The Sopranos: A Deadly Game (GAME OVER!)

[elvis_knits]

vote cjmiller

Was that just a joke vote on raj? Joke votes on D2 are scummy, in addition to the other reasons people have said -- 1) You're voting for the guy with a lower lynch threshhold with no explained reason; and 2) You're voting for a guy who we know didn't make a kill last night (not that it means he can't be scum, but I agree he's of less concern now, especially without other reason for voting him).

[ZONEACE]

vote cjmiller

Was that just a joke vote on raj? Joke votes on D2 are scummy, in addition to the other reasons people have said -- 1) You're voting for the guy with a lower lynch threshhold with no explained reason; and 2) You're voting for a guy who we know didn't make a kill last night (not that it means he can't be scum, but I agree he's of less concern now, especially without other reason for voting him).

while i don't disagree with what you said how do we know raj didn't perform a kill last night? Did I miss something somewhere that indicated he didn't perform a kill?

[MafiaSSK]

vote cjmiller

Was that just a joke vote on raj? Joke votes on D2 are scummy, in addition to the other reasons people have said -- 1) You're voting for the guy with a lower lynch threshhold with no explained reason; and 2) You're voting for a guy who we know didn't make a kill last night (not that it means he can't be scum, but I agree he's of less concern now, especially without other reason for voting him).

while i don't disagree with what you said how do we know raj didn't perform a kill last night? Did I miss something somewhere that indicated he didn't perform a kill?

He earned money

[ZONEACE]

so? where does it say that you can't earn money from doing your regular night action?

[elvis_knits]

I thought the listed earnings had to do with the jobs that were offered last night. And you have to forego your night action (if any) to do a job. Unless I am misunderstanding the special mechanics and earnings stuff, which is possible.

So like a person who did a job last night could technically be a goon who didn't do a kill. So it doesn't clear them completely but in the absence of other reasons for suspecting a person, it sort of speaks in their favor, IMO.

[ZONEACE]

you can't accept a job AND do a regular night action, but where does it say that regular night actions don't earn moeny.

Are you suggesting that EVERYONE accepted a job last night, because if you are that's silly. but it seems you believe regular night actions can't earn money, which woul dmean that because there were multiple kills last night, multiple people did their regular night action, and would have received NO MONEY, making them have less money than raj, the lowest money earner.

[ZONEACE]

elvis, at the risk of exposing myself, I didn't accept a job last night, but i made more money than raj did.

[elvis_knits]

Vote: rajrhcpfreak

You aren't making enough to please the Family. You must be whacked.

So you're voting for a player who chose to make money instead of kill somebody last night?

ooh good point.... but as much as i would love to clear myself, we can't eliminate the three of us that took jobs because only one person in a mafia group has to make a kill at night. but i would assume that the three of us were "blocked" from making kills for night 1. its some info and since there is 3 killers on the lose right now i would assume that targeting the 3 people that did jobs would be the least of the town's concern.

raj seems to say he did take a job last night

[ZONEACE]

Raj suggest that because he made money last night, that he didn't kill someone. but if everyone who killed someone last night didn't make money THEY WOULD HAVE MADE LESS MONEY THAN RAJ and would have been announced as such.

[elvis_knits]

elvis, at the risk of exposing myself, I didn't accept a job last night, but i made more money than raj did.

Actually, you're right, and I did too, but I guess I was thinking that the posted earners had to do with jobs, and not just the regular earnings that I think we all get.

But now that I think about it, I'm sure that the posted earnings are like a total amount, whether you did a job or not. Right?

Regardless, raj said he did a job last night.

[ZONEACE]

Regardless, raj said he did a job last night.

so let's just take his word at you know, cause no one in a mafia game ever lies.

[elvis_knits]

Raj suggest that because he made money last night, that he didn't kill someone. but if everyone who killed someone last night didn't make money THEY WOULD HAVE MADE LESS MONEY THAN RAJ and would have been announced as such.

Hmmm, so how did raj take a job last night if he made so little money?

[ZONEACE]

well im guess the way the jobs work is some sort of dice roll, or some such randomness to determine success and earnings, so its possible he did that, or its possible he whacked someone that didn't ahve much money, so the money he took from the corpse didn't amount to much.

[elvis_knits]

I find the whole special mechanics confusing.

But I guess we shouldn't assume anything about night actions vs. jobs based on earnings?

[MafiaSSK]

I find the whole special mechanics confusing.

But I guess we shouldn't assume anything about night actions vs. jobs based on earnings?

I guess.

[ZONEACE]

I find the whole special mechanics confusing.

But I guess we shouldn't assume anything about night actions vs. jobs based on earnings?

I guess.

you guess? I've stated that you do not have to take a job to earn money.

[ZONEACE]

So, how bout some people actually participate in this game outside of me , EK and SSK?

Its been almost 24 hours since day 2 started and what, 1/3 of the players have posted?

[zwetschenwasser]

I did not do a job and made a heck of a lot more than raj.

[rajrhcpfreak]

fyi i took job 2.

and i am the only one (other than the other two) that can confirm making money. so stop attacking me.

[SSF352]

Some revelant info from the first page stated by the Mod:

Jobs - Each night, players can forego their night choice (whether or not they have one) and instead choose to undertake a job for the family. There will be three jobs available each night, with varying payouts. Profit from a job is split between all players who help to complete that job. The list of players who took a particular job is not public knowledge. Based on a player's position within the organization, they will have to kick up a portion of their profits to their superiors. Each night's available jobs will be posted along with the lynch scene. Jobs that are completed will be announced along with the next day's opening scene. A list of players who completed the jobs will *not* be posted.

Profit - In addition to profit from jobs, players also earn a base amount of money each night based on their position within the organization. After each night is resolved, players will be notified how much total profit they have made so far. The top two earners as well as the bottom earner will be listed publicly. The rest of the rankings will be unknown

So, each player can earn money simply based on their position in the family. Also, any money earned by a player will have a portion of it kicked up to his/her superiors. Therefore, no clear information on scuminess can be taken from the list of highest/lowest earners. All we know for sure is the three listed players have the abilites (or in raj's case, handicap) that have been listed. I've been trying to come up with an idea on how the information from the list can help us, but I cant come up with one.

Also,

Vote: cjmiller

. Between D1s odd voting without any sort of reasoning, and today's vote of raj simply because he's the lowest earner, I'm thinking you dont really care about who we lynch, as long as we lynch somebody.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oh good point SSF.
looks like everyone made money. and everyone is taking mine because of my position.
im still sticking with cjmiller going after an easy lynch.

[killa seven]

I find the whole special mechanics confusing.

But I guess we shouldn't assume anything about night actions vs. jobs based on earnings?

I guess.

you guess? I've stated that you do not have to take a job to earn money.

This is true.

[elvis_knits]

Noticing something weird...

Alko

was the first one to say that raj took a job last night:

Vote: rajrhcpfreak

You aren't making enough to please the Family. You must be whacked.

So you're voting for a player who chose to make money instead of kill somebody last night?

And then raj confirmed it, but not before alko said it.

So, this is probably partly where the misunderstanding came from about earnings and jobs. I remember I just sort of assumed this was right because I didn't actually understand the earnings thing yet. (Yesterday I had several PM's with the mod trying to figure out how earning work... and am not even sure I understand all the special mechanics yet.)

The way I see it, there are two possibilities:

1)Alko thought listed earnings were only from jobs (which is what I assumed after reading his post and raj's confirming the job). Or some other misunderstanding which led him to think that raj took a job?

or

2)Alko

KNEW

raj did a job last night. If it's this -- how did alko know? This option naturally makes me suspicious of them. I guess there are roles besides scum that could communicate at night, but scum is a definite possibility.

ALKO -- please explain why you thought/knew raj did a job last night?

[Sir Tornado]

vote cjmiller

FWIW, I took Job 1. I got roughly one fourth (not exactly one fourth though) of the money on offer.

Catching up.

[mneme]

FOS: raj

This is only not a vote because of the 8 vote threshold.

Frankly? I don't believe that he took a job yesterday, with such low earnings -- I think he's backfilling.

CJmiller's vote on raj was crappy, but there -is- something to see there.