Open 159 - Lovers Mafia - Game over before 823

[Korts]

I

am

in the game, and you are.

[Korts]

You are fishing for support, that is.

[camn]

You are fishing for support, that is.

Oh really.

Can you point out a single instance where I solicited support for your wagon?
I don't think you can.
You will know when I am looking for support.. cuz I will say something like this:

Hey KMD, don't you think Kort's OMGUS quasi-attack is a little far-fetched?

THAT is me looking for support.

But MORE interesting is.. why are you avoiding commenting on KMD's impending death?
It seems like, if >I< were catching up, I would put some thougth into somebody at L-1.
Especially if >I< had helped to start the wagon.

Unless I already knew their alignment, that is.
Then I might spend more time defending against a silly pressure-vote.
Wouldn't want to derail a town-wagon. Or look scummy for piling on.
Gotta walk the line, right?

Or am I wrong?

But why not press the case, if you REALLY think he is scum?

Instead you simply say

KMD: ...Slight pro-town points there for not muddying up the thread.

But let your vote stand.
Is KMD really not about to die?
Your selected target is about to die.. and that is all you say about it?

Hmm.

[SpyreX]

Are you implying that if Haylen's scum, Incog is her partner? Please make clear statements instead of going with implicit assumptions.

I'm up to Haylen's "SpyreX" post and getting mentally exhausted. I'll have another post up later this evening.

If Haylen is scum do I think Incog has a higher chance to be her partner? Yes, for the reasons I stated and the fact he was the one that came to the defense. However, that could just be part of the games within games - ultimately haylen IS scummy whereas Incog could only be considered scummy by association.

Does that mean that her partner could be one of (Korts, Camn) as well? Yes.

The only ones that don't make ANY sense for Haylen's partner are myself and KMD. Which is the one reason why I'm iffy on this wagon some.

[Korts]

Good point, camn. Thanks for pointing out that Kmd is at L-1, I hadn't noticed.

unvote

And no, you never explicitly solicited for support, you just fished for it. Note the bigger font that your vote is in, and the additional point of "ketchup" with which you padded your case. It's not much at all, but to a quick skimmer, it would look like your case was bigger and carried more weight than it actually does.

[Korts]

Looking at your case again, I notice that one of your three actual points is doubt over expressed Meatworld issues, which cannot be proven right or wrong; one about percieved theory difference, which is not even close to being a scumtell; and one about me claiming that there had been a quote war between Kmd and Haylen--which you can't deny if you look at posts 62-64 for instance. So you didn't pad your case with a single point, you made a case up out of thin air. Your justification is nil, yet you still list four points--what is that if not fishing for attention?

[camn]

You only had 5 posts.. how much of a case can you expect!?

[Korts]

The fact that you don't have a case shouldn't mean that you make one out of non-alignment tells.

[camn]

why not?

[Korts]

Because if you're town, you should be scumhunting, and not fishing for support. Which brings me back to my original point.

[camn]

So, why aren't you scumhunting?

[Korts]

So, why aren't you scumhunting?

I am. Oh right, I forgot.

vote: camn

[Haylen]

Spyrex. Lurking. Posting elsewhere. Much as can manage.

[SpyreX]

You can't be for real, can you?

[Haylen]

Can. Am. Now I'm off again.

[SpyreX]

@Haylen:

So the fact I posted on this page directly continuing a train of thought means I'm:
Spyrex. Lurking. Posting elsewhere. Much as can manage.

Seriously I mean choo choo. (As an aside post 117 still misses you and wishes you would talk to it.)

@Camn:

Scum ARE easier targets than town, in my experience.
And Im not fishing for any wagon... I am encouraging you to get in the game!

If you believe the statement you made does that not mean that under your premise that KMD would be scum?

If so, why the hesitation there?

@Korts:

May I ask when? At this stage in the game, no one is obviously town. I am beginning to think you are scum who has decided the easiest people to create a mislynch with were myself, and possibly Spyrex, although I am unsure about his alignment. It is possible that you were bussing him by voting him...

To be quite honest I don't think Kmd's evidence to support his reads of Incog/camn/me are convincing, since I definitely have a different read of my own play as compared to my play in True Love. I'm getting the feeling he's using his gut as an excuse not to make real efforts at scumhunting. Not to mention me bein uncomfortable with him going for town reads instead of scum reads--process of elimination is a bad way to hunt when the people you're eliminating from your list of suspects are not confirmed town by any mechanic.

The devil is in the details.

You went: there can not be "confirmed" town and thus process of elimination is a poor process for finding scum.

Haylen went: Kmd is scum and is picking on SpyreX and I as easy mislynches.

Now, as I have nothing to do with Haylen you can see why the latter is an instant ding.

Further, you explained your stance whereas the other isn't. and everything else. And the overblown "defense" and now the calling me a lurker of all things.

Haylen is scum. Fo sho'

[Haylen]

Haylen: Not scum.
Haylen: V/LA
Haylen: Going now.

[Haylen]

Post 117 can wait til I feel better.

[Haylen]

You went: there can not be "confirmed" town and thus process of elimination is a poor process for finding scum.

Haylen went: Kmd is scum and is picking on SpyreX and I as easy mislynches.

Now, as I have nothing to do with Haylen you can see why the latter is an instant ding.

Further, you explained your stance whereas the other isn't. and everything else. And the overblown "defense" and now the calling me a lurker of all things.

Haylen is scum. Fo sho'

Wrong. Explained already.

Only scum are sure of alignments.

Go away now.

[SpyreX]

Instead of being snappy I may just take your advice until something happens.

That doesn't change the fact that the above has nothing to do with anything.

[camn]

I am.

1stly, You AREN'T... BUT
2nd, I personally don't consider that much of a tell. However.. apparently
3rd.. YOU DO, so you seem internally inconsistent to me. Which i DO consider a tell. but
4th.. You still avoid the topic of KMD. Funny.

If so, why the hesitation there?

Im in no hurry. This game is like a nice warm bath.
Plus, You and Korts can't logically both be correct, right?

Either I am going for the Easy target.. which is Korts.. (as Korts claims..)
Or KMD is the easy target (as you say).. and I am NOT going for him, which means I am NOT going for the easy target (as Korts claims..).. which means Korts is scum

Or they are BOTH easy, in which case you can hardly fault me for choosing one.

The truth is, Easiness doesn't factor into my decisions.

-Korts needed pressure.
-Korts responded to the pressure in an unsatisfactory way.

-KMD GOT pressure.
-Korts responded to KMD's pressure with an unsatisfactorily explained Unvote.

Hmm.

[SpyreX]

What I'm saying has nothing to do with anything but what you said.

The logic follows thusly:

Premise: Scum are easier lynches.
Fact: KMD was at L-1
Logical Conclusion: Camn, if not scum would think KMD IS scum because scum are easier lynches.

Thats not what happened thus my question.

[camn]

PS. This is a 6-person game, guys. . .and among friends!
There should be no "quick skimming".

[SpyreX]

Hah you hath been snipe'd and now your PS makes NO SENSE MUHAHAHA

But you are right and I'm gonna try and chillax because mad <3's to my peeps yo'

[camn]

Ah, well.

A) I contend scum are easier TARGETS, because they tend to act scummy! BUT, this is given all things being equal.
B) YOU contend KMD is an easy target.. not me.
C) KORTS thinks I am going after an easy target.. not you OR me!
D)

this game is so much better than a game I was recently killed in...

Thus?

Korts/Haylen scumteam FTW.

The real question here is:

Why did Korts Unvote KMD?