This post is probably a little bit of a stretch, but his play today has been just trying to scrape by.Shotty to the Body wrote:Guard got infected? Guard didn't want to shoot someone when they weren't sure of alignment? How does the phrasing of the mod's post imply no security guard? It's pretty clear that Malthisus died of infection according to the death post, I'm pretty sure somewhere in D1 we talked about the guard not randomly shooting people if he wasn't sure.
Ok, serious times now. The way i see it, our best chance to win is to nail scum today. If we have 1 scum, we can potentially win it. If we have 2 scum, the odds are still favouring scum to win (which imo, makes the setup greatly unbalanced).Kid Know Nothing wrote:I don't really see the point.Battle Mage wrote:Maybe a Kelly Chen lynch is a good idea.Vote: Kelly Chen
Anyone else want to weigh in?
I get what you meant by her being a prospect infected but that's pretty weak reasoning. Maybe lynches suck, imo.
I didnt. And it's fairly obvious i didnt. The vote is inside quote tags. It does not count.veerus wrote:BM, your quote tag is messed up and it looks like you unvoted & voted for me.
KC, I meant that Kise's playstyle was very different from how PP was playing and it is my belief that such a difference likely implies a scum replacement since everyone has their own idea of how to play scum best while there's usually only one way to play townie.
At the beginning of your post you say you think it likely he was infected last night based upon his day one play. Then you go on to say that today that it looks like he was concerned with whether or not Malthusis' infetion was successful, which means he had to have begun the game as an infected for that to be the case. It can't be both.charter wrote:Upon going over Shotty's posts today, I got a bad feeling that he might be an infected (his play yesterday leads me to believe he was infected last night). He's posted a few times today, but largely said nothing of much importance.
Also, this post seems like he panicked that malthusis's infection didn't go throughThis post is probably a little bit of a stretch, but his play today has been just trying to scrape by.Shotty to the Body wrote:Guard got infected? Guard didn't want to shoot someone when they weren't sure of alignment? How does the phrasing of the mod's post imply no security guard? It's pretty clear that Malthisus died of infection according to the death post, I'm pretty sure somewhere in D1 we talked about the guard not randomly shooting people if he wasn't sure.
Even just hypothetically, how could someone's play yesterday suggest that?charter wrote:Upon going over Shotty's posts today, I got a bad feeling that he might be an infected (his play yesterday leads me to believe he was infected last night)
If we have 1 scumOk, serious times now. The way i see it, our best chance to win is to nail scum today. If we have 1 scum, we can potentially win it. If we have 2 scum, the odds are still favouring scum to win (which imo, makes the setup greatly unbalanced).
Why?charter wrote:I could go for a RV lynch today perhaps.
mediocre, as opposed to?Kelly Chen wrote:I just reread Rally and charter. I'll keep my Rally thoughts to myself for the moment, but I was surprised to feel that there is not much keeping charter from beingoriginalscum. Given his D1 suspicions I now tend to think he would've been a mediocre recruitment choice.
I'm leaning more 50-50 now between 3 and 2 scum starting. But, given the possibility of there only being 2, and the fact that we have absolutely no consensus on who could have been scum on Day 1, its pretty ridiculous to try hunting that original scumbag now. If we miss today, but get close, presumably, that scumbag will suicide and we're back to square one again.Kelly Chen wrote:Even just hypothetically, how could someone's play yesterday suggest that?charter wrote:Upon going over Shotty's posts today, I got a bad feeling that he might be an infected (his play yesterday leads me to believe he was infected last night)
@BM can you say anything concrete about how unbalanced three scum would be? I've noted how swingy two scum would be.
Then why would he bother voting for Fallen?Kelly wrote:If we have 1 scumOk, serious times now. The way i see it, our best chance to win is to nail scum today. If we have 1 scum, we can potentially win it. If we have 2 scum, the odds are still favouring scum to win (which imo, makes the setup greatly unbalanced).and a couple of effective test subjectswe could already have it in the bag. I don't think that's a likely scenario, just that it depends.
It seems you cleared veerus of being original scum just because he didn't show conviction in his fallen vote. But given his earlier posts, he didn't have room to, it wouldn't have made sense.
I think if you read the comments of people today, you'll see why it is NOT easier to find original scum. Frankly, it's a complete piss-in-the-dark.Kelly Chen wrote: I understand the philosophy behind finding the recruited scum over a (merely possible) original scum, but there has to be something to go on. If it's easier to find an original scum then let's get him I say.
Do you think Poptaj infectee is possible? Would you consider lynching him today?Kelly Chen wrote: Thinking about moving my vote but I still have to read Mokina's other games.
as opposed to clever.Battle Mage wrote:mediocre, as opposed to?Kelly Chen wrote:I just reread Rally and charter. I'll keep my Rally thoughts to myself for the moment, but I was surprised to feel that there is not much keeping charter from beingoriginalscum. Given his D1 suspicions I now tend to think he would've been a mediocre recruitment choice.
Has nothing to do with quantity of suspects. If we find scum, we lynch scum. That's what I'm saying.In case you missed it, we aren't hunting "original" scum, on the grounds that we dont know they exist, and frankly, we have far less to go on. Between you, you guys have already named more suspects to be scum on Day 1, than we have as being infected scum, so why are you sending us down the difficult, and potentially pointless, route?
No. Rally asked charter and possibly you. It's not useful for me to give answers for you.I strongly suggest you give us feedback on your RV read.
So you want us to voluntarily start at square one.Battle Mage wrote:I'm leaning more 50-50 now between 3 and 2 scum starting. But, given the possibility of there only being 2, and the fact that we have absolutely no consensus on who could have been scum on Day 1, its pretty ridiculous to try hunting that original scumbag now. If we miss today, but get close, presumably, that scumbag will suicide and we're back to square one again.Kelly Chen wrote:Even just hypothetically, how could someone's play yesterday suggest that?charter wrote:Upon going over Shotty's posts today, I got a bad feeling that he might be an infected (his play yesterday leads me to believe he was infected last night)
@BM can you say anything concrete about how unbalanced three scum would be? I've noted how swingy two scum would be.
That I don't know, but the fact that he did hardly rules out that he's scum.Then why would he bother voting for Fallen?Kelly wrote:If we have 1 scumOk, serious times now. The way i see it, our best chance to win is to nail scum today. If we have 1 scum, we can potentially win it. If we have 2 scum, the odds are still favouring scum to win (which imo, makes the setup greatly unbalanced).and a couple of effective test subjectswe could already have it in the bag. I don't think that's a likely scenario, just that it depends.
It seems you cleared veerus of being original scum just because he didn't show conviction in his fallen vote. But given his earlier posts, he didn't have room to, it wouldn't have made sense.
No, sorry, I don't see why it would be harder to find original scum, assuming there is one.I think if you read the comments of people today, you'll see why it is NOT easier to find original scum. Frankly, it's a complete piss-in-the-dark.Kelly Chen wrote:I understand the philosophy behind finding the recruited scum over a (merely possible) original scum, but there has to be something to go on. If it's easier to find an original scum then let's get him I say.
I think it is possible (though it would've been a poor recruitment). I'll lynch scum if I see scum.Do you think Poptaj infectee is possible? Would you consider lynching him today?Kelly Chen wrote:Thinking about moving my vote but I still have to read Mokina's other games.
Yeah, I just checked the infected role PM and apparently they can talk all the time, so if malthusis's infection went through, he'd know if he was infected. I thought it worked like most cults where they can't talk with the new recruit until the next night, so my theory isn't true (though Shotty is still not posting at all today).The Replacement wrote:At the beginning of your post you say you think it likely he was infected last night based upon his day one play. Then you go on to say that today that it looks like he was concerned with whether or not Malthusis' infetion was successful, which means he had to have begun the game as an infected for that to be the case. It can't be both.charter wrote:Upon going over Shotty's posts today, I got a bad feeling that he might be an infected (his play yesterday leads me to believe he was infected last night). He's posted a few times today, but largely said nothing of much importance.
Also, this post seems like he panicked that malthusis's infection didn't go throughThis post is probably a little bit of a stretch, but his play today has been just trying to scrape by.Shotty to the Body wrote:Guard got infected? Guard didn't want to shoot someone when they weren't sure of alignment? How does the phrasing of the mod's post imply no security guard? It's pretty clear that Malthisus died of infection according to the death post, I'm pretty sure somewhere in D1 we talked about the guard not randomly shooting people if he wasn't sure.
What about my post was rolefishing at all?Shotty to the Body wrote:Yeah I was about to point that out, that doesn't make sense Charter. Do you think I was infected last night or do you think I've been scum from the start? You can't have both and this smells like role-fishing to me.
Find it scummy today, but his stuff from yesterday wasn't very scummy.Kelly wrote:Even just hypothetically, how could someone's play yesterday suggest that?
Because your theory that veerus was scum with malthusis and fallen angel yesterday makes zero sense at all. You've tunneled on veerus ridiculously hard and really haven't even mentioned his lurking as reasons he's scum (which I think is more concrete than his NL plan). His voting for FA yesterday pretty much ensured FA would get lynched, when I'm pretty sure he could have voted for Kise and either got Kise lynched or a no lynch, both far superior to FA being lynched if veerus was scum.Rally Vincent wrote:Why?charter wrote:I could go for a RV lynch today perhaps.
I don't think that a Kise lynch would have been a realistic option; in fact, voting Kise yesterday would have made veerus more suspicious - let alone pursuing the NL. And I called veerus out on not doing anything to find scum, so I don't understand why all of you reduce me to voting veerus for his NL plan only. I said several times that it wasn't his NL alone; what more do you expect?charter wrote: Because your theory that veerus was scum with malthusis and fallen angel yesterday makes zero sense at all. You've tunneled on veerus ridiculously hard and really haven't even mentioned his lurking as reasons he's scum (which I think is more concrete than his NL plan). His voting for FA yesterday pretty much ensured FA would get lynched, when I'm pretty sure he could have voted for Kise and either got Kise lynched or a no lynch, both far superior to FA being lynched if veerus was scum.
that's weak.Kelly Chen wrote:as opposed to clever.Battle Mage wrote:mediocre, as opposed to?Kelly Chen wrote:I just reread Rally and charter. I'll keep my Rally thoughts to myself for the moment, but I was surprised to feel that there is not much keeping charter from beingoriginalscum. Given his D1 suspicions I now tend to think he would've been a mediocre recruitment choice.
Has nothing to do with quantity of suspects. If we find scum, we lynch scum. That's what I'm saying.In case you missed it, we aren't hunting "original" scum, on the grounds that we dont know they exist, and frankly, we have far less to go on. Between you, you guys have already named more suspects to be scum on Day 1, than we have as being infected scum, so why are you sending us down the difficult, and potentially pointless, route?
I dont understand.Kelly Chen wrote:No. Rally asked charter and possibly you. It's not useful for me to give answers for you.I strongly suggest you give us feedback on your RV read.
Yeh id like to see the town get some sort of direction. And yes, i want us to start at square 1, because it means we have far less crap to wade through.Kelly Chen wrote:So you want us to voluntarily start at square one.Battle Mage wrote:I'm leaning more 50-50 now between 3 and 2 scum starting. But, given the possibility of there only being 2, and the fact that we have absolutely no consensus on who could have been scum on Day 1, its pretty ridiculous to try hunting that original scumbag now. If we miss today, but get close, presumably, that scumbag will suicide and we're back to square one again.Kelly Chen wrote:Even just hypothetically, how could someone's play yesterday suggest that?charter wrote:Upon going over Shotty's posts today, I got a bad feeling that he might be an infected (his play yesterday leads me to believe he was infected last night)
@BM can you say anything concrete about how unbalanced three scum would be? I've noted how swingy two scum would be.
I don't care about consensus right now. Most people aren't even posting. I am not even sure what I think myself at the moment. If we give it some time we might get some consensus (or change tracks completely)
Imo, it does, because it makes no sense. You're stretching.Kelly wrote:That I don't know, but the fact that he did hardly rules out that he's scum.Then why would he bother voting for Fallen?Kelly wrote:If we have 1 scumOk, serious times now. The way i see it, our best chance to win is to nail scum today. If we have 1 scum, we can potentially win it. If we have 2 scum, the odds are still favouring scum to win (which imo, makes the setup greatly unbalanced).and a couple of effective test subjectswe could already have it in the bag. I don't think that's a likely scenario, just that it depends.
It seems you cleared veerus of being original scum just because he didn't show conviction in his fallen vote. But given his earlier posts, he didn't have room to, it wouldn't have made sense.
What was the wagon on me about? I thought it was because i was under suspicion of being original scum.Kelly Chen wrote:No, sorry, I don't see why it would be harder to find original scum, assuming there is one.I think if you read the comments of people today, you'll see why it is NOT easier to find original scum. Frankly, it's a complete piss-in-the-dark.Kelly Chen wrote:I understand the philosophy behind finding the recruited scum over a (merely possible) original scum, but there has to be something to go on. If it's easier to find an original scum then let's get him I say.
That's the second time you've said that. Who are you trying to kid?Kelly Chen wrote:I think it is possible (though it would've been a poor recruitment). I'll lynch scum if I see scum.Do you think Poptaj infectee is possible? Would you consider lynching him today?Kelly Chen wrote:Thinking about moving my vote but I still have to read Mokina's other games.
Yesterday I was active for a while due to my plan, which today is completely invalid. And I haven't come up with another "clever" plan to tackle day 2. In a game like this with cults who could always communicate, sometimes it's better to observe. I've already said who I think was likely infected by malthusis. I am also starting to think that The Replacement might've been infected. Mokina was pretty townish in D1, but Replacement briefly waddled back and forth on BM before not saying much else. In one of his posts he also said that he'd been playing for several months, implying experience. If malthusis had an idea of who that person is, him infecting The Replacement would also fit with the "infect an experienced player" theory.Shotty to the Body wrote:I understand where you're coming from with the original scum theory, but what makes you so sure he didn't get infected? Yesterday he was fairly active and came up with a plan that he thought was helpful to town and commented on most everything. Today he's done nada. Thoughts?