Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[SerialClergyman]

I don't like

Hmmmm. Why would Vermillion kill roflcopter?

It reads as false to me. Plus - it's not even insightful or a genuine question. There's a damn good reason Vermillion would kill rofl - he's been constantly encouraging us to try to hunt for Vermillon rather than Cerulean. Either that, or he was the one pushing all of the momentum against you, but of course that path if fraught with wifom.

I agree that the last neighbor is almost certainly scum. Their failure to claim and the definite truth of molestar's flip means that almost certainly they are scum. I'm going to re-read.

I think it's entirely possible that Lowell and Xyl are different scum, Lowell as neighbor and Xyl for a multitude of reasons. Of the two, I think probably Lowell is more likely to be Vermillion, because the power role would be an obvious power role balancer with Cerulean's already flipped roles.

My vote can change pending a re-read but initially I'm voting Lowell.

Vote Lowell

[Kmd4390]

Town

Achilles

SpyreX

dvdkid13

Kmd4390

fallen angel

Xylthixlm
Hayker
Wickedestjr

Maybe Not Town

BloodCovenent

Lowell

cateraction

curiouskarmadog
Faraday
Kublai Khan

reveillark

SerialClergyman

The list of people who I don't think are town is getting shorter. Let's try to lynch a scum today, mmm?

I agree with this list if you move Khan to town.

Vote Serial

[SpyreX]

Yes, Khan is town. Pretty sure.

I'm up in the air about SC now only because of the timing. The only way it really makes sense to me is if SC is scum with Xyl and that just isn't floatin right.

However, that aside, totally fine with Lowell.

Vote: Lowell

[Wickedestjr]

Hmmmm. Why would Vermillion kill roflcopter?

Why don't you tell us?

Town

Achilles

SpyreX

dvdkid13

Kmd4390

fallen angel

Xylthixlm
Hayker
Wickedestjr

Maybe Not Town

BloodCovenent

Lowell

cateraction

curiouskarmadog
Faraday
Kublai Khan

reveillark

SerialClergyman

The list of people who I don't think are town is getting shorter. Let's try to lynch a scum today, mmm?

How are Kmd and SpyreX in your town list?

I am surprised that rofl died last night. I still like my vote from yesterday;

Vote: Xyl

1: why?

2: also, I am surprised that both you and Hay are around today.

3: does the mole kill not surprise you? Why or why not?

1: For the reasons I said yesterday, and rofl's good case on him.

2: I am a little bit too, but there are a few reasons why we are still alive;

a.) Each scum group thought the other would kill one of us.

b.) Scum didn't see us as the biggest threats.

c.) They might be trying to frame us.


3: Nobody seemed to doubt that he was town.


I don't see why Lowell would breadcrumb neighbour if he wasn't planning on turning himself in, but I am still suspicious of him.

Vote Serial

Why? What was the point of this vote? Imo it doesn't have any point if it has no uses, and it isn't at all obvious what he has done that is scummy.

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #53=-

Lowell (4) - Xylthixlm, curiouskarmadog, SerialClergyman, SpyreX
Xylthixlm (1) - Wickedestjr
SerialClergyman (1) - Kmd4390

Not Voting (4) - Faraday, Hayker, Kublai Khan, Lowell

6 to lynch.

[Wickedestjr]

I think Lowell should claim before anybody else votes him. He's at L-2.

[Faraday]

Still reminding myself what happened yesterday.

I see molestargazer came up neighbor. This gives a pretty high probability that the last neighbor is scum. And there is no way you are going to convince me that this was not a breadcrumb.

vote: Lowell

I agree, with the fact that this breadcrumb makes Lowell very likely to be scum. Especially with the shooting of mole, who if he was a neighbour would maybe assume he was scum neighbour, I see no other reason to shoot mole if not for the chance of him being scum.

I think a Lowell claim is probably in order, as this breadcrumb + the hammer yday is quite damning.

The thing is if he's scum he's more than likely has to be cerulean (unless the kill was complete wifom, but cerulean are shooting for vermillion I would assume, anyway). But I think w/ 3/3 scumgroups we could be better getting rid of a scum-group now? ANyone with a better sense of large game balance know which is better?

As for a list:
Town:
The masons
KK

Leaning town:
SpyreX
CKD

Including myself that's 6 players.

I think our remaining scum are probably in Xyl, SC or KMD more by process of elimination than anything else.

CKD has seemed fairly solidly town throughout the game, and SpyreX has looked quite good since he's joined.

I don't see why anyone would be surprised that an obv town rofl died.

Xyl : Why are KMD and Spyrex more likely to be town than say, Kublai?

[Xylthixlm]

I have seen enough activity from KMD and SpyreX to make me fairly confident in my town read of them. I don't have a confident town read on Kublai, but based on his claim I think he's probably town.

Hayker's guess that Lowell is cerulean is bizarre. There are two dead cerulean and both of them were power roles. I would not expect a third power role in the same scumteam.

[Hayker]

Xyl, I never claimed anyone to be of any scum faction. I merely said that I think Lowell is scum. He was pointed to by our det, he has acted scummy, and even threw down a hammer quite rapidly yesterday. I don't particularily care what scum group people are a part of, only that they are mafia and must be killed/lynched.

As of now, my vote would have been Lowell(and still most lilely will be), but he is at L-2, and I'll allow a claim.

I'll also allow the explanation of why he said he was empking's alt.

[Xylthixlm]

Sorry. Previous post should be 'Faraday' not 'Hayker'. My apologies.

[Faraday]

The last neighbour being cerulean makes sense, imo due to the fact the ceruleans killed mole last night.

I don't see any other reason for them to hit mole over say, a mason if they're trying to hit someone they think is town. So obviously they were aiming for opposing scum? The only reason they'd target mole would be a mafia neighbour of their own surely?

Seems fairly sound logic to me.

[Faraday]

logic/reasoning meh you know what i mean :p

[Lowell]

Sorry, internet is worse than I'd hoped. It's possible I won't have time until Sunday, though I'll try to get caught up before then.

[Lowell]

Ok read this page only.

This is a busted wagon. How much credit does anyone get for starting a bandwagon on someone on vacation?

Therefore, I decline to claim.

When I come back Sunday I will sort this all out and pick out the scum.

[Faraday]

Eh, Bullshit. Claim ASAP. Stop stalling.

[SpyreX]

"Claiming is easy. Crafting a good fakeclaim takes a lifetime."

Or, in this case, until Sunday.

[Kmd4390]

Why? What was the point of this vote? Imo it doesn't have any point if it has no uses, and it isn't at all obvious what he has done that is scummy.

I think Serial is the most likely player in this game to be scum, so I voted him.

The last neighbour being cerulean makes sense, imo due to the fact the ceruleans killed mole last night.

I don't see any other reason for them to hit mole over say, a mason if they're trying to hit someone they think is town. So obviously they were aiming for opposing scum? The only reason they'd target mole would be a mafia neighbour of their own surely?

Seems fairly sound logic to me.

This makes no sense.

[Xylthixlm]

Given a choice of having the game stall until Sunday, or just lynching Lowell, I'd pick the second.

[Wickedestjr]

Maybe Not Town

Kublai Khan

I don't have a confident town read on Kublai, but based on his claim I think he's probably town.

Umm... Contradiction?

[Faraday]

This makes no sense.

If you mean that it makes no sense as in 'your english is awful, i can't understand this' then I don't think I can make it any clearer.
If you mean it makes no sense as to how I'm coming to this conclusion, then well , no you're wrong, it does make sense from my point of view.

And well, I guess I'm willing to wait and hear what he has to say, not overly fussed either way.

[Wickedestjr]

I don't really understand it either. I think that molestargazer was killed just because he was a threat.

Faraday, what makes you think that the scum neighbour would be more likely to kill molestargazer than anybody else?

[Wickedestjr]

Ceruleans Murdered;
elvis_knits
ZazieR
VP Baltar
molestargazer


Vermillions slaughtered;
Sotty7
Kise
ckool5000
roflcopter

Thought this might help. The Vermillions have been making strange kills. I don't know how good Sotty7 is, but Kise was not really one of the big threats to the scum after day 1. That seemed kind of like a random kill. Night 2 they killed ckool, who was pretty much confirmed innocent because everybody believed his claim. Then night 3 they kill roflcopter who actually was a threat to the scum imo. It's wierd how night 1 they kill somebody that isn't much of a threat, and then kill roflcopter, one of the threats, night 3. This makes me think that one of the Vermillions was somebody that got replaced during day 2 or day 3. The only person that did was SpyreX. This would make sense considering he has been acting scummy. I think he might be a better lynch candidate.

Unvote: Xyl

Vote: SpyreX

[Faraday]

I don't really understand it either. I think that molestargazer was killed just because he was a threat.

Faraday, what makes you think that the scum neighbour would be more likely to kill molestargazer than anybody else?

I don't see Mole, the way he was playing, as any sort of viable threat to the scum to warrant a kill. And if he was shooting for opposing scum maybe he assumed that mole was one.

Wicked: What do you think about Lowells...unwillingness to claim at the moment? does it make him more likely to be scum.

As for the kills, well the only

odd

one there is Kise, for me. Which certaintly seems sub-optimal. Not sure what to make of it, but I don't think your theory is probably kinda weak.

[Wickedestjr]

I am unsure about Lowell. If he was scum, then I would have no idea what group he would be in, because I don't think that either one makes that much sense. I think that the not wanting to claim is a null tell. It doesn't really change my read on Lowell which is scum/neutral.

Personally, I wouldn't want to kill off people that I thought were opposing scum, because once one of the scum groups is gone, the remaining scum group won't have anybody to go after.

molestargazer's play wasn't much of a threat, but scum may have seen him as a threat due to the number of people who believed he was innocent.

If many others think that my current accusation is weak then I'll change back, but I think it has a little bit of merit to it.

As for Lowell, I don't think him saying I am Mufasa's Alt is a breadcrumb.

[curiouskarmadog]

As for Lowell, I don't think him saying I am Mufasa's Alt is a breadcrumb.

noted, what do you think it meant then?


also Lowell's lack of claim is bullshit.