't hammer until TM has realised why this plan means the end for town.

[Shadow Knight]

I'm not targetting Tony tonight. I hate to throw this monkey wrench into everyone's plans, but I'm not scum. Goat or CDB must be scum with Zazie. I say we lynch Zazie and go to night. That leaves 5 players alive. Me, Goat, Tony, CDB, and Dizzy. I don't think there are 3 scum left regardless of whether there are 1 or 2 factions, because if there were, then the 3 scum could simply agree to share vicotry over the town and the game would be over.

The scum will want to leave me alive so they can lead the mislynch against me tomorrow. They can't target Tony because even if he's lying about being un-nightkillable, he'd probably still mark whoever targetted him. Dizzy is confirmed town. That means the remaining scum has to be either Goat or CDB.

[ChannelDelibird]

SK, if you are town, not co-operating makes no sense.

[Goatrevolt]

Translation of Zazie's posts:

"I'm screwed. Tony's plan screws SK. We're going to lose. Let me pretend to actually care about the town winning in a blatant (and completely baseless, because I have no reasons whatsoever) plea to get the town to not follow the easy game winning plan Tony suggested. Maybe some poor sap will believe my 'I want the town to win' claim and my completely unsupported 'there are two scum teams' claim. If that's the case, SK might have a chance. But first, the town has to ignore Tony's plan! Even though I have no reasons, and quite frankly there are no reasons why this is a bad plan, I'm going to hope that me continuing to tell the town it's bad will cause people to listen!"

Now why couldn't you have just said that?

[Goatrevolt]

I'm not targetting Tony tonight. I hate to throw this monkey wrench into everyone's plans, but I'm not scum. Goat or CDB must be scum with Zazie. I say we lynch Zazie and go to night. That leaves 5 players alive. Me, Goat, Tony, CDB, and Dizzy. I don't think there are 3 scum left regardless of whether there are 1 or 2 factions, because if there were, then the 3 scum could simply agree to share vicotry over the town and the game would be over.

The scum will want to leave me alive so they can lead the mislynch against me tomorrow. They can't target Tony because even if he's lying about being un-nightkillable, he'd probably still mark whoever targetted him. Dizzy is confirmed town. That means the remaining scum has to be either Goat or CDB.

Yeah, no. Not targeting Tony is a straight admission that you're scum. If you are truly town, and want to avoid this "mislynch" of you, then you would target Tony to clear yourself.

But as it turns out, you're scum, and it must suck to get corralled into a losing plan.

[Shadow Knight]

Oh, and I meant to say this earlier, but there is a difference between "no one targetted so-and-so" and "no result". I got "no result" on OP. I targetted KMD because I wanted to know who he targetted (aka who he was suspicious of). He chose CDB.

[ZazieR]

I'm sorry Goat, but after my flip, TM will realise how you are controlling him as a puppet for your own needs. My team can only get a draw out at best. Your team can actually win.